Anti-NoFap Article

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Deleted Account, Nov 14, 2018.

  1. farmerjones

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    A horrible presentation? Anyhow, here are 2 very extensive pages providing empirical support for each slide of The Great Porn Experiment. As YBOP notes, the Wilson TEDx talk was put together in 2011 - and whole lot of supporting research as since been published.
    As for the "science" behind porn's effects, it is far from questionable. See this page - https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/relevant-research-and-articles-about-the-studies/
    Take from the about page:
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    What is the current state of the research on Internet porn addiction and porn's effects?
    (See Questionable & Misleading Studies for highly publicized papers that are not what they claim to be.)
    1. An official diagnosis? The world's most widely used medical diagnostic manual, The International Classification of Diseases (ICD-11), contains a new diagnosis suitable for porn addiction: "Compulsive Sexual Behavior Disorder." (2018)
    2. Porn/sex addiction? This page lists 40 neuroscience-based studies (MRI, fMRI, EEG, neuropsychological, hormonal). They provide strong support for the addiction model as their findings mirror the neurological findings reported in substance addiction studies.
    3. The real experts' opinions on porn/sex addiction? This list contains 20 recent literature reviews & commentaries by some of the top neuroscientists in the world. All support the addiction model.
    4. Signs of addiction and escalation to more extreme material? Over 30 studies reporting findings consistent with escalation of porn use (tolerance), habituation to porn, and even withdrawal symptoms (all signs and symptoms associated with addiction).
    5. Debunking the unsupported talking point that "high sexual desire" explains away porn or sex addiction: At least 25 studies falsify the claim that sex & porn addicts "just have high sexual desire"
    6. Porn and sexual problems? This list contains 27 studies linking porn use/porn addiction to sexual problems and lower arousal to sexual stimuli. The first 5 studies in the list demonstrate causation, as participants eliminated porn use and healed chronic sexual dysfunctions.
    7. Porn’s effects on relationships? Almost 60 studies link porn use to less sexual and relationship satisfaction. (As far as we know all studies involving males have reported more porn use linked to poorer sexual or relationship satisfaction.)
    8. Porn use affecting emotional and mental health? Over 55 studies link porn use to poorer mental-emotional health & poorer cognitive outcomes.
    9. Porn use affecting beliefs, attitudes and behaviors? Check out individual studies - over 25 studies link porn use to "un-egalitarian attitudes" toward women and sexist views – or the summary from this 2016 meta-analysis: Media and Sexualization: State of Empirical Research, 1995–2015. Excerpt:
    The goal of this review was to synthesize empirical investigations testing effects of media sexualization. The focus was on research published in peer-reviewed, English-language journals between 1995 and 2015. A total of 109 publications that contained 135 studies were reviewed. The findings provided consistent evidence that both laboratory exposure and regular, everyday exposure to this content are directly associated with a range of consequences, including higher levels of body dissatisfaction, greater self-objectification, greater support of sexist beliefs and of adversarial sexual beliefs, and greater tolerance of sexual violence toward women. Moreover, experimental exposure to this content leads both women and men to have a diminished view of women’s competence, morality, and humanity.
    22 studies from 7 different countries were analyzed. Consumption was associated with sexual aggression in the United States and internationally, among males and females, and in cross-sectional and longitudinal studies. Associations were stronger for verbal than physical sexual aggression, although both were significant. The general pattern of results suggested that violent content may be an exacerbating factor.​
    Increased access to the Internet by adolescents has created unprecedented opportunities for sexual education, learning, and growth. Conversely, the risk of harm that is evident in the literature has led researchers to investigate adolescent exposure to online pornography in an effort to elucidate these relationships. Collectively, these studies suggest that youth who consume pornography may develop unrealistic sexual values and beliefs. Among the findings, higher levels of permissive sexual attitudes, sexual preoccupation, and earlier sexual experimentation have been correlated with more frequent consumption of pornography.... Nevertheless, consistent findings have emerged linking adolescent use of pornography that depicts violence with increased degrees of sexually aggressive behavior. The literature does indicate some correlation between adolescents’ use of pornography and self-concept. Girls report feeling physically inferior to the women they view in pornographic material, while boys fear they may not be as virile or able to perform as the men in these media. Adolescents also report that their use of pornography decreased as their self-confidence and social development increase. Additionally, research suggests that adolescents who use pornography, especially that found on the Internet, have lower degrees of social integration, increases in conduct problems, higher levels of delinquent behavior, higher incidence of depressive symptoms, and decreased emotional bonding with caregivers.

