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Binge masturbation problem

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Fenix Rising, Mar 20, 2019.

  1. Fenix Rising

    Fenix Rising Fapstronaut

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    I've read this article and I've been shocked how well it diagnose me. I've developed problems with binge MB in my early teenage years before encountering TV porn (web porn was only starting in the days of dial up modems). Porn worsened my compulsive behavior problem, but it didn't create it. Article basically says that porn is just additional stimulus to get us high and numb via binge MB, nothing more. Shit hits the fan big time once removed not only because of chronical withdrawal symptoms (sudden deficiency of acetylcholine, dopamine and serotonin), but also because psych issues (fear, anxiety, pain...) we were trying to escape from resurface during self enforces celibacy and hit us with vengeance. I'm in hard reboot for the fourth time now (only counting reboots lasting more than 3 months and the current attempt) and every single time I've tried to MB without P after reboot I was immediately teleported back into rabbit hole of binge MB and binge PMO soon after. That's why I concluded I simply have to give up on trying to establish healthy MB pattern and give up MB. Is giving up MB for life even possible or am I delusional trying to sustain MB celibacy?
    I'm really interested to read how many people has a problem with binge MB. Are we in minority or majority? Does anyone have similar observations and is binge MB even bigger problem than porn?

    "...binge masturbator is likely to be acting in relationship to specific stimuli that they are unable to tolerate. Likely responding to some strong internal, intolerable affect combined with an identifiable trigger or stimulus, this type of compulsive masturbator can lose hours or even days to the computer, videos, with or without drug use and masturbation. They can literally lock themselves up at home, or in motel rooms and disappear into their masturbatory escape.
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    Of particular interest in examining this form of self-harm behavior is to looking at the associated neuropathways. The arousal neuropathway is about pleasure and intensity. One of the most common methods of stimulating arousal pathways are high-risk sex, which masturbating to the point of injury would be included in. The numbing neuropathway produces a calming, relaxing, soothing, or sedative process. Masturbation creates an analgesic experience in the brain."


    Brain chemistry and side effects behind frequent MB:

    "Frequent masturbation and ejaculation stimulate acetylcholine/parasympathetic nervous functions excessively, resulting in the over production of sex hormones and neurotransmitters such as acetylcholine, dopamine and serotonin. Abundant and unusually amount of these hormones and neurotransmitters can cause the brain and adrenal glands to perform excessive dopamine-norepinephrine-epinephrine conversion and turn the brain and body functions to be extremely sympathetic. In other words, there is a big change of body chemistry when a client compulsively masturbates.

    For the client engaging in compulsive masturbation, they often experience problems with concentration and memory. This is a dangerous side effect of compulsive masturbation and signals that the brain is being over drained of acetylcholine. This behavior can also drain the motor nerves, neuro-muscular endings, and tissues of acetylcholine and replace it with too much stress adrenalin which is where memory loss, lack of concentration, and eye floaters come from. To fight these symptoms, the chemical levels in their body needs to be balanced."

    Treatment:

    1st step: celibacy -> to allow fear, anxiety, pain to resurface
    2nd step: therapy to address underlying issues
     
  2. Ra's Al Ghul

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    Well the more you wank and look at wank material, the more you will be driven to wank. Youre a wanker after all.
     
  3. Ra's Al Ghul

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    Also read that article on yourbrainonporn.com "does frequent ejaculation cause hangover".
     
  4. Ra's Al Ghul

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  5. Binging is the worst it’s what does the damage and it doesn’t matter if your sessions were hours or in my case, minutes literally (5/15 minute, favourite scene) sessions.
     
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  6. Do you reckon the withdrawals are like a heightened state of Generalised anxiety disorder what with adrenaline being took to another level?

    I feel my recovery has been that way like a burnout feeling for years whilst relapsing and a gradual decline in this unbeleivable anxiety ever since recovering.
     
  7. Fenix Rising

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    Thanks for the article. Good read...

    As of P and wanking, I had problem with binge MB before I even encountered wank material, so my theory was that some of us had problems with compulsiveness even without P. P made things even worse.
     
