Chad, high value men and pickiness (hypergamy) of woman is to blame

Hobbies! Gym, church, school, groups like hiking, skiing, reading, painting, chess, my husband joined a Bagpipe group! Lol take a cooking class a dancing class , get out and meet people who know people who might know someone who would be perfect for you.
I almost try everthring u mentioned, gues what it is a sausage fest.but my country is small diesnot have everything u mentoined, but the clubs there are are sausage fest, church no singles there ,only old people, married peiple, single moms, teenagers.
 
Hobbies! Gym, church, school, groups like hiking, skiing, reading, painting, chess, my husband joined a Bagpipe group! Lol take a cooking class a dancing class , get out and meet people who know people who might know someone who would be perfect for you.
I once went to dancing class a while ago, guess what old women, married women, no single ladies, they go with their bf or gf, it is strange.
 
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Hobbies! Gym, church, school, groups like hiking, skiing, reading, painting, chess, my husband joined a Bagpipe group! Lol take a cooking class a dancing class , get out and meet people who know people who might know someone who would be perfect for you.
Gym is a sausage fest, but women dont want to be cold aproach in gym do they? Unless u a a chad ofc. And as men we dont have many friends. I joimed a language class I was interested in, old women, married women, sausage fest, very strange.
 
I once went to dancing class a while ago, guess what old women, married women, no single ladies, it is strange.
Old women, married women, know other women and if you take the time to get to know them they might just know someone to introduce you to. However if you’re only there to meet singles and are uninterested in people you can’t have sex with then you aren’t going to develop a friendship so they will not introduce you to someone who might be perfect but doesn’t get out much. You will never make any shot you don’t take. Period. But first get rid of your addiction and start practicing gratitude for what you do have and focus on developing yourself.
 
Hobbies! Gym, church, school, groups like hiking, skiing, reading, painting, chess, my husband joined a Bagpipe group! Lol take a cooking class a dancing class , get out and meet people who know people who might know someone who would be perfect for you.
So it almost seem the ladies are online chasing the chads or high value men, doesnt make sense how can u have more single men than women, if men and women population is 50/50.
 
Old women, married women, know other women and if you take the time to get to know them they might just know someone to introduce you to. However if you’re only there to meet singles and are uninterested in people you can’t have sex with then you aren’t going to develop a friendship so they will not introduce you to someone who might be perfect but doesn’t get out much. You will never make any shot you don’t take. Period. But first get rid of your addiction and start practicing gratitude for what you do have and focus on developing yourself.
That would be making friends with women because you want them to introduce their women friends , that is how to say it, not genuine, and how can u have plutonic relatiinship with married or commited women? That is where cheating can start. Btw I only watch porn because of no gf, if I had gf I would not watch. I watch porn only for 10 min every 3-4 days,try to minimize as much as possible.
 
I don't mean to be rude at all, but it sounds like you are looking for excuses rather than solutions... That is okay as well, you are on your own journey and hopefully it will come the day where you have to overcome this obstacles. In the meantime Psalm and other people In the forum has offered you great advice which if you are willing you can take it for a positive outcome. Best of luck!
 
So the chads, the high value men and the pickiness of the woman are to blame for the mess we are now in. If the chads and high value man settled for a good woman more quickly and if the women settled for an good average guy more quickly, guess we will have less single men I suppose.
The key word here being settled. Most women aren't going to settle for a guy she isn't hardwired to want if there's no outside force (culture, family, laws, the state, etc.) forcing her to do so. Now that many societys have done away with these institutions, women are free to pursue who they want, and that's the top men you described here.

As for chads: it's hard to stay loyal with so many options being thrown at you, as well as few regulations to punish infidelity. I don't want to live in a regulated world; we already had that, and most men still went without (probably because they couldn't afford the bride price).

At the end of the day, I must disagree. Average men, below average men and hideous men such as myself would still be single even if "chads" and most women "settled," because that's the actual history of humanity. That's mate selection, friend; most guys won't get chosen. Again (I've said this many times before), this is why most guys fall into PMO; to satiate sexual needs that cannpt be fulfilled naturally.

I can only speak for myself, but my plan moving forward is to try and live a fulfilling life as best I can. Not just without PMO, but without worrying about my lot in life. It's difficult, but blaming other people's choices does nothing to help me. Have you ever watched a nature documentary? Males fight over females all the time, and the bottom rung of males get left out. Nature is cruel. Life is cruel.
 
I don't mean to be rude at all, but it sounds like you are looking for excuses rather than solutions... That is okay as well, you are on your own journey and hopefully it will come the day where you have to overcome this obstacles. In the meantime Psalm and other people In the forum has offered you great advice which if you are willing you can take it for a positive outcome. Best of luck!
Stop believing that romantically connecting with someone is impossible. You’re not hopeless, but someone capable of improvement. Thoughts like that won’t help. Overthinking of sex, or about anything else, is something women can sense. Even most guys perceive it, even though we’re the less intuitive gender. Approach the girls you’re comfortable with. Then you can move into those you are not through practice. Talk to the wall. It might look silly, but may aid you. Understand that there is nothing to lose. Stand up. Don't care what others say. Rejection is often a training towards an approval.
 
