Anti-NoFap Article

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Deleted Account, Nov 14, 2018.

  1. Yeah this idea was popularized in the Matrix, when Morpheus gives Neo the choice of taking the Blue Pill, and plugging back in to the Matrix, or taking the Red Pill, and staying unplugged. The context I'm talking about is that there's a philosophy in "the Manosphere" that calls itself "Red Pill" regarding the relation between the sexes. It has what I would call a "realist" rather than an "idealist" view of things. It is often called "misogynistic" because of its anti-idealism towards women. It's not for everybody. One of the primary authors associated with it is Rollo Tomassi (a pseudonym) and his Rational Male series
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  2. Ridley

    Ridley Fapstronaut

    I think I definitely used to be in this camp of thinking. I went through a pretty militant atheist phase in high school. I would hiss at religion and spirituality like they were pure evil. I still am an atheist today, but I think I've dropped the militant parts these days. I've accepted that people believe in various religious ideas, and I've gotten to a point where I can criticize religious beliefs without criticizing the people who adopt them.

    My notion of "spirituality" has expanded over the years as well. I used to think the word just meant "religion" for hippies or Buddhists, but now I understand it much more. For me, spirituality is about connecting with something bigger than yourself. The moments in which I feel really aware of my surroundings through all five senses without judgment or a constant barrage of thoughts are the moments that feel spiritual to me. I've also had a few experiences that I would describe as mystical. I believe they all have reasonable scientific explanations behind them (psychedelic drugs, meditation for a long time changing my brain state, near-death experience, etc.), but the fact that they can all be explained by analyzing my brain doesn't detract from the feeling of being a part of the entire universe.

    So, I guess you could call me an atheist who's had a few spiritual experiences. I believe it's a consistent position to be in. I don't believe in God, I don't accept any religious doctrine as truth, and I don't observe any religious traditions. I believe in the universe. I believe it is an amazingly complex thing, and there are some moments where I catch a glimpse of the bigger picture. That's what spirituality means to me.
  3. They dont ‘trigger’ me at all, I’m just aware of theories that don’t suit me
    Do you accept there are other ways to tackle addiction other than what you believe?
    Or do you beileve the way you’re saying is the best way to tackle it ?
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  4. DucksInARow

    DucksInARow Fapstronaut

    People can and do stop using PMO, drugs, drink, food etc in an infinite number of ways.

    Recognising the core wound of ego separation that led them to addiction in the first place requires the notion of something bigger than ones self that is not subject to change or fallibility - be that god, higher purpose etc. This requires an approach best typified (but not exclusive to) the 12 step program. Just my opinion.
  5. I think that’s the biggest problem I have with the 12 step approach, it narrows the views of the people that follow it, so that it gives the view that it’s the supreme way, when in actual fact it has one of the lowest success rates. I was a stepper for years, and I cringe at the things I used to say to people (not what you’re saying by the way)
    I agree totally with the approach you’re suggesting, and if people follow that way, friends etc, I’m all for it, but I’m not into when they say it’s the best or only way to recover
    But I also believe there are other ways, and have experienced them , and they can heal what you refer to as the “core”
    You can pm if you like for lots of book suggestions and theories, therapists etc
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  6. kropo82

    kropo82 Fapstronaut

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  7. You couldn't have read it properly or read it with an open mind. It's quite balanced. What were you expecting? To say that everyone who does NoFap is awesome and everyone against it is evil?
  8. I have read it a couple of times and I gotta say it is biased against NoFap, it got a minimal proportion in the article and then was dismissed at the end (saying that “in fact” P increases attraction to partner)
    And the majority of the article makes links to facism
    And minimal is said about benefits

    It’s a real shame this stuff is happening within Nofap
    Like I wonder how many trolls are within this group posting far right views to destroy it

    I view myself as far left,
    But I really dislike this new alt-liberalism that is actually nazi like,
    Always bringing up anti-Semitic anti-feminist anti-freedom just to shut down any opposing views
    What is even more upsetting is it’s always about money
  9. If you're suggesting I'm a troll, well I'm not. I've been a member of this site since 2014! Do you really think a troll would be around for so long? Do you really think a troll would have a journal?
  10. Hahaha, not at all, I have no idea why you would think that
    I’m saying that P sites are using the ‘Nofap is right wing misogynists’ thing to discredit Nofap
    So I was asking you to think about the fact that there is probably members on here that post right wing views to discredit Nofap
    Then people can publish articles quoting what they’ve said
    It only takes a handful of hateful posts quoted to make a whole community look bad
    And that is what I think is happening
  11. By the way I’m not saying right wing views are bad, I love political diversity
    I’m specifically talking about the things the anti Nofap articles are quoting
  12. kropo82

