Are these sharp ups and downs normal?

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Mr. Kruger, Aug 7, 2021.

  1. Cyberpunk3000

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    You just spoke my mind.

    But you still have so much life left in you. What's wasted is is wasted and its a learning curve. You don't need reincarnation. We jus rise above fr the ashes like a phoenix.
    Let's just make the best of what lies ahead of us.
     
  2. Negan©

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    I can relate so much.. I remember reading countless blogs and stuff on google when i was what, 13 years old, saying that ohh masturbation is safe and its good that you PMO and its a natural thing blah blah blah.. I wish i had never touched a phone my entire life.. Life couldve been so much more for me.. Im 21 and passed school 2 years ago.. Sometimes i think, how much i couldve achieved if i was an active "normal" Kid at school.. The young me, i mean the kid that i was before going on a wild PMO fantasy, had so much potential.. PMO pretty much made me a flake..it was 2 years ago when i passed school (barely).. When i realized that something was wrong.. Doctors have no answers and my family says, "trust the doctors".. But reading threads here, writtten by much older people than me, who are well into their 30s and 50s makes me think, ive still got a shot at life.. But the reboot is gonna be long as hell, last 9 years theres been hardly any day when i havent touched my D.. I just hope this thing works and im not actually suffering from some mystery ailment..
     
  3. Dave G 123

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    You are in an extremely good position - you know this stuff, and you're young enough to avoid the mistakes that people like me made - you can reach your full potential - or at least you've got a much better shot at it. The "mystery ailment" idea is a trap. I fell in to it for years, although I only discovered Nofap a few years ago.... Just focus on living a sober PMO-free life and I'm sure you'll be OK. Stay in touch with people on Nofap to let people know how you're doing!
     
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  4. Negan©

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    Thanks man.. This here is so inspiring.. Ive been living at my lowest in life lately.. I hope quitting PMO will give me life back.. Id like to ask, how old are you and what did you go through before you came to know what PMO was doing to you..
     
  5. Dave G 123

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    Ha...

    My story is long and woeful... and I'll try and keep it short.

    I'm 50 years old. Started PMO'ing at 11, by mid teens was fapping for maybe 2 hours every day with rarely a day off, and carried on like this until mid 30's; maybe 3 orgasms a day, not always with porn, but mostly with. I thought it was a "free ride", and never thought to question it. Struggled with loads of mystery health problems starting in early 20's, got diagnosed with chronic fatigue at 30. At 36 I finally realised PMO was related to my many mental and physical health problems, and tried to quit. I have since had enough long streaks, followed by binges, to know that there is an unmistakeable correlation between PMO and health problems.

    At this point, I managed 2 months off. I saw big improvements with all my problems, but got complacent, and in the end only managed to cut back. I lived my late 30's / 40's thinking that I could stop if I really needed to, but this turned out to be a delusion. Over this period I managed to cut back from maybe PMO'ing twice a week on average in late 30's to maybe twice a month by mid 40's, and thought that I had a "reasonable" compromise; I was making steady progress - and I did seem to be feeling better overall as the years went by. But about three years ago my general health started to get a lot worse - so bad I started to doubt if this was all down to PMO and more to do with stress. However, as far as I can see, it is all ultimately down to PMO, because it weakens your ability to live life effectively and deal with shit. Time will tell how things pan out, but at the moment my health is pretty bad in a lot of ways. I am committed to hardmode for as long as it takes, and never going back to PMO. I will let people know how it goes.

    Main costs:
    • Constant state of anxiety (except those rare moments of long streaks where I've started to heal, and then it's like floating in a cloud of valium....)
    • Near constant exhaustion
    • No lasting long term relationships
    • Job / career - under-performed for decades, currently unemployed due to exhaustion
    • Chronic insomnia, so bad I once tried to kill myself;
    • Loads of time and life wasted = not just time spent whacking off, but seeing doctors etc for things they couldn't identify or treat
    There are many more things, but these are the worst. Just writing this stuff down is pretty damn depressing, but all true. Please learn from my mistakes, and good luck.
     
  6. Negan©

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    Youre making me cry man.. Ive been so fatigued so tired so depressed during the last 9 years.. Till today i remember what a good bright lad i was in 7th grade before all this started.. The exhaustion the fatigue makes me question, "can PMO do such deranged things to a man..".. I tried to kill myself too, just 3 months ago...people say theyre underperforming, that they cant work properly.. Im like at least you have a job.. At least youre able to do something.. In my current state im literally finding it difficult to solve simple arithmetic question.. Like my brain is always in a slumber mode.. Standig and sitting also seem like arduous tasks..rage spells, melancholy spells,deppression spells..sometimes the degree of all this going on with me is so severe i ask myself, even now, is this all really because of PMO.. I begged god to show me some way, to help me, to give me a single clue and when that didnt help, i gave up on him...the exhaustion is just downright killing me.. I wonder what wouldve become of me, would i be even alive if i didnt have my parents to provide for me...quitting PMO is my last chance at survival.. If this doesnt work.. Im quitting it ALL..
    THANKS FOR SHARING MAN.. i was able to relate on a very high level..
     
