Almost a year, no concrete advantages, i think nofap is placebo...

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by arkad1, Apr 16, 2019.

  1. arkad1

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    Onestly i think 100 days is too early to give an opinion, i probably would have said the same things at 100 days.
     
  2. Fenix Rising

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    My track record is 3x 90-120 days, 1x 134 days, 1x223 days and current "monk mode" streak, not counting many shorter "hard mode" periods I've done. It doesn't matter how long you abstain if you don't resolve what brought you to compulsive PMO in the first place. If you still have unresolved underlying psych issues it's just a matter of time when you'll break and return to your old ways. PMO is a blister on our wounds. We remove it by abstaining, so we can see the harm underneath and start proper treatment.
     
  3. Alex__13

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    In my personal opinion nofap not help in premature ejaculation problems ... more mastubation = desensitization=
    you need more and more time to orgasm. I have delayed ejaculation problem and pied or samphing else... I dont no.. I have ed more than 3 years after 10 years of pmo, but after 3 years without a pmo, p, just sex with my girlfriend and v*gra not change anything ... Maybe i go too far or have another problem ... Maybe hardflaccid,but my simptoms not 100% fit, or non bacterial prostata issue i dont no. I dont see the light in this tunel
     
  4. IR254

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    Unfortunately, I agree totally on this one. If you look at my last couple of posts on this forum you can see, that I try to work against this extremism. Three years ago when I first started my journey, this community wasn't like that. Back then it mostly consisted of guys, who had trouble getting it up because of their porn use. All they wanted was to get their boners back. With time, this community changed a lot and evolved into this (partly) cult-like organisation. I don't like this evolution at all, but what can we do. It is what it is.

    It's interesting to read about your experiences. You made your views about NoFap very clear. So, let me ask two questions for my understanding:

    1. When you talk about "NoFap", what exactly do you mean by the term? Depending on the person using it, it can have different meaning. Everything between "No porn" to "No porn, no masturbation, no orgasm" is possible as a potential meaning.

    2. Since I believe you're mainly talking about the (vague, smoky) effects "No masturbation", what are your views on "No porn" by itself. What are your experiences with it? Did you observe changes in your life?​
     
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  5. Jonny1992

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    Did you check your blood picture? Well abstaining from PMO is like abstaining from poison. But if your problems aren’t solved, going back to PMO will make it better
     
  6. arkad1

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    I can agree with that, that is not how nofap is normally sold with. The only thing, i'm ok with not using porn, but not with nofap, nofap is just to help ypu eliminating porn in the first place.
     
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  7. arkad1

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    With NoFap i intend not masturbating.

    I saw only the advantages i talked about in my first post, honestly i don't really know if porn is that harmful. The only problem i solved is my back pain, but that was just a mechanical problem due to using one arm really too much...The other advantage is that my skin cleared up a little, but a little, it's not like changed or anything like that...
     
  8. Fenix Rising

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    I've been studying this topic for many years and come to the conclusion that PMO is our drug of choice to numb unpleasant emotions we haven't learned how to cope with. We're mentally unstable and we found our escape in PMO. It could as easily be alcohol, heroin, gambling or some other substance abuse or compulsive addictive behavior. We must find out what is eating us inside and address it. Otherwise we'll just jump from one addiction to another. Dr. Patrick J. Carnes described this process very well in books In the Shadows of the Net: Breaking Free of Compulsive Online Sexual Behavior, Facing the Shadow and Don't call it love.
     
  9. arkad1

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    I thought about that. Now, at the moment, i just thing that masturbating sometimes is ok, not only ok, it's good.

    Masturbating and sex are needed thing in life, you can't eradicate them, i don't think it's ok.
     
  10. IR254

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    Okay, I also have my problems with the whole concept of "no masturbation". I think, that we should consider some things before we masturbate, but generally it's not a big deal.

    Interesting. Did you feel any kind of withdrawal?

    I am convinced, that porn is harmful. There is very solid, scientific evidence to believe so. It's not just based on anecdotal evidence. But since you stated you're familiar with yourbrainonporn.com, you probably know this.

    Also, we should keep in mind, that porn is not only harming the viewer. It is also harming the performers in too many cases. To believe that pornstars like what they do, is just an illusion. We only see the Top 1% and think "they seem happy with what they do".

    The problem is:
    a) For every top perfomer, there are hundreds if not thousand of women and girls, who get treated like shit, who are only in it to survive, who are hooked on drugs, who get raped on set and the result gets sold as "art" or "freedom of speech". That's just wrong.

    b)Even the top perfomers often act like they are "happy" and "love their profession so much", but then you hear about drug overdoses and suicides every now and then. Considering that there aren't so many "top performers", this fact is alarming.

