Call for credit card freeze on porn sites

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by Mordobarn, May 8, 2020.

  1. A letter has been sent to 10 credit card companies calling for a freeze on credit card payments to all porn sites.

    I believe that the porn industry is where the tobacco industry was a few decades ago — fully aware of its harms, but publicly denying them.

    Given what I've learned about the porn industry since joining NoFap, I am fully in support of the letter. Unfortunately, even if successful, this won't lead to sites closing down (advertisements and niche payment systems will still bring in revenue), although it will reduce the money that they receive, and with a bit of luck shrink the webcam industry to a shadow of its current self.

    I'd like to see a freeze on all industries that directly or indirectly support coercion and trafficking, including strip clubs and the like (the latter would simply revert to using cash, but at least it would help to increase stigma for them).
     
  2. Is that really the best solution? (Or any solution at all?)
    I do not think so.
     
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  3. It maybe not the best solution, but can be a good step in a program thats goal to fight P addiction.

    They selling visual drug that harms people, I would support cutting back their profits with steps mentioned in the article.
     
  4. How is this going to help someone build a streak?

    The fact is that PMO is just a symptom. PMO is not the actual problem.
     
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  5. No, of course not. The only solution is education to the extent that no one wants to use porn.

    But your attitude implies that if something isn't a solution, we should just give up. That's silly.
    That's not at all the point. The point is to starve the monster. The porn industry thrives on vast quantities of money, and that in turn feeds sex trafficking, coercion, and more — read about it for yourself.
    Yes, that's correct, not only of porn addiction but indeed of any addiction.
     
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  6. Ok! o_O
     
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  7. Yes, I hate the porn industry also, what they do is sick.

    But, as you know, there is always a monster.

    If we ban porn, people go to the bottle.

    Ban the bottle, they go to a drug.

    Ban the drug, what a joke.

    Murder's illegal, does that stop the killing?

    And what drug are people dying from these days? Fentanyl, legal.

    Why does this happen?

    Because we live in a reckless, dangerous, ruthless world.

    I would rather try to hold back the rising of our moons,

    than spend time playing whack a mole,

    even though it is a righteous cause that is the desire of good people.

    Like you and I.

    Here's a suggestion, which is something I've seen that you do.

    If you want to hurt porn, find someone who really wants to quit,

    and be there for them, like you do already.

    I know that you are doing this because me responding to you right now,

    is time that is stolen from porn. (Even though, thanks to the Lord, I wasn't planning that today.)

    Because that is a guaranteed permanent decrease for the porn industry.

    Might not be much. The monster doesn't notice.

    But, that guy does the same for two others.

    They then reach two, now we have 4, and each gets 2 more, there's 8 plus the 4.

    That is a lot, that is manageable, that is achievable.

    And I believe you are already making those inroads...
     
  8. The Prohibition taught us that we can't ban alcohol.
    The stupid and dangerous "war on drugs" teaches us that we can't ban other recreational drugs.
    History teaches us that we can't ban prostitution.

    The only thing that we can do is bring them into the light and regulate them. (As a recreational drug, alcohol needs to be better regulated. Prostitution also needs to be better regulated, where it's already legal, to reduce the abuse of prostitutes.)

    The same will prove true of porn, I have no doubt.

    Having credit cards apply a freeze is something that, as private companies, they are allowed to do, and it will help to stigmatise the industry and reduce their funding.

    Reducing their funding will allow the financially poorer voices to be heard, and encourage governments to enact legislation to regulate the porn industry. At the moment, it's a free-for-all that encourages sex trafficking, coercion, pushing drug use, physical abuse, and more. Even though you are 100% correct that helping individuals is a good thing to do, it's not enough. I don't feel comfortable standing by while actors are abused and children are addicted in the name of entertainment.

    The UK government wanted to enact a rule whereby porn sites had to verify users' ages. You'd think that this makes sense, considering that children as young as 11 are reporting being addicted to porn. However, instead of enthusiastically going along with the idea, the porn industry has successfully put a stop to that. The industry knows that hooking children means more money for them, and as with the tobacco industry in the first half of the 20th century, the porn industry is all about profit at all costs, regardless of ethics and morality.

