Chad, high value men and pickiness (hypergamy) of woman is to blame

What you're saying is to some extent true with regards to online dating. The trick is to skip online dating. Meet women in real life. Build social circles and meet women through mutual friends, etc. I've got mates who are just fucking hideous and still get birds. You've got to be in it to win it. Easier said than done if you're in a shitty place in life but Rome wasn't built in a day. Got to build yourself up and aim towards the lifestyle you want.
 
I agree. In fact, I said something like this on a previous post today. Some men believe that they need to work on themselves first, and then the women will come later. However, there's two major problems with this sort of thinking: For one, it isn't natural to actualize before relations with other people have developed; that's putting the cart before the horse. Second, the only kinds of women who will be drawn to you after you've already become a success are women with ulterior motives (i.e. gold diggers). Consider Maslow's hierarchy of needs for a moment:

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Notice how actualization comes after acquiring friends/relationships, coupled by prestige (or validation) from one's peer group. Case-in-point, you need to establish relationships FIRST, and then you can achieve your full potential. Those relations don't have to be romantic either; we inherently derive validation from our families, followed by our community.




To be fair, some people are orphaned or come from broken homes, but that's usually where the other type of person you mentioned comes from. That is people who believe that they can become the best version of themselves by themselves. It comes from a place of hurt, rather than a place of empowerment. Even feminists who gloat that "they don't need men" forget that even men need other men; one-man armies (unless your name is Leo Major) only exist in fiction, which is where I suspect this mindset came from (i.e. fatherless youths raised by television).



As I previously said, the kind of women who will only notice you after you become the best version of yourself are not the kind of women who you want anything to do with. Growing up, a lot of my peers were fascinated with gangsta rap, where rappers often pointed out that they wished to achieve success in order to attract hoes. Hoes, as in sexually loose women who they could love and then leave. The rational behind this made no sense to me; why would you spend all your time and energy working hard to better yourself and become rich and famous, only to squander it on nefarious, attention-seeking women? It's almost like they're begging to be used.

Yesterday, I went out for coffee with a lady friend before dropping her off at work (almost all of my friends are women). She told me that all she wants in a guy is someone she's attracted to (how refreshing to hear women say it out loud for once), and also be someone she enjoys spending time with. Sadly, there truly are many women with unrealistic expectations (make six figures! Drive a Porsche! Have a mansion!), but those women usually ended up alone as a result of their pickiness and lack of self-awareness. They often lacked the value they expected in others.

At the end of the day, I'm not against anyone working on themselves per se, but years ago I learned a hard lesson: Most people's opinion of you won't change even after you work on yourself. The same people who liked the unimproved me still liked the improved me, and the rest either didn't notice or care, or still disliked me all the same. In other words, you can't control how other people view you. That said, once I realized this, I now only spend time with my immediate family and my closest friends; I can count them all on one hand for each group, but I wouldn't give them up for the world.



The reason people feel they have to be this way is because their desire to "improve" is mostly coming from feeling of inferiority, rather than a desire for a better life. This is why I view self-help as a scam for the most part; in fact, most of western society has normalized body dysmorphia.

Improving to get women is not really improving; it's just a man running from his own feeling of inferiority that he himself internalized. When I see guys cold approaching, only to get rejected over and over again, to me it looks like a man reliving the trauma of rejection doing something that's almost certain to fail. It's sad, actually.

I'm really glad you wrote this. It took a lot of effort to write this, and I hope it changes people's viewpoints.
Gold, this entire thread is gold
 
hi,

Just open discussion, so after watching the youtube discussion about dating and woman, the conclusion is:

Online dating and social media gives women more options of men to date.

-the chads and high value men (20% of all men) get all the attention from the women (60% of the women)
-the average men dont get much attention
-so that why there are more single men than single woman, the single woman are too busy chasing the chads and high value men, they rather be a side chick to chads and high value men than date average men.