Affirmations, like these of concentration meditations, could make your self-image better. First love yourself. If you do not, even if you join a relationship, it will not fulfill you. A girlfriend will only add more problems to your life if she is as clueless as you now are.
 
The key word here being settled. Most women aren't going to settle for a guy she isn't hardwired to want if there's no outside force (culture, family, laws, the state, etc.) forcing her to do so. Now that many societys have done away with these institutions, women are free to pursue who they want, and that's the top men you described here.

As for chads: it's hard to stay loyal with so many options being thrown at you, as well as few regulations to punish infidelity. I don't want to live in a regulated world; we already had that, and most men still went without (probably because they couldn't afford the bride price).

At the end of the day, I must disagree. Average men, below average men and hideous men such as myself would still be single even if "chads" and most women "settled," because that's the actual history of humanity. That's mate selection, friend; most guys won't get chosen. Again (I've said this many times before), this is why most guys fall into PMO; to satiate sexual needs that cannpt be fulfilled naturally.

I can only speak for myself, but my plan moving forward is to try and live a fulfilling life as best I can. Not just without PMO, but without worrying about my lot in life. It's difficult, but blaming other people's choices does nothing to help me. Have you ever watched a nature documentary? Males fight over females all the time, and the bottom rung of males get left out. Nature is cruel. Life is cruel.

This reply is too sad.

there is also a divine force in existence. We aren’t just simply advanced monkeys. There is a Bible quote that says something like “the race is not to the swift, neither is the battle to the strong, neither riches for the wise, but chance happens to them all”

someone in a really bad situation can come into a really good situation and someone in a really good situation can come into a really bad situation

lots of things can happen
 
Good f:n grief! @Psalm27:1my light is correct — you need to go out, meet people, network. If you perceive that a venue is biased, try another. I joined a church choir desperately in need of men, learned how to do it, and met my wife.

You are not entitled to a thing. You need to go out and earn it. If you are religious, pray for the assistance to do so. No woman would give herself to a man who was unwilling to prove himself.

Grow a pair.
 
Without them giving u signals first ? Usually women dont give signals to average joes, only chads get those signals, so that means high rejection rate right ?

Many women don't categorize all guys into groups of:

1) chads,
2) high value men
3) average joes

...and then decide who to go for from there. Instead, they're able to see the division is created more as:

1) guys who love and respect a woman for her individuality and who don't constantly apply their own preconceived biases to 'women' as a whole, AND who are also willing to look inward to see what they can improve about themselves to increase their chances of finding a compatible woman who desires them for a relationship,

2) guys who spend all their time trying to come up with 'reasons' why women are to blame for their own lack of success in establishing a relationship with one of those faulty women (but one that isn't a "fattie" or a "single mom"), AND who see no reason to try to work on themselves because they already meet all the standards necessary since they "ain't fat" and, therefore, they deserve a "high value woman" or a "stacy."

It might be difficult to understand that, to some women, a guy can be much more attractive if he has some respect for women as well as respect for other people in general and if he has a sense of accountability for himself. A guy that can honestly admit to his own issues and is willing to work on those instead of blaming everyone else...that is attractive and can take a guy from average joe to high value. Likewise, a guy that looks good at first glance can easily become much uglier the second he opens his mouth if everything that spews out is about how women are all _________, and women are all to blame for ___________. A lot of the things that make a guy "high value" are things you can improve, but to make those improvements, you first have to stop acting like you have no control over whether or not you're judgmental and unwilling to be accountable for your own crap because blame-shifting and stereotyping don't negate those things.
 
The key word here being settled. Most women aren't going to settle for a guy she isn't hardwired to want if there's no outside force (culture, family, laws, the state, etc.) forcing her to do so. Now that many societys have done away with these institutions, women are free to pursue who they want, and that's the top men you described here.

As for chads: it's hard to stay loyal with so many options being thrown at you, as well as few regulations to punish infidelity. I don't want to live in a regulated world; we already had that, and most men still went without (probably because they couldn't afford the bride price).

At the end of the day, I must disagree. Average men, below average men and hideous men such as myself would still be single even if "chads" and most women "settled," because that's the actual history of humanity. That's mate selection, friend; most guys won't get chosen. Again (I've said this many times before), this is why most guys fall into PMO; to satiate sexual needs that cannpt be fulfilled naturally.

I can only speak for myself, but my plan moving forward is to try and live a fulfilling life as best I can. Not just without PMO, but without worrying about my lot in life. It's difficult, but blaming other people's choices does nothing to help me. Have you ever watched a nature documentary? Males fight over females all the time, and the bottom rung of males get left out. Nature is cruel. Life is cruel.
Bro, it’s not even that dark or bleak for you even though you mentioned you’re below average. Most women are Mids and when Stacey’s hit the Wall they also become Mids if not invisible. So at the very least, you’re worthy of a Mid because as a Man, you bring more to the table than her.
 
