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Any Men have Orgasms without Touching

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by DannyCool, May 30, 2016.

  1. DannyCool

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    I am tired of people saying that orgasm is bad on NoFap. I think this is really unhealthy. I have done 214days hardmode plus another 90 plus day hardmode. During that time and now from time to time I will orgasm without touching. It doesnt happen every day but it happens from time to time without me planning it. It wont happen in public because my mind will naturally prevent that happening but when I release and relax I can ease the stress without loosing any semen. There is nothing wrong with that in my book. NoFap can be a lot about supression which maybe a way of doing things at the start but i want a revolution in NoFap where there is a kinder approach to rebooting. No wonder a lot of people cannot reboot when there is so much pressure.
     
  2. Christiano

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    Yes! That happened to me yesterday and I'm only 18 days into it. It was a mild orgasm is how I'll describe it and I didn't retain all semen. I pre-ejaculated just a little bit, but I did feel tingling all over my body and my head got really hot afterwards. I didn't touch myself or watch porn so it's pretty crazy and that's the 1st time that has ever happened to me. I made a thread about it earlier but no-one has offered any advice on this.
     
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  3. DannyCool

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    This is the same way I experience it and it is great to have someone else admit that this is happening. Yes i might loose a tiny and I mean tiny tiny bit of semen. Just a film around the top of my cock. Yes it is a mild orgasm as there is not so much grasping in it but if you really relax with it you will see it is actually very big without being so intense. There is often no fantasy at all or just a very subtle reminder of the beauty of women. :) The great thing of course is there is no relapse and energy improves as oppose to drops suddenly.
     
  4. vulture175

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    This is so weird. I've tried this many times but it's simply impossible to have orgasm with no hands involve
     
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  5. DannyCool

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    There are two things. You really need a bit of a streak going or have cut out binging and you don't try to have one they just happen.

    Semen retention is vital and cannot be mentioned enough.

    Ejaculating with no hands is not the approach. This is dangerous actually because it can give you an ability to relapse too easily. Don't practice this. I have heard of guys getting caught out with that one!
     
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  6. vulture175

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    yeah it sounds scary. If this happens in public, it will be ... very awkward
     
  7. DannyCool

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    What we are talking about here is an internal orgasm which boosts self-esteem. No edging at all. Most of the time when it happens actually there is no release at all of semen. Completely dry.

    The thing that caught me out with this at first was I went looking for beautiful women to have this internal orgasm. This I found did not work and leaded to relapse. If you are needy and go searching for them this will not work so you have to check your motivation before you do or go anywhere. "Am I going to get a hit off seeing women now?" if the answer is yes then you might have to rethink your plans unless you can do nothing about them. In that case looking away when you see a women or an advertisement, tv etc is very powerful. This is a useful excercise and promotes inner strength and will help achieve orgasms with a positive consequence. Each time you are tempted if you say no you are increasing your self esteem and your ability to resist urges. :)
     
  8. Christiano

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    Yes it honestly gave me energy instead of the typical drowsiness if I had masturbated. I know everyone's goals are different, but my goals are only to abstain from porn, masturbation, and retaining semen as well. My opinion on what happened to us is I think maybe after so much build up, the energy needs to go somewhere and hence why we have wet dreams. It's natural and some people don't like to admit it but they happen. I think maybe there's a way you can channel that energy back up to be distributed throughout the body when this happens. I also think you can control it if you meditate and really focus on your body reactions. Overall It made me feel great afterwards and continued my day with no loss. My goal now since I know they will get more intense with the longer I can abstain is to retain all semen... However look into retrogade ejaculation because that's the only thing I'm concerned about with this. Won't count it as a reset in my book as I haven't lost any benefits I've gained so far.
     
  9. DannyCool

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    If you distribute the sperm well the urges will be less. It seems that this requires daily meditation.
     
  10. Christiano

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    Definitely and I have been researching meditation already so I'm a step ahead! Will run some experiments and post a thread in the future over this.
     
  11. DannyCool

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    ya this is a key thing cause just like in meditation we neither reject a thought or indulge in it so in the same way we neither reject or indulge in the urges then the women is no longer a target and instead she becomes a women. Celibacy helps a lot with this. This is how to end the domination of the mind and urges and the suffering that goes with it. There is no number of days target but rather a cycle. Each time you say no you increase the trust.
     
  12. A few times in this 90 day reboot challenge of mine I came to an edge of O, or close to it, by accident. Totally hands free. Either by kegels, exercise, fantasizing or focusing on tension in my body. I stopped myself from going forward and actually having an O because the whole point of my particular challenge is to abstain from M and intentional O in general. And I do see this as MO. I mean you are still stimulating yourself / your genitals with intention to have an O. That's the definition of M - to stimulate one's own genitals with intention to cause pleasure. It doesn't have to be physical stimulation only for it to be considered M. So I prevented myself from actually getting till that point cos of those reasons, to not brake my rules I have committed to. And I would argue that if somebody's intention is to stay way from M then they should not attempt these hands free methods either, cos it's still M. If only staying away from physical M'ing is your goal and not from M in general then go on.

    I'm sure I could achieve O with any of those methods I mentioned above totally hands free. Whether it would be with ejaculation or not I have no clue. Some build ups felt the same as when I would ejaculate and some felt different. So I think I could do this without ejaculation. I am planning to try these hands free methods of MO once I finish my 90 days Hard Mode. After I got close I started to research about that stuff cos it was kinda new to me. I found some stuff about "thinking off", "coregams" and breath, visualization and energy Os as well as some methods how to achieve them. I'm kinda excited to try once I finish my 90 days.

