Cold Approaches (DIscussion)

tiagomoncada

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i actually know a guy who did 40k approaches. got lots of phone numbers, but no one called him back. l know a bunch of other guys who did fewer approaches but got similar results, which is no dates. none of them are particularly ugly. all avg looking guys. the guy who did 40k approaches is in his mid 30s but has been doing cold approach since his early 30s
 
if you get to the point where you tell yourself that 800 approaches and almost no dates aren't your fault, and that you don't have to change anything about yourself, that's self-confidence.

Many men make cold approach forgetting that it will never be a suitable place to meet women. She doesn't know you and you've got to make her want to see you again in 2 minutes.
So yes, with some women things happen very quickly and very well. But that's rare and I think it's important to have a quality social circle and friends to remind you that you don't have to change anything about yourself. I know lots of guys who only do cold approach and have no friends. That's the best way to lose yourself and not know who you are anymore. It's a life balance you have to have.

Cold approaching for something as insignificant as sex leads nowhere. On the other hand, cultivating values like honesty and courage is infinitely better.

l know about 10 guys who do cold approaches, and none of them reall have any friends and are not popular in their social circles. l think that cold approach is a bit of a last resort for guys who don't have alot going for them. Most men, if given a choice will choose whatever options there are before attempting cold approach.
 
Oh I see, you mainly approach on college campus. Thats why you face so much rejection. most of the girls are really young and perceive dating as taboo, most girls are so new to the dating scene they get super intimidated when a guy approaches and rejects by default. I highly advise you get a fake id and go to local bars and try your game there. I promise you, your results will be far different.
college, and new to dating? what country are you from saudi arabia? most of the females l know have been smashing since middle school. colleges are hard to do if youre not a student there. if youre a student there, it's easy. ive asked for directions and females will ask for my socials after some small talk. i remember asking 2 college students for directions and both were very friendly to me. college students are very tribal, so if youre not one of them, they will not welcome you with open arms. i also remember talking to a student a few blocks away from campus. at this time, i was not a student. when she asked me if i was a student, and i said no. that was the end of the conversation. i was also talking to a couple of students and asked them about this, and they told me they were much more defensive towards those who arent students at their college
 
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is this cold approach thing a healthy self-improvement thing or a PUA thing?
does it count if I talk to a stranger for non-romantic talking situation? Im not sure I understand this concepts.
When Im kinda bored in the street I will talk to a street preacher or the kiosk owner.
cold approach is usually a pua thing. i know about 10 guys who do cold approaches, and none of them really have any friends, and it seems like thats the ONLY option they have. i dont see it as a healthy thing because what ends up hapening, at least with the guys i know is, they get rejected by a bunch of females and end up having lower self esteem, and some of them end up hating females due to getting rejected so much. there are some guys who end up desensitizing themselves. this ends up distancing the pua from the community they live in, because in order for them to continue cold approaches, they have to desensitize themselves, which ends up making them seem inconsiderate. if you pay attention to guys who are popular with not only females but men too, theyre normally quite in tune with how people feel, and will modify their behavior based on how their colleagues are. this is also closely tied with eq. l know a guy who gets lots of females. hes actually a pretty flawed person, but one thing l noticed about him is he's constantly reading a females body language, when interacting with her, and he proceeds based on how the female acts. problem with the vast majority of pua is, they are blocking out any signals and body language the female is sending because in order for him to continue cold approach, he has to block off all signals in order to desensitize himself. this is why most pua dont succeed
 
