Banning porn

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by StonePlacidity, Sep 18, 2020.

  1. she-dernatinus

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    thank you.
     
  2. Candun

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    If education can't succeed because the P industry is too powerful, how would a law banning P ever get passed? And how can we ignore that it would take all of 30 seconds to bypass such a law?
     
  3. she-dernatinus

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    A whole system change must happen. People would have to ditch liberalism as a doctrine and socio-politcal structure to adopt a new one. I would like to add more to it, but it's an extremely convoluted issue that will derail the thread. However, there is no other solution considering how powerful the porn and sex trade lobbies are.

    Videos depicting real rape crimes have been uploaded into those x-rated sites, one of them involving a murdered indian veterinary named priyanka reddy. Her assault was recorded and posted on popular porn sites, enabling them to financially profit from her content. This situation isn't isolated at all, since many other cases of assault ended up on porn sites. such crimes wouldn't be overlooked if the porn lobby wasn't indeed extremely powerful, that no laws would be able to scratch it. This is why I told you to look for fight the new drug, they have many articles exposing the darkest secrets of the porn and sex trade lobbies.
     
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  4. I agree that education is the most important. It should be a major part of sex-ed in school. When I went through school not too long ago there was very little in the sex-ed about having a healthy sex life at all. Masturbation was praised as a really great thing but nothing was said about that you can get addicted to sex and masturbation. It felt like everyone was afraid of talking about porn and the only things said about it were mildly positive. Meanwhile while talking about smoking, drugs and alcohol there was not a word about why people like to use these things, only about all the harms. One of the first times I saw porn was a class mate showing it to me during school time, at school. On the computers we got from school. Using the school's wifi. I think things might be better now but there must be a better way of educating and protecting children and young youth from porn until they are old enough to make a decision for themselves.

    I would find it interesting to see this in practice. I think there might be something to it. UK had plans to something like this, but it was stopped. I think it might be difficult to enforce to 100% in practice, but at least it can be a deterrent. I lived in Singapore for a few months. The laws there on pornography are a bit vague, it isn't illegal but it is seen as "antisocial" behaviour. I tried to enter one of the major porn sites while there and got blocked out. Getting a formal looking government page in my face stating how I what I tried to do is antisocial and against the culture of the country instead of going straight to the porn I wanted certainly made me rethink my actions. They haven't blocked all porn on the internet, and it is very easy to get around the blocking using VPN, but at least it sets a cultural norm. A bit similar to the tobacco packages in the EU with pictures of destroyed lungs and whatnot.
     
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  5. Candun

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    For that to happen, the majority of a society would need to drastically change their fundamental views. So even for a ban on P, education must succeed first.
     
  6. she-dernatinus

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    I don't deny it's a possible and great approach. But this education must be backed with a strategy and a new agenda to replace liberalism.

    Because in my view, as long as liberalism conditions every single aspect of society with all it's influence on medias, it's ties with legal and political authorities, as well as other powerful lobbies, it will be highly difficult to instigate changes with solely preaching the harms and immorality of porn. For now it's a good act to employ against the lobby, but it can't be the only way envisioned to fight it.
     
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  7. diaspar

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    Last time I "peeked" at porn, I decided to do a quick bit of research to help get me away from the computer. It went like this (possible triggers):



    I can think of a mainstream porn actress who died tragically. First she was violently beaten up in her own home by an intruder, who claimed he was just trying to rob her. Months later she died, supposedly from alcohol causing a brain aneurysm, but I think it's likely that the violence she endured triggered both the aneurysm and the alcohol abuse.. you get the idea.

    This happened about ten years ago or maybe a little more. Now, it's bad enough that her videos are still on these popular tube sites. But the sites talk about her as if she's still alive, and in crude ways of course! One site says, "Born: 1984". No mention of the year she died.

    As for sites which list information about porn actors, I looked at a couple and they either say she died of a brain aneurysm and neglect to mention the violence, or they mention the violence but state that it had nothing to do with her death.

    Then you have porn addicts writing crude comments about her, even though they're aware of what happened to her.

    Stay away from all these sites.
     