    Apart from that I have had very little experience with hands free O's. I remember I used to MO as a kid by using combination of something similar to sit ups and focusing on tension of urgency in my body. Kind of like falling tension of urgency I learned how to replicate with just my mind. I remember them being very intense. Then once I discovered that hands work better and faster I stopped doing that method. I will have to revisit it soon to see if it still works for me as an adult. I also had hands free Os without touching myself, with ejaculation, when being super turned on from watching P. Back in a day when I was still kinda new to P.

    I did not only had P addiction, I also had M addiction before joining NoFap. So that's something I have to learn to manage. It's been good so far as I am on 90 day Hard Mode challenge. But once I stop I do not want to give up MO up for life. Maybe once I find a woman yes, but not otherwise. Maybe limit it somewhat tho. I do not want to deteriorate back in my old addictive habits of MO'ing multiple times a day until it hurts. So I am thinking creating a rule for myself that I could only MO without touching myself could keep my MO in healthy amounts. Cos I probably would not be able to achieve O forcefully that way. I'm thinking accumulated energy have to be pretty high for that to happen. Cos it never happened with me before normally, only when I went long time on Hard Mode I started to notice getting close from fantasies, visualization, breathing, etc. So that's like the big motivation for me to learn about how to O hands free - to menage my excessive MO addiction. If I draw that "you are allowed to MO as much as you want but no hands" boundary it should keep me somewhat safe.
     
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  13. DannyCool

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    This is the essential point here. Masturbation here implies stimulating the part of the body with fantasy or just indulging in orgasm. Now orgasm is similar to anger as it is a strong emotion that focuses on the self. It is therefore very important not to indulge in this but the question is should we block it and at what point or how do we stop the O happening? If we block it is that suppression? I do tend to more sway more on the line of indulging then blocking. All this requires a lot of practice and is not suitable for people who are addicted to porn.
     
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    You dont really have to learn it just happens for me but not with ejaculation. It is the sperm going up the back of the spine and distributing around the body. There is a way to practice sending the sperm back as oppose to out. Out is seeking happiness outside. In is knowing happiness is within.
     
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    Having an O handsfree in this thread does not mean ejaculating. That is important.
     
  16. The way I see it it's about intention. Whether one is intentionally creating this feeling aka M'ing or whether it happens on itself. I would not advocate suppressing something that comes on itself naturally. Neither would I advocate helping it to develop any further with fantasies and stuff, if it comes up naturally, if one's goal is not to M. At that point it turns from just letting things happen to wanting it to happen and stimulating yourself, which is M.

    I think "indulgence" is a strong word. At least from my point of view, maybe not yours. I would just call it "enjoyment". It's kinda like wet dreams in my opinion. That's what body naturally does. I don't think we should try to suppress them generally speaking. Or if we do then for right reasons, like feeling very drained for stuff. Not because they are wrong, which they are not. So when they happen I do enjoy them. But working to cause them intentionally as much as possible is a different thing in my opinion. I guess you could call it indulgence into wet dreams. But again, depends for one's goals and boundaries they draw for themselves.

    Maybe for you. Never happened for me naturally. Few times I got close it was because I did something. So I yet to learn if and how I can replicate the same things and results intentionally. Lucky you.

    I'm sure you mean energy? I'm pretty sure sperm can't physically go up the spine. You probably know this but just saying, it's confusing to call it sperm. Sexual energy, Chi, life force, Kundalini, nerve cell impulses, etc... not sperm.
    Ok, got ya. Never had hands free O without ejaculation. I jet to find out if I can. Still have a few days left in my 90 day challenge so I will find out soon enough. I would like to be able to make this happen cos it would be pretty awesome to enjoy Os without having to ejaculate, and still maintain semen for energetic/spiritual/hormonal reasons.
     
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    That is craving. Craving is essentially an escape from reality. When we are looking for satisfaction it is craving and this comes from the way the mind is set and the motivation. As I mentioned above if you go looking for a women you will not find one you will just find concepts.
     
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    When you feel the O coming on just sit back and relax and be very spacious. It happened to me this morning and for the first time ever I relaxed all my muscles aswell. Lie your arms behind your head and let it flow in the whole of your body naturally. It will have a natural start and natural end. For me usually about a minute or more but you can be suprised because it comes for more and you don't expect it. There is a fresh feeling afterwards and the tension is gone but the semen is not lost.
     
  19. Indeed. All tho I hope you are not implying that all craving and all escape from reality is a bad thing. Cos I don't believe it is, if we can keep it in healthy amounts. We can even use it for our advantage in life. Most of us in this forum are addicts and craving/escape from reality is our middle name. So I guess it's good to stay away from that kind of mindset at least for a while, until we get our life in control. But not necessarily a bad thing on itself, in my opinion.

    Is there any particular thing you do to get the O coming? Like focus, visualization or something to induce it? Or does this feeling comes exclusively on itself and all you have to do is just allow it? Also, are you doing some type of visualization to get till O? Like imagining the energy to flow up your spine or something? Or again, just spread, relax and let it do it's own thing?
     
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    when I have been retaining semen for a while there will be a tension there. up to a certain point I was using cold showers or just waiting through the urge. Now when the urge arrives there is no longer the need to push it away. I am friends with it and I can choose to mo or not to mo. Mo will probably be going into craving and escapism. Not to mo builds life force energy. Now when the urge arrives it will sometimes be naturally turned into an orgasm. This is the bodies way of saying I want to release. The orgasm is internal there is no semen lost and there is some relief of tension. In the book "The Taoist Secret of Love" it shows how to draw the semen from the testies to the base of the spine. You are meant to do this every day as a meditation. I have not done this yet.
     

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