Are we moving backwards ?

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  1. Kman20

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    This will be a controversial thread but does anyone think as humanity not just a society we’re moving backwards ? We aren’t as open or expressive as we were before. We’re becoming more sensitive and fake. More timid and less expressive. Nowadays you can barely joke around with strangers or acquaintances because people get offended so easily. Do you think technology is moving us back ? Keeping is from getting better and being better humans.

    I recognize a lot of people are advancing too. Technology is advancing an we have been making great strives with inventions and ideas. But still do you think in some areas we are becoming less creative and less confident people because of technologies hold on us ?
     
  2. drac16

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    I think that technology is making us less patient. We want fulfillment now, so we get caught up on Instagram and get jealous of other people. We want sex now, so we view pornography. We want answers now, so we freak out if our friends take longer than 5 minutes to answer a text. Everything is now.

    On to your initial question, I would make the case that society is moving on from masculinity. Our boys are being taught that masculinity is toxic and that we should be in touch with a more feminine side. Femininity can be good to some extent, like being merciful and nurturing, but if it comes at the cost of masculinity, I would do away with it. Masculinity can be a good thing; things like honour, courage and selflessness. Being the protector of your family is part and parcel of what I believe God wants from men.

    Jesus Christ is, I would argue, the best model of what masculinity ought to be about. It's about being kind, but at the same time, not being a doormat. It's about being courageous, too.
     
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  3. Mhm, I do. I think some things are moving backwards like old times. Some of the clothing styles, the no fat shaming movement with the obese/large models (in the old times it was a sign of wealth to be large and not shameful about it), I don't really care or think its bad to shave or decide to not shave/if you want to shave or not but it's true that a while ago there were less people shaving which is what's happening now, anti-vaxxers are causing the spread of old diseases that we got rid of or that haven't been around for a while...
     
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  4. icantbelieveit

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    I think technology is really screwing up a lot of things and I shudder at the thought of VR...or even hooking up our brains to computers and living in a fake world basically. But actually in regards to your point about being open or expressive...no absolutely no. I totally disagree. Just a generation ago everyone was still calling everyone mister and miss <LAST NAME>, using honorifics, polite speech with strangers and trying to be "proper". At least the educated masses did it that way, of course I am sure the lower classes not as much...but even they are generally portrayed as such. Society was way more conservative and religious as well, just across the board...meaning people tended to follow certain social norms, even if they were just being fake. It's way better today than in the past, even with pink haired cry babies in universities...they are a minority that gets overblown online.
     
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  5. Yes. Absolutely.
     
  6. IGY

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    I don't understand what you mean. Can you explain a bit please?
     
  7. The people who don't believe in vaccinating their kids..their kids are getting diseases that could kill them and they're endangering others
     
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    OK, thanks. I didn't recognise the word, anti-vaxxers.
     
  9. You're welcome.
     
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    I definitely agree with our instant gratification culture and this is a direct resuly of our technology use. Look at movies and anime and shows now. Everything is about the immediate payoff, no one wants to wait anymore. It’s that patience that gives things it value, a lot of things in life require build up, ESPECIALLY entertainment. Take for example movies, we basically get the whole idea of the movie before it’s out through trailers and teasers and sneak peeks. Then when we see the movie it’s about that quick immediate satisfaction with cg actions scenes being the real driving force for people to go see the movie. It’s rare that movies nowadays have a good story because a good story requires patience and build up.

    We’re thinkig on too much of a small scale. Notice after reading the book the world and it’s opportunities feel expansive and endless. After mindlessly using the internet it feels small and tiring. A quick search for another quick fix.
     
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    We’re definitely going into that direction with the VR. We’re going to replace real life experience through vr so we can get the benefits of life without having to work for it. What people need to know is that life is a balance. It’s a give and take. That’s why P is so bad, it’s instant and highly stimulating but the result is incredibly dentrimental. Hard work pays off. That goes for life in general. If we live like that through a simulation we won’t be living at all. I wouldn’t call that living actually. We wouldn’t be human. Humans live.
     
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    I don't think that we are necessarily moving backwards but adapting, and at the cost of adapting, we suffer.
    Humans didn't have large-scale tooth-problems until grains were introduced into our nutrition. With that caries and tooth-decay started. But then we got dentists and fluor and tooth-brushes etc...

    Right now humanity is still in the middle of evolution. We get diabetes because our bodies really suck at processing a lot of sugar. Given a few thousand or tenthousand years, nobody would probably get diabetes anymore.
    The same goes for globalization which brings along migration. There probably won't be singular nations in a few thousand years at the current trend but a world government or something like that. Of course this changes meet resistance, it's only natural because people fear the unknown, things they have no control over.
    The only real regression I see taking place is that of traditional values, but depending on who you ask that may be a good or bad thing.
    Also there is a trend for censoring free-speech going on right now, which I am also not too fond of. Other than that, I don't think we are going backward.
     
  13. You can't say we're moving backwards if you don't actually know what backwards is. It seems many people hate history and/or don't know it. I think the reasons given in the OP for being backwards don't make sense.

    Before what? When were we more open and expressive? William Tyndale was burnt at the stake for his open expression. So do think all authors and artists will be killed by the state?