    So, while your sentiments are genuine and well-meaning, @LOSEmyselftoSAVEmyself, I am going to beg to differ :)
     
  9. fg4795

    fg4795 Fapstronaut

    This is really true, and we should all do it but this:
    is a comparison that makes nosense, I am sorry. Of course evil people will always exist.
    We can ban everything and bad things will happen anyway.
    Commiting a crime is something inside the mind of many humans.
    Murder is illegal, still people kill anyway? Yes, still it is illegal.
    I don't think porn should be illegal but,as for cigarettes and alcohol, the bad outcomes of its use should be, by law, taught to everybody. Then "Homo faber fortunae suae".
    Right now is a lost battle. But this does not mean that we should not fight for it ;)
     
  10. True! So true! Education solves everything.
    As with tobacco, there'll probably be many lost battles before the war is won.
     
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  11. Rux

    Rux Fapstronaut

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    meanwhile canabis is being made legal worldwide
     
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  12. The point was that laws do not impact it, neither does boycotting.

    If enough people boycott, it's a de facto ban.

    If laws ban something, then a black market is created.

    Society is too stupid to be sensible, but what we as PMO addicts can do,

    is to work our own program and be there for others who want recovery.

    All this "large scale" talk about bans and boycotts are a waste of time.

    And wastes of time are not "good fights".
     
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  13. Rux

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    Its not porn industry that needs to change, its how you raise your kids.
    We are the first to witness the horrors of porn, our parents never knew so they could never protect us. Proctecting them isnt just seting up a porn blocker! you got to make them understand somehow even if that means telling them your story, i dunno but if you just make it hard to get they'll want it even more and theyll get it trust me, you got to make them understand what goings to happen before it happens

    Our parents never had to grow up in a highly sexualised society, and they never had porn atleast like we do, so "The Talk" just got a hell of alot more complicated. you can't let your son get PIED you gotta warn him about all the fucked up dangers somehow, i know i would have wanted those warnings but as ive said our parents didnt know its very start of the internet age like so how could they have known its on us to let them know now in a way that lives on
     
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  14. Laws always impact things. The trick is to set laws that help rather than hinder. Banning porn will drive it underground. Legalising and regulating it will improve things.

    Look at various examples: prohibition vs. regulating alcohol. Banning cannabis vs regulating it. Banning tobacco vs regulating it. Banning other recreational drugs (as in the USA) vs regulating them (as in certain European countries). Banning prostitution vs regulating it.

    We need to regulate porn, including introducing ways to improve the treatment of actors, cut down paedophilia, and reduce access by minors. It's literally impossible to fix this completely, but you can improve the current situation and remove the current free-for-all. Use taxes on porn to pay for education, policing and rehab.
     
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  15. No, I respectfully disagree because I hate regulation and laws, most of the time.

    How do they pass laws? Like making sausage.

    Regulators put everything in bills that make THEM rich, which is rarely related to the issue at hand.

    I don't like encouraging that process any more than necessary.

    If you pass a bill to set up a porn regulatory body,

    then a Senator's cousin in Nebraska will get paid to start a corn museum,

    five tanks will get built,

    and Pepsi will get funding for a foundation for Chinese immigrants into Japan.

    And at the end of the day, porn stars still get AIDS, and underage kids can still see that junk.

    This is the reality of the world.
     
  16. TheTraveler

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    110% agree with you. I think if not for the reasons you mentioned, porn sites should still be censored more. There is a reason why the dark web is so inaccessible. Watching snuff, gambling, illegal drugs, gun trades...Damaging porn should also be censored to some extent imo. Of course there are blurred lines, but in the future humans will look back and wonder how all that stuff could possibly be allowed. Maybe they will even wonder how accessible porn was in general (I hope).
     
  17. Ha ha! I also hate a number of laws, but that doesn't change the facts :)
    I think that you and I live in different countries. The USA is definitely all about money. Here, the top politicians are all about power (and I suspect that the same is true to some extent in the USA). When enough people make a noise, the politicians act because they're fearful of losing power.
     

  18. Ok, yes it's different in Europe. Here, even when you take the tour on Capital Hill, they tell you that

    nobody likes to know how sausage is made NOR how a bill becomes a law.

    They throw everything in but the squeal.

    That's is why they call making laws in America "pork barrel spending".

    What this accomplishes outside of defense is to make politicians, corporations

    and their cronies rich.
     
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