    Aren’t all studies correlative? Nope: Over 65 studies demonstrate internet use & porn use causing negative outcomes & symptoms, and brain changes.

    For a debunking of nearly every naysayer talking point and cherry-picked study see this extensive critique: Debunking "Why Are We Still So Worried About Watching Porn?", by Marty Klein, Taylor Kohut, and Nicole Prause (2018). How to recognize biased articles: They cite Prause et al., 2015 (falsely claiming it debunks porn addiction), while omitting over 3 dozen neurological studies supporting porn addiction.
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  2. Yeah this idea was popularized in the Matrix, when Morpheus gives Neo the choice of taking the Blue Pill, and plugging back in to the Matrix, or taking the Red Pill, and staying unplugged. The context I'm talking about is that there's a philosophy in "the Manosphere" that calls itself "Red Pill" regarding the relation between the sexes. It has what I would call a "realist" rather than an "idealist" view of things. It is often called "misogynistic" because of its anti-idealism towards women. It's not for everybody. One of the primary authors associated with it is Rollo Tomassi (a pseudonym) and his Rational Male series
     
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  3. Ridley

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    I think I definitely used to be in this camp of thinking. I went through a pretty militant atheist phase in high school. I would hiss at religion and spirituality like they were pure evil. I still am an atheist today, but I think I've dropped the militant parts these days. I've accepted that people believe in various religious ideas, and I've gotten to a point where I can criticize religious beliefs without criticizing the people who adopt them.

    My notion of "spirituality" has expanded over the years as well. I used to think the word just meant "religion" for hippies or Buddhists, but now I understand it much more. For me, spirituality is about connecting with something bigger than yourself. The moments in which I feel really aware of my surroundings through all five senses without judgment or a constant barrage of thoughts are the moments that feel spiritual to me. I've also had a few experiences that I would describe as mystical. I believe they all have reasonable scientific explanations behind them (psychedelic drugs, meditation for a long time changing my brain state, near-death experience, etc.), but the fact that they can all be explained by analyzing my brain doesn't detract from the feeling of being a part of the entire universe.

    So, I guess you could call me an atheist who's had a few spiritual experiences. I believe it's a consistent position to be in. I don't believe in God, I don't accept any religious doctrine as truth, and I don't observe any religious traditions. I believe in the universe. I believe it is an amazingly complex thing, and there are some moments where I catch a glimpse of the bigger picture. That's what spirituality means to me.
     
  4. They dont ‘trigger’ me at all, I’m just aware of theories that don’t suit me
    Do you accept there are other ways to tackle addiction other than what you believe?
    Or do you beileve the way you’re saying is the best way to tackle it ?
     
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  5. DucksInARow

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    People can and do stop using PMO, drugs, drink, food etc in an infinite number of ways.

    Recognising the core wound of ego separation that led them to addiction in the first place requires the notion of something bigger than ones self that is not subject to change or fallibility - be that god, higher purpose etc. This requires an approach best typified (but not exclusive to) the 12 step program. Just my opinion.
     
  6. I think that’s the biggest problem I have with the 12 step approach, it narrows the views of the people that follow it, so that it gives the view that it’s the supreme way, when in actual fact it has one of the lowest success rates. I was a stepper for years, and I cringe at the things I used to say to people (not what you’re saying by the way)
    I agree totally with the approach you’re suggesting, and if people follow that way, friends etc, I’m all for it, but I’m not into when they say it’s the best or only way to recover
    But I also believe there are other ways, and have experienced them , and they can heal what you refer to as the “core”
    You can pm if you like for lots of book suggestions and theories, therapists etc
     
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  7. kropo82

    kropo82 Fapstronaut

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  8. You couldn't have read it properly or read it with an open mind. It's quite balanced. What were you expecting? To say that everyone who does NoFap is awesome and everyone against it is evil?
     
