Are dream decisions real decisions?

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by hopefullynotfappin, Nov 3, 2015.

Are dream decisions real decisions?

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  2. No

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  1. hopefullynotfappin

    hopefullynotfappin Fapstronaut

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    You're in a dream. You don't necessarily know it, but you do know that that half-dragon-half-rabbit is about to take you back to its nest to feed you to its baby elephants. So what do you do? I have no idea, but assuming the dream continues, you will make a decision, and you will believe that all of it is real; the half-dragon-half-rabbit and your decision about what to do. So what's the difference between a real-life decision and a dream decision?

    I would say impact, but dreams can often haunt us much more than those little, seemingly inconsequential decisions we make alone.

    This question comes about as speculation about the possible need for Confession (as a Catholic) after dreaming about choosing to PMO. There have been many dreams where I can recall actively deciding to PMO, so why were those decisions any less real in their manifestation of will than ones I would make in the real world?

    Since this website is partly of a scientific nature, I would also like to propel the discussion of dreams in relation to psychology and philosophy, especially with respect to their perceived utility.

    [Edit:] As a thought experiment, take, for example, Inception. The only affect that any of the actions taken in the dream sequences of the movie have are of a psychological nature. The main difference with Inception is the presence of other dreamers in a dream. It is not lucidity, as lucid dreaming is certainly possible. However, having others present in a dream along with you could have the same outcome as simply telling those other people about that dream. Their rate of decay about the memory of the dream would be roughly the same as yours, and they would even form their own opinion of the dream scenario, even as told from your perspective. So what is the difference between a dream decision and a real-life decision?
     
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  2. PureStrength

    PureStrength Fapstronaut

    Decisions in dreams are the same as in real life, if you have ever been lucid in a dream and think about doing something immoral while there, you most likely will not do it because the psychological implications are still there. When I lucid dream I cannot do anything bad because you still have a conscience, if I did do something in a dream like hurt someone for example it would haunt me as the same as it would in real life, even after I wake up. You (consciousness) still experience things the same in dreams as you do in real life.

    I myself have unaware dreams all the time about PMO, I wouldn't worry about it if you are not fully aware that you are in a dream at the time and do such things. This is because you are not in a full aware state when you are not lucid in a dream (a bit like been drunk), it's like watching a film of yourself and you have no control because all you can remember is the memory of the dream. Whereas when you are lucid you are fully aware of the situation and are in control of yourself. If you were lucid while making those decisions about PMO while in your dream, then yes it is exactly the same as in real life. However remember that having dreams about sex is natural, it's whether you want to be celibate for example for a period of time or whatever your personal goal is, is how PMO in a dream will affect your progress.

    If you want to change your dream patterns about PMO, I would recommend daily meditation and keeping a dream diary, also as hard as it sounds don't indulge in sexual thoughts throughout the day, this is the only way to avoid having wet dreams and sexual encounters while your body sleeps. This makes your mind and focus stronger and you will eventually be a lot more lucid while dreaming; making it more likely for you to be conscience of your decisions both in real life and while sleeping.
     
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  3. Kyoheix

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    A dream is not reality, by definition and most things on dreams, as you posted, don't even make sense. Just enjoy them for what they are, something away from reality and of course, don't embrace as your own the decisions your brain makes while dreaming.

    When I lucid dream, I use it as my personal playground and do everything I'm not allowed in real life. I have no problems killing people, having casual sex with everyone, engaging in terrorist activities, fighting authorities. I take advantage of not feeling any pain so I put myself in danger for any reason if that will give me a reward in whatever form.

    Don't take dreams to reality, it is just your mind wandering around.
     
  4. scote73

    scote73 Fapstronaut

    There's a clear difference between your conscious self making decisions, and your sub-conscious self making decisions. Dreams are basically sub-conscious desires seemingly coming to life. The same as we aren't our sub-conscious desires, dream decisions do not mean real-life decisions, as our minds are in a completely different state.
     
  5. swimbikerun

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    I don't know what being Catholic has anything to do with it, but if you are going to "punish" yourself for everything you think, you may not have much time left for everything else. I'm sure there have been times when you'd like to smack someone in the face. Or say something but don't. These thoughts are NORMAL. I live in a very ignorant part of the United States and have met people who are flagrantly racist. To my face. But I don't punch them or curse them out. Those are just fleeting thoughts that I have, nothing more.
     
  6. jatar

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    I guess the difference between real life and dream decisions comes down to how a person experiences dreams. Personally, when dreaming, I feel like my brain is not working as it should. Even for some time after waking I can feel that I'm not fully awake until after 45 minutes or so. So no, I don't think that the decisions I make in my dreams are reflective of the decisions I'd take in similar scenarios in real life.
     
  7. AdamantiteMind

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    You have to own the matrix, Neo!
     
  8. scote73

    scote73 Fapstronaut

    A few years ago I had a dream that I cheated on my GF...I remember being consciously aware in my dream that I was cheating, but I didn't stop myself (I didn't know that I was dreaming, but the decision to cheat felt authentic to me). I woke up pretty concerned. I asked everyone who would listen if what I had done in my dream would constitute as cheating.

    What I learned after gaining several perspectives is that, no, I didn't cheat on my girlfriend because it was a dream, and the ability to make decisions in dreams is significantly hampered by our self-conscious desires. All I had was a desire to break up with my GF, and given the same exact situation in real life, there's no way I could've possibly made the same decision to cheat on her.
     
  9. hopefullynotfappin

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    So it seems like the general consensus is that dream decisions, whether "real decisions" or not, are made under the influence of a dream, thus negating any level of seriousness they may have otherwise entailed. This seems roughly equatable to being under other judgment-impairing influences IRL, except that it's completely normal, often unavoidable, and has no direct impact on anyone else.
     

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