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Being a normal person again & leaving harmful Nofap ideology

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Candun, Dec 6, 2022.

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  1. Candun

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    TLDR: I feel like a normal non "addicted" person again after questioning my views on porn and nofap "recovery"

    Most of this is personal experience, but I think some may find it helpful. Feel free to disagree:

    So its been around 4 years (maybe longer now) since I first immersed myself in Nofap and the idea that I was addicted to porn (this was after 10 total years of use). This would slowly lead to my entire life being consumed by the idea that porn was this evil monster that I had to defeat, nothing else mattered and every positive and negative thing that happened to me had to somehow relate back to the fact that I was a porn "addict". Porn was the main villian in my life, and for years on end I was the valiant hero who kept trying and failing, but who would eventually emerge victorious (dramatic I know).

    Well after years of building up and destroying "streaks", which was only making the problem worse, I finally have the knowledge and mindset to actually move on from this period in my life that has long overstayed its welcome. I'm going to summarize the most important things I learned below in case anyone in a similar situation finds it helpful or intriguing:

    1. "Porn Addiction" does not exist in the way I thought it did, at the end of the day I watched porn and engaged in PMO because I wanted to at that time. "My brain" or "My addiction" didn't coherse me to do anything.

    2. Porn is not the magical fountain of pleasure that people on both sides of the fence say it is. It does not "release more dopamine than any other activity". It is a behavior, and how much it is enjoyed varies based on person, place, and time (like EVERY other behavior). This is a major thing that kept me feeling trapped. I was told that watching porn would give me this endless "dopamine flood" and it would be more pleasurable than anything else, but at the same time I was a relapsing failure if I watched it and an addict if I wanted it.

    3. There is nothing inherent in "problematic" porn that makes it superior. I used to believe that any porn that produced some negative feeling (shock, shame, disgust, etc) was inherently superior because it produced "more dopamine" and I would always at some level crave for this "superior" experience. This bullshit was especially toxic for me because it led to me being unable to see that I had a temporary preference for certain content that I could happily and effortlessly change.

    4. I did not need to feel like complete shit after every single PMO session. Viewing my CHOICE to watch porn/pmo as a "relapse" or "failure" and not giving myself permission to be happy unless i was on a "streak" is most of what made me feel like shit, not an inescapable consequence of porn.

    5. I do not "need" to quit porn or PMO due to being an "addict". It is a personal choice based on preference. I can PMO as little or as much as I want to and remain in control and happy. Now, this doesn't mean I HAVE to PMO, I can still choose to abstain if I like the perks of that (which I'm personally doing now).

    6. I do not need to "recover" from porn, I can get out and start enjoying my life now, instead of waiting God knows how many months/years to be "healed".

    7. I do not need to avoid anything, or take certain actions to "maintain" me not doing PMO. I may see it as more or less valuable at certain times and situations, but at the end of the day nothing "triggers" or "makes me" watch porn/pmo but me.

    This may sound like I'm justifying porn use, but my intention here is to try and help people who were in a similar situation as I was and have this constant looming fear of porn and relapse. Porn addiction has no power over you and does not need to rule your life forever, you absolutely can bring it back down to the realms of a shallow behavior that holds little meaning to you, similar to eating fast food or watching tv. Realizing this allowed me for the first time in a while to feel like a normal person without any "addiction" driving my life.

    Major credit to the Freedom Model for Addiction for helping me to arrive to these conclusions. I've never said this about anything before, but its literally a life changing book, and I'd recommend anyone struggling to read it.
     
  2. 3nigma

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    Sounds like you took things to an extreme. Yeah, you should probably avoid that.
     
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  3. FocusIsLove

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    Sounds like there is a cohesive logic to it. I don't know enough to say much. I'm skeptical, also having been doing this for years. Maybe it is better. I know that many addiction therapies that are popular have not had the best track record of success. Who's to say that the general approach here is any different?

    Either way, I hope that you find happiness in your life. May you see things as they truly are, so that your steps may be sure.
     
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  4. from2003

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    Feel you bro totally feel you and like the experience you have shared with us so we can improve ourself too, and yeah I also feel that I must not look myself as a pond addicted person because if we think so we will become what we think that's what I am saying you know so love you brother.
     
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  5. Candun

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    It's definitely extreme compared to what I believed even a year ago, but honestly where I was before was a never-ending hamster wheel and would have never gotten me to my true desire which was to simply move on and be free. So I'm fully willing to stand by being extreme.
     
  6. Candun

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    That is really my only goal with this post, to open people up who are in a similar spot I was to the idea that there doesn't have to be a spectre of addiction looming over you that you need to fear and hide from for months/years and you can just be "normal" again. I wish you all the best as well.
     