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Focus on Yourself man...girls tend to focus on security first, and a strange dude approaching them is the antithesis of that. It sucks and is shitty, I know. I admire your gumption and balls, really. But by security, I mean they tend to look to guys in their social circles that they're part of. It's mostly when they get older they realise the folly of this.
if you really pay attention to female behavior, you;ll notice that females would rather go back to guys they knew in high school rather than give a random guy on the street a chance, even though the random guy may be a better fit. people look to what is familiar to them and dont like walking into the unknown. even when i was in college, i knew alot of guys who would just date females they knew from hs rather than meet new females at college. also you look at the expat community too. you look at the white females who live in japan but they are almost always dating white guys. so they go out of their way to find these guys who theyre familiar with rather than date a local guy who is much more easily accessible
but i also agree with the security aspect. even in the movies you see this. pretty girl lures a guy somewhere and once he;s there he's done for. while this is a movie, there are examples of this in real life too. so even as a man, you shouldnt really be cold approaching someone just because they look good, and this is why 99% of men dont do it, because just as much as females should question a man's integrity, males should also question the females integrity. as animals we are naturally suspicious of others, and it's actually unatural to date someone just because they like the way they look, and if you look at the general pattern of people, theyre usually dating people theyve known for a long period of time, and they've withstood the test of time. if you as a male or female are just dating random people off the street, this is a security risk, and if everyone did that there'd probably be alot of bloodshed. of course it also doesnt help that there are alot of guys (AND FEMALES) out there with truly bad intentions. so really all it takes is a few bad guys to ruin it for everyone. i remember when a christian guy came up to me on a college campus. he tried to make normal conversation, and then proceeded to try to get me to join his religion. after that interaction, i assumed any other person who came up to me out of nowhere was a christian. so i basically just ignored everyone who came up to me for no reason. im sure females will have a similar reaction thats why alot of females will turn u down before you even get two sentences in
 
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Yes thank you! It seems she gave me her number just to please me, I texted her yesterday and no response. I'm excited to see where my life would be at by approach 100.
that result is about the same for 99%. alot of guys dont understand that getting a number doesnt necesarily result in a date. in many ways approaching, getting a number, and no response is worse than getting no number because youve wasting your time and effort, and got your hopes up for nothing
 
This is how humans have evovled to prevent impulsive sex which would have bad consequences.
humans are also tribal, so we've been conditioned over thousands of years to mate with specific people among very specific groups, and it would almost always be frowned upon for you to step out of those boundaries set by your tribe
 
and i;ll also tell u why else cold approach is a bad idea. you approach 100 females. 99 of them reject you. so now you have it in your mind that females are a threat, and theyre going to reject you. similar to how females are defensive against males because of that 1 pua who creeped her out.

obviously youre going to think females are a threat because thats the pattern here. by cold approaching, you are creating a negative image of females in your head, because before you did cold approach, you were neutral about females, now you see them as agresive, and hostile, because thats what they dispaly to you when you cold approach them. now that you think that females are hostile, you might falsely assume that a friendly female is hostile just because she is female. so you begin to develop a false negative. so now youre faced with a female who actually likes you but in your mind shes hostile and agresive because she, for no other reason than being female, reminds you of the other 99 who rejected you. chances are, youre not going to base your opinion of females based on that 1 who accepted you but the 99 who rejected you
 
But I feel it's embarrassing at my age to approach women. Isn't it true?
the reality of it is, the older you are, the harder it becomes, and the smaller your audience becomes. l talk to alot of young females and l always ask them their age range and it usually is about 5 yrs older, and the maximum is usually 30. there will always be females who dont mind middle age men, but l think thats very niche. you also have to remember that in the back of peoples minds will always be reproduction. when a female looks at you, shes programed to think, will this man bring me healthy offspring, and middle age men do not. same reason men generally are not interested in middle age females. if you look it up, mens sperm actually start to have problems after 25
 
Hi, last night I approached a girl but was a bit strange...

I was in a dance club and asked a stranger girl is she wanted to dance with me. She accepted and it felt great... while dancing I only asked for her name - I still have a lot to work on - and after a few minutes she left me... but I could do it in the first place!

And well, I'm taking this challenge of 100 cold approaches more seriously once I start going to the campus in 3 months from now - it seems to be really helpful as it will put me out of my comfort zone and thus help me build the social skills I've been lacking for all my life so far.