So the chads, the high value men and the pickiness of the woman are to blame for the mess we are now in. If the chads and high value man settled for a good woman more quickly and if the women settled for an good average guy more quickly, guess we will have less single men I suppose.

Br,
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please grow up. we are here on nofap because we struggle with entitlement to sexual stimulation. what you described has always been the case- its the story of human mating since the beginning of time. its not easy or fair. deal with it
 
please grow up. we are here on nofap because we struggle with entitlement to sexual stimulation. what you described has always been the case- its the story of human mating since the beginning of time. its not easy or fair. deal with it

Facts. So many people use nofap to perpetuate/justify sexual entitlement, though, which is just as messed up as using porn.
 
Don't listen to this dude. Girls come to you and if you aren't getting any attraction from girls then you aren't attractive enough to them.

As a man your number one priority in life is to obtain wealth, not chase women. Women aren't a necessity they are just something that enhances your life. Listen to your body and your instincts not your conscious desire for a girlfriend. Unless you are abstinent you won't even desire sex anyway, your body's instincts and your desires need to be in sync first.

The most lusted after guys are the male celebrities of this world, they are extremely vain and spend a lot of time perfecting their image, they are physically in prime shape, and they are wealthy and talented. It should be every man's ambition to emulate these guys.

Number one thing you need to do to attract girls is SR/nofap. The reality is if you aren't in good form on this then it just kills dead any chance you have of attracting women. It takes 2 months to maximize your fertility after which your attractiveness from this will peak. Most guys are unsuccessful with women because they have a gaping hole where their sexuality is, they look unattractive and their instincts are to shy away from women. I wouldn't bother with women until you reach this point.

Girls don't want a skinny/fat guy that is why you need to be in the gym about an hour every other day. You are supposed to be outdoors exercising, but modern life doesn't necessitate this, so you need to be in the gym building the muscle you would otherwise be building. I think building up a lean physique is extremely beneficial for attracting women.

Appearance-wise you need perfect hair, good fitting clothes, spend time getting a tan, groom yourself, if you have wealth then flaunt it. Drive a sports car, wear a rolex, wear expensive designer clothes.

There are some parts to this that are just not true.

Number one priority is to obtain wealth, I don’t know why you believe this to be true. Wealth is important, however it isn’t number one, it is just one of the things that is priority in life.

Women aren’t a necessity, they are just something that enhance your life. Really? This is a horrible statement. To a lot of people, women are a necessity as they want to have a family and raise kids together. To say women just enhance your life is simply saying “you are the prize” and women just compliment to your already good life. No wealth will ever make you more fulfilled than having someone by your side and growing a family with you. Wealth is important, however it is important to the point where you can financially support and not have to necessarily be rich.

Celebrities? Really? Do you forget how dark that industry is? What a lot had to do to be in the positions they are in? The only thing you need to emulate is ambition, that is it. Have ambitions to want to achieve the best you can in life regarding career and a direction in life.

This idea that “you need to be on nofap/SR” to attract women is just Ludacris. If someone is struggling mentally due to porn and masturbation, then yes it can help with things such as confidence and mental strength, however it’s not always the case. I PMO’d for 20 years and during that time, I never had an issue/problem attracting women and being in relationships with women. This idea that nofap/SR exudes “aura” that women can sense is just plain Ludacris.

The next part is not only outrageous but also insulting many women. You say you need to be a gym buff, and also regards style you need to flaunt expensive things such as a Rolex and a nice sports car to attract women. Here is a few problems with that statement.

1. Yes keeping ontop of your appearance (gym) is essential, however this doesn’t mean women won’t be attracted to you if you are skinny. This statement is basically dooming 90 percent of men. Take a look at the married population and see how many men are gym fit. It is a lot less than skinny or fat men.

2. The statement “ if you have a Rolex and a nice sports car, then flaunt it” is the dumbest advice because if you attract women due to your resources and only your resources, then these are the women you stay away from. They are not with you for your body, your personality or any part of you, they are only with you for what material world you can provide for them.