  7. I just like how you state this as if it's fact in an absolute sense when it's absolutely not.
     
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  8. Candun

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    I don't see why it can't be. Sure, not everyone will hold that view, that is just reality. But at the same time, not everyone WILL quit porn. That is not the same thing as being fundamentally unable to.

    If the goal for Nofap isn't to feel truly free of porn and move on with your life without it affecting you anymore, what is it?
     
  9. Oct162022

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    Are you married?
    I dont tend to see many people in these forums that are but i would be curious to know what your wife or even girlfriend think about your casual use of PMO. Many of my coworkers show each others images on on their phones and laugh about it and don't see anything wrong with it but they also admit that they would never tell their wife.
     
  10. Candun

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    Not currently in a relationship. Also, I'm not actually using porn or PMO at all at the moment. The difference is that I'm doing this purely because I want to try out the benefits of extended sexual abstinence, this time without feeling forced into it and having it drive my life out of fear.

    On the topic of PMO in a relationship, obviously everyone's will be different but I think it's ideal to save that part of yourself for the person you're committed to. So if I eventually do decide some form of causal PMO is for me, then I'd stop if I was in a committed relationship.
     
  11. Oct162022

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    I guess everyone is different. If you could just stop like that more power to you. Most have a harder time. Aside frome the addiction aspect of the whole thing i would argue that there are a number of reasons to avoid it. But i guess that's a moral decision you have to make.
     
  12. Probably to break free from shackles of porn and stop fapping. Just a thought.
     
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  13. I'm happy to read a thread like this.
    Those insights make much more sense than the usual narrative of the absolute "evil" (pmo) and "good" (nofap). like everything, its much more complex.

    I agree that you can quit right now, but an "addict" isn't addicted until he lapses again so if you want to prove that you aren't addicted anymore, you need that clean period.
     
  14. Pauley

    Pauley Fapstronaut

    Good that you posted this. I never believed in porn addiction as many do on this site. When it was introduced I've always seen it as an interesting theory. By now I can say that it is surely not an empty theory...

    Still many of the psychological points you make, were problematic for me too. The idea of streaks and so on.
     
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  15. Sounds like you are starting a new part of your journey … surely you’ll learn more about yourself along the way. It sounds like you’ve learned and grown a lot in the past 4 years.
    It’s absolutely possible to take NoFap too far … I’ve done it and will probably do it again.

    The whole goal for most is to find a normal life, not to waste life by watching hours of porn and jerking off every day, but also not to be a monk. It’s about balance. Right now you are correcting your course, but hopefully not over-correcting.

    Please come back in a year or so and let us know how it goes.
     
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  16. modernstore99

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    A consistent issue I see on NoFap is members who think getting streaks of any length is recovery, and this is very untrue. Streaks are on aspect of a reboot, which "clears" many neural pathways wired to porn. After a reboot is the rewire, where you replace your porn use with healthy sexual activities, such as flirting, dating, kissing, having sex, etc.

    If you are not doing those things you are not recovering. You have to be abstaining from porn AND simultaneously replacing it with healthy activities, either sexually stimulating or not depending on whether you are finished with your reboot or in progress.

    Rebooting and then relapsing continually is not recovery. You may be getting more addicted.
     
  17. OLLIE_100

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    I kind of agree with this as to many people put pressure of themselves to quit but at the same time you should just leave porn behind altogether as even watching it once in a while is lustful and you will be happier without it in the longterm.
     
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  18. Pauley

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    Think this is exactly against the point what the OP said. It never ends with NoFap. You can never win and your always an addict, when you need to do a million things not to be one. You wouldn't say an alcoholic is recovered once he has a long streak and started to drink coffee and orange juice and also goes to church once. He's no longer an alcoholic once he alcohol is not a problem in his life anymore and he can go long duration without it.
     
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  19. modernstore99

    modernstore99 Fapstronaut

    I think we're saying the same thing.

    Porn abuse is obviously bad, but redoing streaks while using NoFap and not seeing other significant changes in your life is not healthy either. If you do streaks but relapse every 30 or 90 days, you are pretty much still addicted, but just to binge behavior instead.

    You don't want to have to use NoFap forever. Use it to track your initial reboot and find motivation/support through the initial shittiness and the rewire period, but you need to build up other parts of your life that push you away from porn abuse.

    You shouldn't plan to use NoFap forever. Its methods are temporary tactics designed to initiate recovery, not continue indefinitely.
     
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  20. Candun

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    Agreed, but I was never comfortable with the idea that I'd need to fear even a single look at porn for the rest of my life and I was forced to take certain actions everyday to avoid "relapse". To me that's moving out of one mental prison and into another.
     

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