Can Pied be cured by just quitting M and P

Discussion in 'Porn-Induced Sexual Dysfunctions' started by ConMan, Jun 24, 2018.

  1. ConMan

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    Do you need to do full on hard mode to cure pied or can just quitting M and P cure the dysfunction?
     
  2. MarinoBigFan1984

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  3. ConMan

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    What do you mean more than just a M and P problem?
     
  4. ConMan

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    So if I quit Masterbsting and porn for good and just got Os from my gf would i be able to rewire?
     
  5. Orlando Aponte

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    I actually think that having sex during a reboot is better than not. Once you wire a pathway in your brain, it's never truly unwired, so unless you replace it with something else, the original pathway will dominate any time there's a trigger. Having sex with a partner can enable you to replace sexual satiation from porn with sexual satiation from a partner. Excessive orgasming can still be problematic though, so I recommend not finishing every time. You should make it a challenge to orgasm is infrequently as possible. Although it's not necessary to eliminate orgasms, porn addicts experience a much stronger refractory time and Coolidge effect, which can make having regular orgasms problematic in reboot.
     
  6. Orlando Aponte

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    Almost the entirety of the knowledge-base on the subject of porn addiction and rebooting is anecdotal and not scientifically supported. However, the science of addiction is well understood. Trying to shut down a discussion on the basis of "cite your sources" is counterproductive and meaningless. This is not science yet. We're all searching for answers, and I'm coming up with mine using the evidence that is actually available to me. That evidence is principally comprised of anecdotal accounts and personal experience. The rest comes from my knowledge of addiction, which is a relatively well-studied topic in general. The specifics of porn addiction are still nebulous since the psychiatric community refuses to acknowledge it as a genuine disorder, and won't study it seriously. Asking for sources is also hypocritical, since you didn't cite any sources for your own claims, and ironic because it appears we're mostly in agreement.
     
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    If anyone wants sources on what Orlando or ghostwriter said please PM me. Good luck everyone
     
  8. nofepfepforlife

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    i quit PMO for around 8 months last year (looked at porn several times, O'd twice to porn in that time frame)...I ended up being seemingly cured...I essentially was (no symptoms) but after have sex about a dozen times (one day after the other) i ended up getting full blown ED again. O definitely sets us back.
     
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  9. ConMan

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    How long until you were cured the second time
     
  10. PJT

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    Thanks for opening up this thread, I didn't realize how deep potentially my PIED is. It's to the point that my brain is completely dysfunctional and needs to be rewired. I am thinking of no PMO at this point as opposed to no PM. But how does that work with wet dreams? Does a wet dream count as an O? How am I supposed to stop that?
     
  11. nofepfepforlife

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    never got "cured" a second time. after my bouts of sex with my LDR gf i went on nofap again but relapsed a few times to porn. my ED wasn't anywhere near as bad but still it was creeping up on me. after 6 weeks of frequent sex i had ED again. on our last day together i couldnt even ejaculate from sex and my erections were progressively getting weaker. i relapsed to porn moderately after she went home and only had maybe 1-2 week clean streaks of NoFap up until 44 days ago. these last 44 days have been a TRUE hardmode/clean streak of rebooting. no rubbing my dick (only to clean or examine it) , no looking at porn WHATSOEVER and the only times ive released semen is when ive had wet dreams. so far so good, im shooting for 193 days (something like that)...im aiming for no porn FOREVER and nofap forever but orgasm is inevitable once my 190+ days are up because im seeing my gf again on december 3rd so im expecting about 6 weeks worth of sex and bjs lol. the point is though to eliminate porn forever, thats the main thing that screws us up in the first place. it brings our dopamine up to unnaturally high levels and keeps those levels high for too long. its worse than cocaine (for dopamine regulation).

    p.s. yeah wet dreams CAN be a set back...but in my experience this only happened early into the reboot and it depends how severe your PIED is. after a while wet dreams will barely effect you, if at all. for the majority of people wet dreams are not a set back. dont reset your counter if you have a wet dream, just ignore them and keep going.
     