    We should consider these facts as well, before we consume porn. Everytime we watch porn, we create a demand for filmed rape. I don't want to support that.
     
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  11. Fenix Rising

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    No one is talking about eradicating masturbation or sex. They're both part of human nature. We abstain only for a period to give our brains time to recover. That being said, not everyone can develop healthy MB pattern after long years or decades of compulsive P abuse linked with MB, not to be pulled back to binge PMO routine. I can tell from my personal experience that every time I try to implement MB after hardmode reboot period I end up back in PMO rabbit hole in no time. It's very similar to why former heroin addict can't be recreational drug users or cured alcoholics only social drinkers. Neuropathways established by years of repetitive dopamine inducing behavior never go away. They weaken and get eventually bypassed but never stop to exist.
     
  12. IR254

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    I agree with the rest of your post, but this statement is not particularly true. The last couple of days, I argued a lot with people, who believe that masturbation is inherently bad and must be avoided forever. You can find good examples for this kind of people in this thread as well.
     
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    The thing i can say, is that i have been in great moments in my life, spiritually and economically, where i still was hooked on porn and masturbating.

    Doing nofap actually didn't give me anything.

    Yes, i have been through unbelievable withdrawals...

    About the rape porn thing, i read a lot about that. The thing is, it's not exactly like that. It would be like saying that all made in china goods are produced by kids, or like saying that all muslims are terrorist...
    You see, extremist ideas like that spread around really fast in this comunity...
     
  14. IR254

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    I don't think it's comparable to your examples. I didn't say all porn was like that. But it simply can't be denied, that a good portion of the entire industry works like that. If you haven't already, read interviews with former porn performers. It gives great insight to the matter. Porn isn't sunshine and rainbows. It's mostly a nasty business, that seeks young and naive girls to use once and spit back into brothels and strip clubs. Most girls don't make it. I find it very naive to believe otherwise to be honest.
     
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    I heard all of those interview. The truth is, there is no data on that. One thing is saying that porn is a bad business, another thing is saying that al pornstars are raped and killed...
     
  16. IR254

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    ...and there will never be data, because there is noone to collect it. That doesn't mean it's not reality though. We can close our eyes and pretend everything is fine, or - what I find preferable - take the issue seriosly and act accordingly. If it is infact a problem, and I don't support it, I do something good I believe. If it's no problem and don't support it nevertheless, I don't hurt anybody. In that case, the performers will get their money anyway. So staying away from porn, is a win-win situation as far as I'm concerned.

    I never said that though. That would be an exaggeration par excellence.
     
  17. Tywin Lannister

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    Guys,
    There IS scientific evidence of porn being bad for brainhealth. fMRI scans, QEEG scans and SPECT scans show certain changes that cannot be denied.
    Even if one masturbates too much it is shown to lower endorphin and dopamin sensitivity in the brain ending up disrupting 100's of bodily and mental functions.

    The question is: what is too much? That's probably different for everyone.

    For me though, I have been so addicted that I probably have to stop masturbating for at least 5 years or longer, just as an alcoholic can never go back to social drinking once in a while.

    My neuro-psychiatrist confirmes this and he literally said I have to quit PMO because it can kill me. Going monkmode in the first year is my own idea, but he confirms that it can speed up my neurological recovery.

    I honestly don't think this is a cult or something. We're just a generation discovering new technologies and then encountering the negative consequences from it.

    For a lot of people Nofap and NoPMO or even total abstinence for a while is having lifechanging, or even lifesaving, effects.

    Thats said, having critique, discussions and arguments is the beauty of freedom. But please be careful of calling people extremist or a cult
     
  18. Jonny1992

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    It also can’t be a cult because in the beginning of human history Porn was never included. All the generation before us, had less anxiety and were less depressed and had less to fight with fatigue.

    And they were not so fussy about woman and had a high standards like we have today thanks to the porn woman. I still don’t have a Girlfriend, cause thanks to porn, I hate flat chested girls, it is like sleeping on den Bed without a pillow. Or like a alcohol free beer, it is not dope.

    And they had less ED, and they did had had ED of porn use. But from really health problems.
     
  19. Jonny1992

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    Honestly, they tried to find people who did not saw porn, to make a study how it will effect the brain. They did not found a single one, who did watch porn even only once.
     
  20. IR254

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    Fair enough. I have no problem, if people disagree with me. Your reasoning is sound and so I can respect it. We're all different after all and so there is no one-size-fits-all-kind of solution.

    That being said, there are people of this forum, whos reasoning is either not sound or not existent at all. That's what I have problems with. If we don't have good reasons why we do things, we're nothing more than a cult or a bunch of extremists in the end.

    That's really not a criterium for a cult at all.
     
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