    So you think the Roman army was sensitive and fake?
     
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    Lol you’re going back way more than this thread is intended for. I meant as people and a society in modern times are we moving backwards. By backwards I mean are we not progressing more in a positive way as a human race. Progressing meaning where we aren’t being as human and improving as much anymore. If at all.

    The 90s was brimming with life and so were the 2000s. Now a lot of things are just rebooted or building on nostalgia.
     
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  15. Ra's Al Ghul

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    leftist tech Soy Boy agenda is clearly Regression.
     
  16. Toomuchh

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    " I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to study painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain. " - John Adams, 1780 Letter

    I think technology has solved a bunch of problems, created a bunch of new problems and shined the light on a lot of old problems. But that's what technology does regardless at what point in time we are at. This was true a hundred years ago, true now, and will be true 100 years after we're all dead. The one thing that hasn't changed is humanity. Compassion is still compassion, hate is still hate, love is still love, greed is still greed. These feelings don't change because of technology, people are still people.

    We are moving forward but sometimes we fall for traps that slow us down. Progress isn't fast, it's something that is achieved over lifetimes. Progress isn't linear, people will fuck up, but people get back up and move forward. Technology is developing at a rapid pace that humanity hasn't quite caught up with how to adapt or maybe it has, and it's just our generation that hasn't. Eventually we'll reach a point where it'll be normal for everyone to have a cellphone and to be always connected to the internet, social media etc. It's not a bad or good thing, it's just different, and because we are in the generation of that transition it gets difficult. We're not used to always having our life displayed to the world, we're not used to being compared to millions of other people on a daily basis and society doesn't have the experience on how we should proceed. This is all new to us and thats why problems come up, and it's up to us the people of today to go through this and find solutions so the people of tomorrow will move past these problems and tackle new problems. And the thing is, sometimes the solutions we come up with will be wrong, and that's ok cause that's still moving forward.

    I think you're stuck in a negative place and can only see the bad things right now. There's always good and bad in life and how we perceive the world has a lot to do with our mindset. If you get caught up with only the negative things, you'll overlook the positive things happening. I think you're falling into the "golden age" fallacy. You're only looking at the positive of yesterday and the negative of today.
     
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    It is often said that the internet, the science and technology will spread so fast that the majority of people won't be able to get this huge amount of information. Alvin Toffler predicted that over the next 40 years women are willling to take the major decisions, the muslim migration to Ocicdent will amplify, and more people are going to work from home instead of going to the office. In the next decades a large number of people are going to grow up their own vegetables, to produce their food.
     
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    Personally I don't think we are actually moving backwards. Let's imagine how is going to look the mankind in 2030, 2040,2050 or even 2100. Recent researches have shown up that untill 2050 we may have cars driven by themselves.
     
  19. Kman20

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    Very fair point friend. I may be looking at a loy of the negatives. However I do recognize and always have the positive aspects of technology. It’s just hard for me to juxtapose a picture of everyone nowadays on their phones with one of people back when they weren’t a thing really conversing with one another. It looks like we’re giving into our fears or comfort zones.
     
  20. Christian Fox

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    I don't think we're moving backward, I think we're moving forward - toward a collapse.
    Our civilisation is ripe.
    You know, when you look back over history, this is a repeated pattern. You have the Mediterranean of roughly 1500-1250 B.C., which was a quite fine place. It was 'globalised' (Mediterraneanised?), writing was a common skill, technology was quite advanced.
    Then enter drought, famine, the so-called Sea Peoples and down goes a civilisation the size of the then-known world into the mists of myth.
    It takes the Persians and Greeks about five hundred years to get back even just to writing. Then you get Ancient Greek civilisation, democratic Athens, Alexander the great, then the Romans, and then, 400 A.D., another collapse. The (Western) Roman Empire comes to an end, taken down by rampaging Goths and Huns, history once again dissolves into myth. Then we get the Middle Ages. As much as people like to bash on the church for keeping knowledge and science down (which it kind of did), they often forget that it was the church that provided every bit of science and knowledge that survived from antiquity. It was a stabilising factor, keeping everyone up, but not too high.
    Enter Luther, Columbus, Galilei, Gutenberg. Luther breaks the Catholic Church, Galilei reforms traditional astronomy (which was not based on teachings of the church, but on teachings of Aristotle, perpetuated by the church), Gutenberg's printing press provides the media to reach great masses of people, Columbus widens the world by lucky miscalculation.
    This results in a new rise in knowledge, technology, culture generally.
    But now the time is ripe. We've had our peak, it coincided (in my opinion) with WWII/ it's aftermath, and society is breaking down now. It's visible. The refugee crisis is part of it. Every total breakdown in history has correlated with an invasion/immigration wave.
    Now please don't take me wrong, I don't support these 'shut the border and throw 'em muslims out' people, I think collapse is imminent and they will come anyway, so we better do our best to make the fall as soft and un-bloody as possible. I mean, ain't it great that they come begging for help instead of rampaging through Europe, destroying this fake Roman Empire that calls itself European Union and knows nothing of its history and therefore not it's destiny?
     

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