    kropo82 Fapstronaut

    That's a good reason to report any posts we see here that are hateful so that the mods can delete them.
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  13. That's good. I just don't think the article was as bad as other things written about NoFap in the media. I do share the frustration with the liberal media when they treat NoFap unfairly. Stories saying NoFap was started by a religious fanatic or that NoFap is anti-sex is simply wrong. I'm left-centred myself and it's annoying when they often categorise all people doing rebooting like they do. Having said that certain threads attacking liberals and liberal ideas don't help. I think such threads are worth being challenged.
  14. Pretty much the entire article was spent linking anti-porn views to misogyny, white supremacy and the usual extreme right wing crap. There wasn’t much in that article that could be viewed as positive for us.
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  15. anewversion

    anewversion Fapstronaut

    She is mostly saying that the Far Right seems to incorporate the ideas of NoFap or attract recruits from Fapstronauts who are disenfranchised with society.

    She is not really saying that the idea of NoFap is bad.

    Again she couldn't even if she wanted to as Science neither says fapping is good nor bad.

    But it's about the individual needs not the collective.
  16. Gotham Outlaw

    Gotham Outlaw Fapstronaut

    I read the article. Her reasoning is flimsy and her claims are insupportable. It looks like the charlatan who wrote this put no effort into researching nofap.
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  17. wake_up

    wake_up Fapstronaut

    I just saw that article and I can't comprehend this madness.

    So true !
    I'm conviced they believe the problem is just being a man. Your actions don't matter ...

    Thank's for dismembering the article.
    And after producing pure bs like this the old media complains, that their readership shrinks.
    They get what they deserve !

    Completely agree !

    I liked that nofap avoided political and religious biases, with only one goal: Self-improvement by getting rid of this PMO addiction. (<- How mad and mentally disturbed someone needs to be to write against that and even to promote porn ?!)

    But with what I see now, the problem is, that *they* basically force us to take sides. Even for people, who even don't want to engage in the discussion and just want their peace, and strive for self improvement - like here on nofap - will be targeted. And this enrages me.

    Now that the left is officially against nofap, I guess it's ok to quote and post more red pill content.
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  18. NothingMoreNothingLess

    NothingMoreNothingLess Fapstronaut

    Wasted 5 minutes of my life reading the article and examining the author's social media profile. She's Liberal, so no surprise there that she supports fapping and hates on whites whiles she herself is white. Oh, also saw her boyfriend's profile and damn is he a beta cuck. Check it out for yourselves, funniest shit I've seen this week. She was probably paid by the feminist proponents as well as the pornography industry to type up such a steaming pile of shit for the users of the internet to read. Not even going to waste my time explaining the things wrong in the article cause honestly it's just so embarrassing to even mention that "article" in the first place. NoFap is the best thing that's ever happened in my life and will support it until the day I die!
  19. Ridley

    Ridley Fapstronaut

    Careful... I don't think that's the takeaway here. I hardly think it's fair to say that "the left is officially against nofap". It's just one article, and I don't think that's enough to demonstrate some sort of pattern or generalization about an entire facet of the political spectrum. NoFap has been criticized by many different people, and not all of them are left-leaning (or even politically motivated at all). Most of the articles I've seen that criticize NoFap (and similar communities) have nothing to do with politics at all: they're usually either written by people with ties to the porn industry (and, thus, who have a vested interest in criticizing porn addiction support groups like NoFap) or by people who want to boost their own academic / journalistic careers by writing a flashy article about masturbation and porn. The article from the original post is the first one I can remember seeing that was politically motivated, and it's certainly the first one I've ever seen that took a feminist perspective on NoFap. Hell, there are lots of members of this community who are left-leaning. Be careful with your generalizations.

    You talk about being forced to "take sides" in your comment. Well, aren't you encouraging that type of behavior when you make sweeping generalizations about "the left"?

    I don't think the idea here is that it's now "okay to quote and post more red pill content". That's not what NoFap is about, and it never has been. As far as I can tell, NoFap doesn't really take a stance on gender-related issues. This community is about supporting people who are struggling with masturbation and porn regardless of what views you hold politically, socially, or philosophically. I'm not saying that discussing gender-related issues shouldn't be allowed in this community. I actually think it's quite important to debate issues surrounding the topic. So, if you're talking about posting "Red Pill" content here for the sake of discussing it and debating it, then I think that's productive and is just fine. However, I want us all to remember that, regardless of the political / social / philosophical views of some users on this forum, this place primarily exists to help people who are struggling with PMO. Just because one author from one article thinks this is a place where Incels, Red Pilled, MGTOW, and other related communities gather to let their misogynistic views fester like mold on bread doesn't mean that we have to adopt that identity, and it doesn't mean that everyone who is "on the left" believes what she does.
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