  9. I have read it a couple of times and I gotta say it is biased against NoFap, it got a minimal proportion in the article and then was dismissed at the end (saying that “in fact” P increases attraction to partner)
    And the majority of the article makes links to facism
    And minimal is said about benefits

    It’s a real shame this stuff is happening within Nofap
    Like I wonder how many trolls are within this group posting far right views to destroy it

    I view myself as far left,
    But I really dislike this new alt-liberalism that is actually nazi like,
    Always bringing up anti-Semitic anti-feminist anti-freedom just to shut down any opposing views
    What is even more upsetting is it’s always about money
     
  10. If you're suggesting I'm a troll, well I'm not. I've been a member of this site since 2014! Do you really think a troll would be around for so long? Do you really think a troll would have a journal?
     
  11. Hahaha, not at all, I have no idea why you would think that
    I’m saying that P sites are using the ‘Nofap is right wing misogynists’ thing to discredit Nofap
    So I was asking you to think about the fact that there is probably members on here that post right wing views to discredit Nofap
    Then people can publish articles quoting what they’ve said
    It only takes a handful of hateful posts quoted to make a whole community look bad
    And that is what I think is happening
     
  12. By the way I’m not saying right wing views are bad, I love political diversity
    I’m specifically talking about the things the anti Nofap articles are quoting
     
  13. kropo82

    kropo82 Fapstronaut

    That's a good reason to report any posts we see here that are hateful so that the mods can delete them.
     
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  14. That's good. I just don't think the article was as bad as other things written about NoFap in the media. I do share the frustration with the liberal media when they treat NoFap unfairly. Stories saying NoFap was started by a religious fanatic or that NoFap is anti-sex is simply wrong. I'm left-centred myself and it's annoying when they often categorise all people doing rebooting like they do. Having said that certain threads attacking liberals and liberal ideas don't help. I think such threads are worth being challenged.
     
  15. Pretty much the entire article was spent linking anti-porn views to misogyny, white supremacy and the usual extreme right wing crap. There wasn’t much in that article that could be viewed as positive for us.
     
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  16. anewversion

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    She is mostly saying that the Far Right seems to incorporate the ideas of NoFap or attract recruits from Fapstronauts who are disenfranchised with society.

    She is not really saying that the idea of NoFap is bad.

    Again she couldn't even if she wanted to as Science neither says fapping is good nor bad.

    But it's about the individual needs not the collective.
     
  17. Gotham Outlaw

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    I read the article. Her reasoning is flimsy and her claims are insupportable. It looks like the charlatan who wrote this put no effort into researching nofap.
     
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  18. wake_up

    wake_up Fapstronaut

    I just saw that article and I can't comprehend this madness.

    So true !
    I'm conviced they believe the problem is just being a man. Your actions don't matter ...

    Thank's for dismembering the article.
    And after producing pure bs like this the old media complains, that their readership shrinks.
    They get what they deserve !


    Completely agree !

    I liked that nofap avoided political and religious biases, with only one goal: Self-improvement by getting rid of this PMO addiction. (<- How mad and mentally disturbed someone needs to be to write against that and even to promote porn ?!)

    But with what I see now, the problem is, that *they* basically force us to take sides. Even for people, who even don't want to engage in the discussion and just want their peace, and strive for self improvement - like here on nofap - will be targeted. And this enrages me.

    Now that the left is officially against nofap, I guess it's ok to quote and post more red pill content.
     
    Last edited: Dec 4, 2018
  19. NothingMoreNothingLess

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    Wasted 5 minutes of my life reading the article and examining the author's social media profile. She's Liberal, so no surprise there that she supports fapping and hates on whites whiles she herself is white. Oh, also saw her boyfriend's profile and damn is he a beta cuck. Check it out for yourselves, funniest shit I've seen this week. She was probably paid by the feminist proponents as well as the pornography industry to type up such a steaming pile of shit for the users of the internet to read. Not even going to waste my time explaining the things wrong in the article cause honestly it's just so embarrassing to even mention that "article" in the first place. NoFap is the best thing that's ever happened in my life and will support it until the day I die!
     

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