Can guys who masturbate without porn or artificial stimulation please answer this?

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by skaterdrew, Oct 30, 2019.

  1. phwrancesco

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    for a 100% realistic feeling find a girl. Feels better and is healtier.
     
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  2. 420 mile high

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    True dat mo is like a bite size steak and a real girl is the whole entire dinner meal.
     
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  3. FIGHTER478

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    Agreed. But has equal output as input.
     
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  4. mgz069

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    You don't have to go as "high" as imagining a model.
    You can imagine a woman you already know.
    If you are escalating to models again it kinda beats the purpose of Nofap.
    In my opinion..
     
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  5. Reborn16

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    Lately I've had much better results using the following method: M/O to imagination 1 day a week. That's it.

    I just make sure my fantasy doesn't involve women from porn, and that I don't imagine real women I know in porn-like scenes. So, imagining some ideal model type of woman that I made up would not be an issue.

    As a single guy, this is helping me not put too much emphasis on sex itself. I'd like to get a few months into this habit, before I try dating women again. My 2c.
     
  6. I've always felt the best approach is to go hard mode at least until you can MO without fantasy. Fantasizing is going to stimulate the same area of your brain as porn, regardless of who you are fantasizing about. I'm not sure why you would think that changes anything in your brain. You are still controlling everything in your thoughts, everything is going exactly the way you want it to, which isn't how it works in real life.
     
  7. skaterdrew

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    But then you need to look at how guys masturbated to fantasies before high speed internet and there was next to no reports of sexual dysfunctions or sexual difficulties in young men, and it only started being reported at an alarming rate after high speed internet.
     
  8. 420 mile high

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    Unless you were with that model
     
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  9. Masturbating alone is just as bad as watching porn because its artificial. The purpose of your sexual organ is not to be used for self-serving purposes. Try to completely give up masturbating and porn along with all forms of artificial sexual stimulation because it just keeps your brain chasing a dopamine high.
     
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  10. skaterdrew

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    I just don't know how there didn't seem to be alarming numbers of young men reporting ed and sexual dysfunctions before high speed internet, but then after high speed internet there was an alarming number of young men reporting ed and sexual dysfunctions.

    I think before 2006 the statistics of men under 40 that had ed was around 2%, then after 2006 it was around 30% of men under 40 that had ed.

    If masturbation on it's own is just as bad as porn then men must of first began masturbating in 2006.
     
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  11. You are correct and I understand what you're saying. I'm not arguing that fantasy and masturbation are inherently bad or hurtful, but once you have created an addiction to porn, those actions are now incredibly strong triggers that should be avoided. At least during the initial recovery period but it's far to easy to fall back into the addiction once you let fantasy take over your mind. I say this from experience.
     
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  12. Mistersofty

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    Just out of curiosity, do any of you guys fantasize in third person? I think I fantasize in third person which would make sense since I'm a porn addict.
     
  13. Fantasizing is also something to stay away from because it just leads to edging.
     
  14. Infrasapiens

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    This most be the most complete response I've ever read in my life. It is so deep and well arguemented, my mind can barely grasp it. It will be archived as one of the best arguements ever said, along with "no u" and "Get off my d*ck bruh". Truly the work of a genius.
     
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  15. skullbush

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    Great point, but just maybe there is more diagnosis due to ed pills being about 20 years old,could that also be a fcator?
     
  16. Leader of ME

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    The second one is more alpha. The first we call him a ''fuckboy'' for a reason.
     
  17. Silverson

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    Hi Skaterdrew,

    I can answer this. At least what works for me.
    I have been addicted to PMO for at least 7 years and now I have made my record of porn free for 25 days as of today, which is my record :)

    Short answer: Yes, you can! And as people have mentioned already, the devil is porn and artificial stimulation. Masturbation is normal. But do not to it everyday, that is too much. How often? As little as possible / necessary.
    However, too much of masturbation without porn is still better than too much of masturbation with Porn.

    I could never have achieved 25 days without porn, without masturbation. How many times I have masturbated? 3 times only.
    1 time after 14 days and the other 2 times was a week later when i was hangover. If I would not have done this I would 100 % go back to Porn or some dating app (tinder) / looking girls until I PMO.

    What do I fantasy about when I masturbate? Nothing! I am just happy I can get myself a relief with my hands and that is it :)
    When you have waited too long it is over within 1 minute anyways , so it is just a about a relief not pleasure.

    The journey is wonderful and you will not just become porn free but become a new and better person after all porn damages. Remember there is a reason why you use porn. Are you escaping the responsibilities of life? loneliness? Failure? your jobb/ studies ? Bad decisions? Anxiety? Life expectations?
    Take your time and reflect!
    And lastly, good luck Skaterdrew and just do what is best and works for you.
     
  18. Are you being sarcastic?
     
  19. Leader of ME

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    No.

    Here is the reason. As alpha I define ''high value male'' . No man is high value sleeping around. A man needs not to be a fuckboy.

    If alpha for you is like the monkey kingdom yes, sleeping with a lot will give you a lot of kids, but just for pleasure and not for kids is not same.

    Alpha for me is a leader, and leader has purpose, creates legacy. No woman defines him.

    So that is why I answer the way I did, but that is just my opinion and I don't know much about life.
     
  20. You definitely have an interesting perspective, I must say.
     

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