Beware of the "MO loophole"!

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Green Monstah, Feb 10, 2019.

  1. Green Monstah

    Green Monstah Fapstronaut

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    On my first attempt on NoFap, I made it 49 days hard-mode/monk-mode (No PMO, no MO, no “just one little peak”). It’s been over two years since I started NoFap. I must say, the first attempt was definitely the easiest to do. It took me a TED Talk video to scare the hell out of me and I declared that I was done. I PMO’d from my teens 2x/everyday (early morning AND late night) and I stopped just like that… for the next 49 days that is…

    Since that first relapse, it has been extremely difficult to get back to where I was. After a few more relapses, I decided that I needed to M to “take the edge of”. If I was to do this, the following criteria must be met: 1) Absolutely ZERO visuals and 2) it cannot be done more than once a month.

    For a while, this actually did help. To be honest, I do not regret doing this. I only regret what it turned into, but I will get to that in a moment. This did help me stay away from P for the longest time (I hit 100 days PMO-free twice). I don’t feel like once a month WITHOUT visuals wrecked my progress. I was gentle, I didn’t use a death grip, etc…

    Eventually, once a month became once every 2 weeks. Then once every 2 weeks became once a week. Then once a week became twice in the same weekend. These last two months, it has become 3-4 times a week. I even started using visuals (as in non-nudes, bikinis, lingerie, yoga pants...) I must say, BEWARE of P-subs everybody. Even if it isn’t P videos, photos of eye-candy, including non-nudes can really hurt your progress. If any of you have Instagram, I recommend being cautious of it. Even though they don’t have actual P or nudes, there are just so many triggers there. I am deleting my Instagram app from my phone. I don’t have a set timeline for when I will be back, probably never… but I digress… Using the p-subs opened a door to many unintended consequences. How foolish was I to MO with Instagram (especially accounts of “favorite” p-stars?!!) Of course, by doing this, it only made me want to look for “something more”…

    Anyways, I relapsed with PMO last night… so much for MO once a month and no visuals… these last two months my attitude was basically giving myself too many freebies, and I told myself that “tone it down bud!!!”, but I never did. What are the results? I flatlined hard (I know it’s both psychological and physical). My penis is sore and bruised. It shrank into a pathetic size, and it doesn’t wake up. It’s not any different than the old days of PMO 2x/day everyday… I had so many amazing improvements in my erections during NoFap. The “MO loophole” didn’t hurt at first when I was doing once a month WITHOUT visuals, but now it turned into something that killed a lot of progress.

    I am left with no option. It’s time I go hard-mode (aka monkmode). No more touch (except to wash/pee lol). No more “just one little peak”. No Instagram. I am going to change my counter from “Days without P” to “Days without P, M, O” because that is what really counts! Shooting for 30 days without PMO and without MO starts right now!

    I want to know what everyone else thinks. What have your experiences been with the “MO loophole”? There has been a lot of debate about whether a “once in a while” MO is okay. I have my ideas… All I know is that right now, hardmode is the only way that is right for me. If I was to be honest, I do believe the “MO loophole” helped at first. It did “ween” me off from the explicit/hardcore videos that I was binging on for 2x/everyday (early morning AND late night). It DID take the edge of. The problem is that I let it spiral way out of control and this is the result: flatline, low arousal level, weak and pathetic erections, and RELAPSE!

    Anyone who is going with the “MO loophole”, I beg of you… PLEASE PROCEED WITH CAUTION!
     
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  2. AEC Josh2415

    AEC Josh2415 Fapstronaut

    Yep. Porn will always creep back in. I sometimes wonder if it would have been okay...just MO and never P, from the beginning. My guess is that once P is involved, the two are forever linked.
     
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  3. abstinenceluxmea

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    I have this exact question, I wonder if some people could shed light on this, a way of just doing MO once in a while to let off the steam, has anyone had success with this approach in the long run?
     
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  4. bigboibez

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    I can relate to this, I remember before I was on like a 25 day streak and went on instagram and started browsing my favourite pstars, sure enough I got rock hard and pretty much exploded in like 5 seconds(that shit almost blinded me, all of my bedding had to be washed etc). It was quite funny at the time but obviously this isn't a normal reaction, it is unbelievably strong rush of dopamine to a bunch of more sensitive receptors. On my current nofap streak I have peaked at stills on insta maybe a few times and peeked at a site for like 2 seconds then stopped. I kinda got the shock factor but never got hard and snapped out of it real quick, and other than this I've been completely clean. I've gotten past 3 weeks now so I'm deleting instagram and making sure until I reboot properly not to look at these dumb degenerate hoes no more.
     
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  5. bigboibez

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    This won't work if you're addicted, it will just lead back to P.

    You've gotta realise here release is not at all NECESSARY for health. All that prostate cancer bs has been repeatedly debunked, and is actually more likely from continuous edging. You'll realise soon enough too that M isn't the problem, P is. It's the supernormal stimuli that causes this.

    Almost everyone these days PMOs rather than MOs, so once you get used to that, separating it will be difficult and sometimes harder than completely abstaining. You'll get wet dreams within 1-2 months of you stopping and this is your body's way of getting rid of excess. You don't need to blast your brain to oblivion and destroy your dick to relieve yourself. That's just your brain way of finding another way around abstinence and getting it's fix of PMO.
     
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  6. Green Monstah

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    This was during one of my PMO-free and MO-free streaks, and I believe I was in the Day 30 range. I was browsing a dating site, and there was some eye-candy (non-nudes, but still...) Out of nowhere, I didn't even touch, but yup, I made a "big mess"... From that day on, I felt that maybe I should just let some out just to relieve the pressure (in more ways than one). It did help for a little while, not gonna lie. I really am not entirely against the "MO loophole". I know (and I understand) why people are encouraging monkmode/hardmode. I don't want this to turn into an argument, but I do want to hear everyone's thoughts.

    I don't regret trying the "MO loophole", but I am disappointed how I lost control of it, and came so close to slipping back into my old ways of PMO 2x/day everyday...

    Thank you all for the responses! :)
     
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  7. Anonymous86

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    Hey may I ask, how did you flatline after relapsing to porn? Did you eventually recover? Are you still in flatline? If so, how long did it take you to recover?
     
  8. 4DCreator

    4DCreator Fapstronaut

    You can eventually masturbate if you feel like you achieved your dreams and little numbness won't make a difference in your life. But masturbation will probably put you off your pursuit of dreams especially when you are addicted as you are trying to get quick gratification and you are not able to maintain the gap for delayed gratification. Masturbation is not very healthy for people they are in addiction loophole and can't set the proper goals to follow and achieve something.

    If I was a millionaire and had a successful business and wanted to masturbate daily, I would. But probably I would not have such a need because my life would be "rich" ..don't mean financially but regarding activities and friends meetings.
     

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