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  12. nofepfepforlife

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    you need to quit PMO for at least 90-200 days (varies from person to person). Even once those 90-200 days are up, you should NEVER go back to porn and dont masturbate to porn fantasy - ever. orgasm from sex or more natural masturbation are okay, but you need to be abstinent for number of months so your brain can properly heal. just dont make the same mistake as me and think because you are "cured" you can go back to doing porn in moderation...there is no moderation for people with addict brains. we need to quit porn forever.

    p.s. yeah wet dreams CAN be a set back...but in my experience this only happened early into the reboot and it depends how severe your PIED is. after a while wet dreams will barely effect you, if at all. for the majority of people wet dreams are not a set back. dont reset your counter if you have a wet dream, just ignore them and keep going.
     
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    Hey man, a newbie in need of help here. I try to cure my PIED by doing no PMO. Since I have a gf we make out (which helps to rewire, i 'believe'), but there's no sex for PIED reasons. Do these thoughts make sense? Thanks for your advice.
     
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  14. nofepfepforlife

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    i thought it was clear on my post lol, oh well. 193 days because i meet my ldr gf on dec 3rd...im gonna get sex that night hahahah.
     
  15. PJT

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    It's kinda hard for me to completely ignore the fact that I had 5 wet dreams during this latest no PM stint which I believe is at 32 days now. I'm just going to assume that I will need 180 or more days to rewire my brain. I have been an addict since 16 and even at the age of 20 I still remember suffering greatly from ED. The ED was most likely caused by drugs and a combination of unrealistic sexual expectations. I have to try and find a way to shake that all off and move forward. Thank you for the advice.
     
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  16. nofepfepforlife

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    I do not wish to alarm you but I think 180 days is a low estimate. I know some guys that took 2 years to fully reboot and stay cured.
     
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  17. nofepfepforlife

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    Indeed, very true...hence why I say none of us should EVER go back to porn. There is no such thing as "light dosing" or "moderate usage". We are afflicted forever, we have to cut porn out our lives permanently in order to stay sexually healthy.
     
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    That is so true. I also suffered from PIED.
    Being PMO from the age 18 to 38, although I think it was normal.

    What i did not realize how my brain has been affected by the regular PMO.

    It is when I got married at age 36 and was about to have sex for the first time, did I realize I had ED and PE. It is really confusing. Because to think that I can have a boner with P but with a real person my manhood just died.

    Untill I found Nofap and YBOP did i realize how sick my brain was, and why I became a changed person. Please read and educate yourself. Untill we realize how bad PMO was affecting our lives, we won't have strong determination to do NoFap.

    I am at 210 days of NoFap and I can personally said I am 90% cured. Imagine 20years of PMO. But we can overcome this terrible condition. Just really educate yourself.

    YBOP has all the information. I also watch GabeDeem on youtube.

    Sorry for my bad english. It is not my first language. Just want to share my experience.
     
  19. PJT

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    It is okay, thank you so much for your input. I always had the mentality that one day I would just "get it" and talk to my fair share of women and eventually live a life like plenty in my community are living (married kids etc). I did not pay attention nor try to educate myself about sex and relationships. I believe the more aware one is of themselves the more they can place their energy in the right places.
     
  20. nofepfepforlife

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    I'm very happy for you and for the fact you beat this thing. How many days did it take for you to feel 90% cured? I'm 50 days hardmode tonight and my morning woods have been all over the place since starting but in the last 5-10 days and somewhere inbetween I've been feeling strange arousual all over my body, not an urge to use porn but a very unfamiliar natural feeling of excitement (unfamiliar because its been YEARS!)... also my morning woods are starting to become more frequent and are slowly increasing in stiffness. Yet my erections are not of total complete quality yet...still a bit...idk how to describe it but not quite there yet.
     

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