Are the 10 commandments equal?

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  1. Not sure about some of these answers...I spend many years in Catholic school. Pretty much ruined my respect for organized religion (no offense to those that engage in it, I get it, just doesn't work for me). From what I recall: 1-3 were more important than 4-10 (hence they have their own tablet in the Moses paintings), then there's the "Cardinal" sins which are more like adjectives: Pride, Greed, Lust, Envy, Laziness, Gluttony, Anger.
    And then there's mortal sin and venial sin, right? Venial sin being less serious than a mortal one which will send you to hell without repenting.
    And then "Blasphemy" which I thought was downright unforgiveable.


    Why else would there be "purgatory" for low level offenders (shoplifters) as opposed to "Hell" for the rapists and murderers, or according to other religions, levels of "Hell" for varying levels of deprevation?

    Edit> Looks like Grim had similar explanation of the levels of severity...
     
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  2. Exactly.

    And what I mean about "if you leave God out" this one time I will say what i said doesn't matter. You could take those words out and I wouldn't change a thing about what I said.
     
  3. Regarding the question of if each commandment is equal to the other, I think we must understand that the commandments are a body of laws. The first could be said to be the heart of the body while the rest are the other important pieces of the body. Upholding the heart helps with ensuring the rest of the parts are healthy and upheld as well.

    This is why Christ said which commandment is the greatest? And Nicodemus said “love the Lord with they whole heart, they whole soul, etc.” but then Christ said there was another important commandment and that was to “love thy neighbors as thy self”. This was because Christ/God was saying if you do not love those who are created in my image then you’re not practicing the first commandment and if your not practicing the first commandment then you’re also not loving your neighbor.
     
  4. jarvyjarvison

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    I already told you Catholics don't believe that but whatever
     
  5. Honestly, I wasn't even paying attention. Eheh.
     
  6. brilliantidiot

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    That is where we disagree. With the existence of a better, greater, all-powerful and all-good God, the universe is no longer its own standard.
     
  7. Some people make no distinction between the two.
     
  8. There is none. You make it how you make it. And it may sound initially disturbing and depressive. But it's not. It's actually very enlightening. But all this said, you shouldn't take on nihilism
     
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  9. No. You said it was a common sense thing versus a biblical thing. You happen to be a Catholic and share my opinion. But Catholics follow the bible, and therefore (after reading the responses) they believe commandments are equal.

    But I agree w you in a common sense type logic. That killing a man is worse than stealing a camdybar. Just seems like pretty logical.

    And keep in mind, I have a hunch that the authors of the bible intended the commandments to be in order from worse to least worse. But for Catholics, it's the bible's way or no way
     
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  10. You would think it's up to the harmed to decide whether or not what you did was righteous. This works for all person to person sins, not so much for the more abstract stuff like... idk I don't subscribe to the bible anymore.
     
  11. In any case, a murdered person cannot hold you accountable, but if they were trying to kill you anyway, depending on their state of mind, they might agree it fair that you defended yourself, that it is expected.
    Edit, and even though they cannot hold you accountable, you hold yourself accountable. Evil is when you don't recognize the value of what they thought about you committing the act, the value of human life. That is a sin.
     
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  12. brilliantidiot

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    I disagree because I believe in God, but unless you want to get into a long religious discussion I will not attempt to explain why.
     
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    No they don't think that. I told you sins are divided into venial and mortal sins and some sins are considered worse than others in Catholicism.

    http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p3s1c1a8.htm
     
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  14. What about what I said earlier?

    I dont want to just rehash exactly what I said before, but I feel like you're still not quite understanding what "equal" means in the Biblical use of the word in this situation. It doesn't mean they are the same and they have the same consequences and the same outcomes and the same effect on yourself and others. Clearly, murdering someone is more harmful to yourself and other than stealing a candy bar. But they are equal in the sense that they are both sins, and ALL sin separates you from God, no matter what type of sin it is.

    I think you're still thinking that the Bible says that murder is just as "bad" as stealing a candy bar, and that's not accurate. That's not what it means when it says they are equal. That's not the point the author was trying to get at in any of those verses that suggest that all sin is "equal." The point they're trying to make is that you still can't have a relationship with God without Jesus' sacrifice even if you haven't done any of the "super bad" sins, like murder or rape or something. They're just trying to say that God's standard is perfection, and any sin breaks that, so whether you are a murderer or someone who lusts constantly and watches porn all the time, you're both destined for an eternity without God unless you accept Jesus as your redeemer. This is an important distinction, lest people think they can earn salvation through their works by not committing any of the really big sins.

    At least that's my understanding of the Word.
     
  15. Lmao. Sometimes I wonder if you actually read the replies people have posted here! It’s also weird that the person who said he was raised Catholic doesn’t even know some of the basic theological positions Catholics hold. Yes, I’m sure you questioned the faith you were born into after much deliberation. LOL
     
  16. What're you even talking about
     
  17. No i actually got you. In that sense, they are equal and I comprehend that viewpoint. Like no matter the sin, it's still a sin and equally separate you from God. But other Catholics in this thread disagree. But I agree that your standpoint is the Catholic way of thinking according to the Bible.

    I think I need to further define "equal." Bc according to the bible, they all equally separate you from God. But in real life, some are worse than others. And that's really what I was getting at. Obviously murder is worse (in the later definition) than not honoring your mother and father. But I was asking if there was there any distinction in the morality sense, but people are giving mixed answers.

    I get what you're saying though 100%. My bad, I question things instead of just conforming to things I don't understand, which make people antsy in real life.

    Religion is really one of those topics, like politics, where it creates a division among different people bc everybody has strict beliefs. For that reason, I think I'm gonna stray away from it, like I did politics. But I think o get what your saying. Thanks for input
     
  18. I 100% believe in "God" and my statement still stands. They correspond w eachother
     
  19. @nicename you lost me when you started talking about the victims holding the "sinner" accountable tbh
     

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