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  8. Fenix Rising

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    Yeah man, I completely understand. My general anxiety level was high during relapse periods, probably because of excessive adrenaline, but I used to binge PMO to bring it down (numb myself). I exchanged binge PMO with daily aerobic exercise (running/cycling) while being in hardmode and that effectively lowered my anxiety. But I went through two full blown panic attacks (feeling like having a heart stroke) and my anxiety is skyrocketing again since I can't exercise because of leg injury 2 weeks ago. When did you start seeing improvements on anxiety front?
     
  9. I was constantly feeling like shit up until around 9 months and around then to the 11th month noticed a minor amount of anxiety drop off and then it’s been up and down really since then but has definitely improved a lot since then. I’ve also cut out binge drinking since and smoking and next will be caffeine. Just literally drink water all the time. See if that brings it down anymore.

    I think where we are in such a state of anxiety through compulsive mb and porn any other substance makes it worse coming down from PMO.

    But even going through an occasional binge drink and smoking I still noticed my anxiety going down since I started recovery in porn. Like I couldn’t even breathe properly due to the withdrawals/anxiety at the beginning and had racing thoughts constantly. That all dissapeared even when I was drinking and that.
     
  10. Fenix Rising

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    Wow, 9 to 11 months, that's a long wait. I never made it so far; 200 days was my best hardmode streak. Well, given that I've decided that no PMO and no MO are lifetime decisions, I can wait half a year or more for anxiety to get better.
     
  11. Ra's Al Ghul

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    Are you having episodes of panic attacks?
     
  12. Fenix Rising

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    I had two of them this week at night (nothing major just typical signs, sweating like a pig, heart racing +200 bpm and having hard time breathing). But I was OK yesterday, so I hope worse is behind me and knowing that they're only harmless attacks of panic that will pass by themselves, makes it easier even if I get more of them in the future. This wouldn't be happening, if I could just get my daily dose of exercise :(
     
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  13. Ezpz

    Ezpz Fapstronaut

    I am also still having troubles with high stress and anxiety @ 1 year. Very emotionally unstable also, extremely up and down of late. Things are getting better just very slowly.
     
  14. Can relate to this a lot. The anxiety has deadened down a lot. I had a complete extreme case of anxiety like GAD, health and social anxiety all bundled up to one I wouldn’t even know what to call it.

    First come the worrying with me as a kid I still remember it till this day when all the worrying came a long. And then everything progressed slowly and got worse.

    I think it puts the body in absolute shock and requires a good bit of time coming out of all this which is the way it seems with me. Felt like my body was running on adrenaline for many years.
     
  15. Oh and another thing I forgot to mention is during all of this it’s best to limit alcohol to moderate levels and not binge and same goes with coffee and things like that. They exacerbated my anxiety and also I feel as if in some way they might have delayed my recovery especially alcohol.
     
  16. fellowBrother

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    You guys with 300+ days, so would you guys say you're better than you were when you were binging and fapping? Im at day 51 and I find my anxiety is a bit better day by day. I still have days that suck but every once in a while ill have a day where I can literally talk to any girl i want no problem.
     
  17. Ezpz

    Ezpz Fapstronaut

    alcohol definitely makes things worse. I think it extends recovery time
     
  18. deep_breath

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    @Fenix Rising you wrote:

    ["For the client engaging in compulsive masturbation, they often experience problems with concentration and memory. This is a dangerous side effect of compulsive masturbation and signals that the brain is being over drained of acetylcholine. This behavior can also drain the motor nerves, neuro-muscular endings, and tissues of acetylcholine and replace it with too much stress adrenalin which is where memory loss, lack of concentration, and eye floaters come from. To fight these symptoms, the chemical levels in their body needs to be balanced."

    Treatment:

    1st step: celibacy -> to allow fear, anxiety, pain to resurface
    2nd step: therapy to address underlying issues"]


    what do you mean by writing step 2? what exactly do I have to do ?

    :)



     
  19. Fenix Rising

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    Figure out what caused you to PMO in the first place. Was PMO your coping mechanism to relieve your anxiety, stress, depression, some past unresolved trauma? Only you can find the answer to that question. Secondly learn alternative coping mechanisms so when shit hits the fan again, you have tools to fight it without being pulled back into PMO rabbit hole.
     

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