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  7. Nabson

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    Eh mek faut pas lâcher oubli le porno concentre toi sur autre choisi c le combat de ta vie on est pas des merdes lâche rie
     
  8. At my age I'm still under parents roof. I can't do shit at this moment. It's like my brain take away certain abilities to perform even simplest task. I was working but I had to quit due severe PAWS and Sexual Exhaustion.
    Briefly, I have 11 years between pmo and nofap. So I would say, be patient and take it one day at a time.
     
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  9. bro its all related to PMO 100%. I already experienced the hell and experienced the freedom. Dont listen to any doctors. Trust your own body. Almost all of your health problems are because of pmo i can guarantee that. You can get back to normal, but it will take a LONG time, im talking years realistically. Society is fked up for promoting pmo as healthy when it causes the gravest of health consequences. Old literature before the sexual revolution warned adamantly about the consequences of masturbation, calling it solitary vice and self abuse.

    Its not normal to be experiencing anything close to what you described. What IS normal is feeling like you were when you were a kid: pure , bright, enthusiastic, full of energy, and balanced and healthy.

    Never be in doubt. The key to freedom and health lies in the control of sexual energy.

    Thank you @Mr. Kruger @Dave G 123 for sharing your experiences. Luckily I figured it out relatively early and had several long streaks starting at age 18, although like both of you im still sometimes kicking myself for the wasted crucial time during my developmental years. PMO takes away any man's chance of shining and being the best version of himself.

    I was actually a star athlete, well loved and admired, and I wanted to become a pro tennis player. Before PMO i was actually top 20 in the USA. But of course I desolved into an average, inferior player after pmo. I had very bright potential, like you guys, like most young men. But this crippling vice pervades almost every single man, and is the reason for the degeneration, health problems, and weakness of men today
     

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  10. Nabson

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    C est exactement ça merci bro
     
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  11. MrGreen875

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    @goodnice 2.0
    That's an accurate assessment of what porn does to men (weakens them). It is all intentional and the main target is western men. We can see the results across the west by the slow motion destruction of our society,culture, art, history, rights etc. Western males have become so weak and at the root of it is porn. I believe the number of men addicted to porn who don't even know it is much higher than we think it is. The leftist hierarchy and. Feminists know this hence why any attempt to curb porn the past 50 years has been met with hysterical shrieking. .
     
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  12. Mr. Kruger

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    That's why it's so obvious to me that there's an agenda at play. Porn exploits women more than any other type of media does, but feminists seem to be in favour of it for some reason.
     
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  13. I've read somewhere that women got more money for a P scene than a man. There s a reason why a lot of women shoot porn. If a woman can prostitute themselves for $100+ per hour, might as well do xxx to get 1000's per hour.
     
  14. Mr. Kruger

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    That still doesn't explain why feminists are in favour of porn when it's one of the worst types of female exploitation. Then again, maybe they see it as "empowering" because it enables women to make truckloads of money with very little effort.
     
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  15. Dave G 123

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    Give it another 10 years, when a lot of young women are suffering from the effects of long term porn addiction, and see what they say then. It'll happen, but most will choose to deny it.
     
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  16. Mr. Kruger

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    Yeah, there are already a lot of women on this forum who are recovering addicts. It will be even worse in another decade because of how easily accessible it is now for adolescents and teens with smartphones and streaming tube sites.
     
  17. It is indeed worse for teens and even before 25 because our brain is till developing. I've started massively at age 20. It wasn't until age 25 that I could see porn is fake. But it was already too late as I had to go through numerous flatline and PAWS. Last but not least Sexual Exhaustion....
     
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  18. amaze99

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    your Emotional numbness.
    Anhedonia. crued?
     
  19. amaze99

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    i have been in flatline for two years,i got it during pmo,i didnt care,keep pmo,now i realize ,and i have pied now,i think i can not be cured
     
  20. Robinthehood

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    So this can be probably illustrate why social anxiety can improve with resetting. I developed social anxiety after an event in my life, at about 11 I was caught masturbating by my dad and sister, and humiliated and it was never talked about afterwards. I felt I'd die with shame everyday for the next 20 years. Only the last few I have made peace with it and spoke to my sister about it (I'm 41 now). After the incident I started masturabting a lot more to deal with the stress, I can track the increase in social anxiety from that point until now. I'd have a hyper reaction to social situations, seeing them as dangerous situations, I'd implode with shame and embarrassment, feeling unworthy of speaking to anyone but my closest friends. The events becoming more frequent and intense when I was in my late teens after my father died. In to my 20s it developed in to regular pmo with high speed Internet, at least once a day, often 2 or 3. It feels like my social anxiety is pinned to my pmo use, when I started my first reset in 2019 the effect was obvious. After a couple of months I was 10x as confident in social situations. Such an irony, falling into the arms for safety from the very reality that I was creating with the pmo. One point to mention is I have a very active imagination, as a youngster I'd construct elaborate scenarios and vivid images in my mind as I masturbated, although not high speed Internet I'm sure it was comparable to dial up or magazines. And I learnt to edge for hours, even at 9 or 10 years old. I could hold on the point of orgasm for half an hour, my brain must have been swimming in dopamine and who knows what during that.
     
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