Bro, it’s not even that dark or bleak for you even though you mentioned you’re below average. Most women are Mids and when Stacey’s hit the Wall they also become Mids if not invisible. So at the very least, you’re worthy of a Mid because as a Man, you bring more to the table than her.
I appreciate your kind words, but I'm afraid it's too late for me. For one, I'm done trying, and if there's one thing I've learned about our current world, being a so-called mid (I assume that means average looking?) and choosing to settle don't exactly go hand-in-hand. In other words, just because a woman is average (or develops that way with age) doesn't mean she'll accept an average man. Whether I bring more to table or not, I've decided to stay single. Chasing women led into a deep depression, and I never want to experience that again.
 
This reply is too sad.

there is also a divine force in existence. We aren’t just simply advanced monkeys. There is a Bible quote that says something like “the race is not to the swift, neither is the battle to the strong, neither riches for the wise, but chance happens to them all”

someone in a really bad situation can come into a really good situation and someone in a really good situation can come into a really bad situation

lots of things can happen
Encouraging words are always welcome.

I don't believe in anything divine, I'm afraid. However, I do believe agree with your final statement; Good can certainly befall evil and vice versa. However, while I don't view humans are mere advanced monkeys, I don't think they're divine either, or immune to the laws of nature. Nature is all about survival and procreation, and for every winner there's many losers. When we see a species succeed, we often fail to remember the many that didn't. We love as humans to tell ourselves that there's someone for everyone, but that's not how nature works.

For thousands of years (possible longer), humans created institutions to try and level the playing field of mate selection, by effectively assigning certain men with certain women. Arranged marriage, dowry payments, strict norms on social etiquette, etc. Clearly, we weren't very mindful of genetics (we didn't know of their existence until the 19th century, I believe), which probably explains creepy cousin marriages. Nevertheless, it was all designed for the sake of order, transcational benefit, and even political stability. However, that simply isn't the case anymore, and was never the case in nature.

Once those institutions were gone, and the social/legal realities with them, the dating scene reverted back to what it is in nature: the fittest males are selected by the females, and every other guy can either scrape the barrell or die alone. The P industry is designed for the latter group, which is why most of us are here in the first place. In any case, there's one flaw in the system, and that's modernity itself. I suppose in Paleoithic times, the fittest males would actually have to do the work so to speak, but now in the civilized world, they can look the part without having to fend off interlopers trying to steal his pride, if you catch my meaning. I think this is why many women these days "chase Chad," and then complain/cry when he doesn't commit; he knows he can get the rewards (sex, affairs,etc.) without the investment. I knew a lot of deadbeat dads, and I think this explains them perfectly.

You're more than entitled to your religious views, but divinity or not, women will still chase Chads, because that's what they're wired to do. We may not like how nature works, but it doesn't stop it from being true.
 
Encouraging words are always welcome.

I don't believe in anything divine, I'm afraid. However, I do believe agree with your final statement; Good can certainly befall evil and vice versa. However, while I don't view humans are mere advanced monkeys, I don't think they're divine either, or immune to the laws of nature. Nature is all about survival and procreation, and for every winner there's many losers. When we see a species succeed, we often fail to remember the many that didn't. We love as humans to tell ourselves that there's someone for everyone, but that's not how nature works.

For thousands of years (possible longer), humans created institutions to try and level the playing field of mate selection, by effectively assigning certain men with certain women. Arranged marriage, dowry payments, strict norms on social etiquette, etc. Clearly, we weren't very mindful of genetics (we didn't know of their existence until the 19th century, I believe), which probably explains creepy cousin marriages. Nevertheless, it was all designed for the sake of order, transcational benefit, and even political stability. However, that simply isn't the case anymore, and was never the case in nature.

Once those institutions were gone, and the social/legal realities with them, the dating scene reverted back to what it is in nature: the fittest males are selected by the females, and every other guy can either scrape the barrell or die alone. The P industry is designed for the latter group, which is why most of us are here in the first place. In any case, there's one flaw in the system, and that's modernity itself. I suppose in Paleoithic times, the fittest males would actually have to do the work so to speak, but now in the civilized world, they can look the part without having to fend off interlopers trying to steal his pride, if you catch my meaning. I think this is why many women these days "chase Chad," and then complain/cry when he doesn't commit; he knows he can get the rewards (sex, affairs,etc.) without the investment. I knew a lot of deadbeat dads, and I think this explains them perfectly.

You're more than entitled to your religious views, but divinity or not, women will still chase Chads, because that's what they're wired to do. We may not like how nature works, but it doesn't stop it from being true.

Really well thought out and descriptive and thorough ideas you just said. And I agree with you… but to a point

But any guy can get into great physical shape, maybe take up boxing? Even if a guy has the ugliest face ever, if he gets in good shape, like peak physical condition, and learns some boxing skills, then I think he has a shot

the only guy I’d say it’s over for is someone with a severe disability…. If that’s your case, then I hope after your death you wake up to a room full of supermodels
 
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