Okay it makes sense. Is there any rule in the duration of the conversation to consider it a successful approach? Maybe 5 minutes?
l ask alot of attractive females this very question, and alot of them tell men to say "l think youre pretty, you mind if l get your number". this actually only takes 10 seconds. l know lots of guys who talk to females for 10 minutes. then l ask them if he got a number, and he says no. so lm honstly wondering what was the point of him wasting 10 minutes talking to a female who wasnt intersted in dating him. alot of these guys will say things like "i enjoy the conversations". but if youre a man that spends 10 minutes of your time, or even 1 minute of your time talking to someone who isnt interested then it really shows that youre a low value man with no dignity, and that your time isnt worth a whole lot. lts a bit like being a salesman. a good salesman wont waste his time talking to customers who wont buy anything. as soon as someone walks in a store, he can gauge if theyre going to buy anything
 
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females are dating, just not dating you. look it up. only about 32% of young females are single. now bear in mind, this includes ugly females too. you can guarantee that with attractive females, it's going to be much lower, where you will see upwards of 80% of females are NOT single. and amongst college females it will be even higher simply because theyre always going to be around eligible young men.
u sound like youre so far detached from your community that you wouldnt know what people are doing, and certainly wont know if anyones dating. i guess if youre a wierdo, youre a wierdo, and it wont matter if you are a student or not. whether it's high school, or college, there will always be misfits, outcasts, and just unpopular guys. clearly, youre NOT part of the atmosphere at all. youre just a guy sitting on the sidelines, and was/is an outcast. thats why you have to do cold approach? thats sad though that you went to asu, and still got, and saw no action. i pity you
 
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@tiagomoncada you come with a lot of assumtions. I cant respond to all of them. We arent doing cold approaching because it is our only option. We are doing cold approaching to break down our walls and get more skilled socially. 40K approaches without a date sounds like some kind of robot who never adjust his approaches and never learns. Women doesnt care about looks nearly as much as men do. Its the survival of the smoothest nowadays. I havent found age to be a problem. I banged a girl 10 year younger than me last week. Didnt count it as a cold approach. It was social circle. She was also a 22 year old virgin. I also talked with a pretty girl the other day. She told me that it was the first time in her life that someone had stopped her while walking down the streets. One dude ran trough a park and told a girl that he was super into hot readheads like her. She messaged him later that night and told him that she just broke up with her boyfriend of 4 years because of that. She also told him that she had to sort things out first. In the end he helped her see her own worth just by doing that. If you do this thing right, you will make womens day.
 
that result is about the same for 99%. alot of guys dont understand that getting a number doesnt necesarily result in a date. in many ways approaching, getting a number, and no response is worse than getting no number because youve wasting your time and effort, and got your hopes up for nothing

Numbers arent worth much unless you make a solid impression on the girl so that she would actually like to meet you again. If you are some random guy she met at a club, she will get anxious and ignore you the next day. Better to take her on an instant date or something. Make something happen right away.
 
l ask alot of attractive females this very question, and alot of them tell men to say "l think youre pretty, you mind if l get your number". this actually only takes 10 seconds. l know lots of guys who talk to females for 10 minutes. then l ask them if he got a number, and he says no. so lm honstly wondering what was the point of him wasting 10 minutes talking to a female who wasnt intersted in dating him. alot of these guys will say things like "i enjoy the conversations". but if youre a man that spends 10 minutes of your time, or even 1 minute of your time talking to someone who isnt interested then it really shows that youre a low value man with no dignity, and that your time isnt worth a whole lot. lts a bit like being a salesman. a good salesman wont waste his time talking to customers who wont buy anything. as soon as someone walks in a store, he can gauge if theyre going to buy anything

This method will probably work some of the time but it is pretty invasive. You build zero trust with the girl and she has no reason to answer when you call. Unless of course she was already interested. But thats the trick. Women give out all sorts of signals if they are interested. If you suspect someone is interested, this may work. But they are probably going to think you are a coward for not asking her out then and there. Arrange a coffee date. Maybe even take her there right now unless she is busy, in which case you grab her number and arrange the date when she is free.
 