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  8. she-dernatinus

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    I totally relate to what you say, it's also important to remember such tragic stories. But the ones who left me baffled are the ones surrounding real abuse and rape cases, like one involving a kidnapped teenage girl in Connecticut. She fled from home due to family and psychological issues, and ended up manipulated and exploited by a 50-ish years old male. This guy raped her and uploaded her video to a popular porn site, and later started selling her body to other unscrupulous men who did the same. While always recording and uploading each time, and since the girl was drugged no one truly noticed her 'eagerness' had been totally fake and drug induced. There are far worse stories than that.

    The site where this horrendous abuse was posted can't pretend not being informed of the girl's kidnapping and rape. For the simple reason her photos were shared daily on facebook, and her parents did all their efforts looking for her. This story is similar to the one you shared, and a tangible proof of how porn uses sexuality and curiosity to spread misogyny and kill empathy. It also tries to make sexuality seem
    inseparable from power dynamic where one partner (usually male) has to be put above the other partner (mostly female, but the possibilities vary), and in those recent years it seeks to normalize incest and even bestiality. they have no intention of cogitating about the terrible consequences of their actions, they just want to create shock and novelty to increase their capital.
     
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  10. Paramount

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    You can't really compare the situation with pornography to the time of prohibition of alcohol in the USA, as alcohol has existed for thousands of years, unlike hard core pornography. There's also a lot of people, including myself, who actually remember the time when there was little to no hard core pornography available, and there are also a number of countries where pornography is banned at the moment as well, so it's not really the same situation. Up until the rise of the internet, most hard core pornography was difficult, if not impossible, to obtain in most countries, so easy access to hard core pornography is a very recent development. I wouldn't be in favour of a ban on all pornography, but I think access to hard core pornography, should be far more regulated, and it certainly shouldn't be in any way easily accessible, by anyone who is underage.
     
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  11. @SynapticMagic great post, well-reasoned, well-written.

    Not perfect though IMO:

    There are negative aspects to the WoD but imagine the alternative. Epidemics of drug use have brought entire nations to their knees in the past. I'm glad that in the current state you have to jump through some hoops before you can inject yourself with heroin for example. And that if you persist and succeed and then get caught, you'll get locked up. Your example will then serve as a reminder that there is a clear rational reason not to try it. The menace of addiction, gradual loss of savings, and potential cognitive decline might be too distant for many to take it seriously. Prison however, everyone understands.

    Yes. Let's stop kidding ourselves. Porn addiction is nowhere close in its raw power to actual hard drugs. Its insidiousness lies completely in easy access; we're always just a few clicks away from a relapse. So let's say the only way to get porn is on the black market and you just ran out of cash. Will you start robbing people on the street to get your next fix like a crackhead would do? Of course not.
     
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    If alcohol and cigarettes are legal, how come porn is going to be illegal? As Joker said, "We live in a society"
     
  14. TudoBem23

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    I am against watching porn, but making it illegal would be the worst thing in the world.
     
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    Banning may not help stop it. But it would allow those who choose to provide it anyway to face the crimes they are committing. Many of the men behind the scenes KNOW they are engaging in illegal activities and simply don't care. It also would make it harder for youth to engage. It would also make it harder for men to use while working. They would be a lot of benefits. As I said in a previous post, it isn't THE answer. It is just something that could help.

    The idea that it would be somehow made worse has no truth behind it. The fear of being held accountable for a crime DOES stop some people. It wouldn't stop everyone.

    The real answer is for us to stop providing the demand. That will take time and serious effort. NoFap is a part of that effort, and I am grateful for it.
     
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  17. g2stop

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    Maybe use porn to find those being trafficked and save them
     
  18. she-dernatinus

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    There is other way around it mate. Ban it and implement an educational system raising awarness about the harms of P. And then, you will have a real solution.

    As I said previously, no educational approach will succeed while the industry is legal and has strong ressources. They have more than a trick in their bag to compromise this plan and finally make it fail.
     
  19. Candun

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    Well, we already agreed that even for a ban, the process would have to be education > then banning. Not banning > then education. Because you would need majority support first.
     
  20. she-dernatinus

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    Yes. I guess so.
     

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