To label this as this is what you need to attract women basically insults all women as gold diggers and nothing more than people who use men for resources and materialistic gains and shallow appearance.

I can attest to this because I am the example of what you have basically highlighted. Just in case the questions come up, here are the answers.

1. I use to be a natural competitive bodybuilder (don’t compete but train 6 days a week and still maintain a bodybuilders physique) I mention this on another post to you.

2. I am financially successful.

3. I have nice cars, clothes and properties.

I have had the same luck with women during my PMO days and even after I gave up porn and masturbation. Nothing changed. I have never had issues attracting women regardless of nofap/SR or PMO’ing. I wasn’t financially successful when I was 25, I was still making my way up in my career, yet I never had any issues attracting women. There is much more to this then what you have mentioned.

The women that seek your attention with everything resource and materialistic related, run to the hills and avoid these women. They are not the women you want in your life.
 
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There are some parts to this that are just not true.

Number one priority is to obtain wealth, I don’t know why you believe this to be true. Wealth is important, however it isn’t number one, it is just one of the things that is priority in life.

Women aren’t a necessity, they are just something that enhance your life. Really? This is a horrible statement. To a lot of people, women are a necessity as they want to have a family and raise kids together. To say women just enhance your life is simply saying “you are the prize” and women just compliment to your already good life. No wealth will ever make you more fulfilled than having someone by your side and growing a family with you. Wealth is important, however it is important to the point where you can financially support and not have to necessarily be rich.

Celebrities? Really? Do you forget how dark that industry is? What a lot had to do to be in the positions they are in? The only thing you need to emulate is ambition, that is it. Have ambitions to want to achieve the best you can in life regarding career and a direction in life.

This idea that “you need to be on nofap/SR” to attract women is just Ludacris. If someone is struggling mentally due to porn and masturbation, then yes it can help with things such as confidence and mental strength, however it’s not always the case. I PMO’d for 20 years and during that time, I never had an issue/problem attracting women and being in relationships with women. This idea that nofap/SR exudes “aura” that women can sense is just plain Ludacris.

The next part is not only outrageous but also insulting many women. You say you need to be a gym buff, and also regards style you need to flaunt expensive things such as a Rolex and a nice sports car to attract women. Here is a few problems with that statement.

1. Yes keeping ontop of your appearance (gym) is essential, however this doesn’t mean women won’t be attracted to you if you are skinny. This statement is basically dooming 90 percent of men. Take a look at the married population and see how many men are gym fit. It is a lot less than skinny or fat men.

2. The statement “ if you have a Rolex and a nice sports car, then flaunt it” is the dumbest advice because if you attract women due to your resources and only your resources, then these are the women you stay away from. They are not with you for your body, your personality or any part of you, they are only with you for what material world you can provide for them.

To label this as this is what you need to attract women basically insults all women as gold diggers and nothing more than people who use men for resources and materialistic gains and shallow appearance.

I can attest to this because I am the example of what you have basically highlighted. Just in case the questions come up, here are the answers.

1. I use to be a natural competitive bodybuilder (don’t compete but train 6 days a week and still maintain a bodybuilders physique) I mention this on another post to you.

2. I am financially successful.

3. I have nice cars, clothes and properties.

I have had the same luck with women during my PMO days and even after I gave up porn and masturbation. Nothing changed. I have never had issues attracting women regardless of nofap/SR or PMO’ing. I wasn’t financially successful when I was 25, I was still making my way up in my career, yet I never had any issues attracting women. There is much more to this then what you have mentioned.

The women that seek your attention with everything resource and materialistic related, run to the hills and avoid these women. They are not the women you want in your life.
Could you not wait for my response?
 
as a sex addict I always blamed external things; I was always full of resentments of women, society, jobs, family, landlord, etc.
I replayed them in my head many times a day.

It's actually a necessary pillar of addiction, because it gave me a endless pool of "poor me" to pull from to justify my acting out. it's very common for addicts.
 
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