females are dating, just not dating you. look it up. only about 32% of young females are single. now bear in mind, this includes ugly females too. you can guarantee that with attractive females, it's going to be much lower, where you will see upwards of 80% of females are NOT single. and amongst college females it will be even higher simply because theyre always going to be around eligible young men.
u sound like youre so far detached from your community that you wouldnt know what people are doing, and certainly wont know if anyones dating. i guess if youre a wierdo, youre a wierdo, and it wont matter if you are a student or not. whether it's high school, or college, there will always be misfits, outcasts, and just unpopular guys. clearly, youre NOT part of the atmosphere at all. youre just a guy sitting on the sidelines, and was/is an outcast. thats why you have to do cold approach? thats sad though that you went to asu, and still got, and saw no action. i pity you

Your assumption that a weirdo is always a weirdo cant possibly be true. Dont you think you could improve your social skills by reading a book about body language? Maybe pick up "how to win friends and influence people"?. Anyone can learn to communicate better. But you have to take action. Just being book smart wont cut it.
 
and i;ll also tell u why else cold approach is a bad idea. you approach 100 females. 99 of them reject you. so now you have it in your mind that females are a threat, and theyre going to reject you. similar to how females are defensive against males because of that 1 pua who creeped her out.

obviously youre going to think females are a threat because thats the pattern here. by cold approaching, you are creating a negative image of females in your head, because before you did cold approach, you were neutral about females, now you see them as agresive, and hostile, because thats what they dispaly to you when you cold approach them. now that you think that females are hostile, you might falsely assume that a friendly female is hostile just because she is female. so you begin to develop a false negative. so now youre faced with a female who actually likes you but in your mind shes hostile and agresive because she, for no other reason than being female, reminds you of the other 99 who rejected you. chances are, youre not going to base your opinion of females based on that 1 who accepted you but the 99 who rejected you

This is a common mindset among "nice guys". You should read "No more mr nice guy". And the numbers will rarely be as bad as 99 out of 100 rejecting you. Most women are relatively polite and will engage in some small talk. Thats not a rejection. Many times in my experience, I sort of reject myself. The girl is interested but I have no clue how to push the interaction forward so I eject early. But this thing really is a skill. If you do 1000 approaches, you will be better with women. And if a woman actually likes you, she will try her best to help you succeed. She knows it takes balls to approach. Thats how this thing works. If you can take charge in a social setting, you can also take charge in the bedroom. Women want to be lead.
 
the reality of it is, the older you are, the harder it becomes, and the smaller your audience becomes. l talk to alot of young females and l always ask them their age range and it usually is about 5 yrs older, and the maximum is usually 30. there will always be females who dont mind middle age men, but l think thats very niche. you also have to remember that in the back of peoples minds will always be reproduction. when a female looks at you, shes programed to think, will this man bring me healthy offspring, and middle age men do not. same reason men generally are not interested in middle age females. if you look it up, mens sperm actually start to have problems after 25

This assumption is maybe partly true but not in my personal experience. I am 30+ and I am hitting on girls aged 19-25 on campus. If you are 30+, you need to show them that you are more experienced and mature than the 19 year old boys. If you take care of your body and work out then you are competing against them. I have built a strong body. I almost have a six pack. People can tell that I am older but they also see someone who is working on themselves. Keep in mind that age could play to your advantage. You just need to play the game differently. Plenty of women will say that 30+ is a dealbreaker but they will still bang you if they find you attractive.
 
@tiagomoncada you come with a lot of assumtions. I cant respond to all of them. We arent doing cold approaching because it is our only option. We are doing cold approaching to break down our walls and get more skilled socially. 40K approaches without a date sounds like some kind of robot who never adjust his approaches and never learns. Women doesnt care about looks nearly as much as men do. Its the survival of the smoothest nowadays. I havent found age to be a problem. I banged a girl 10 year younger than me last week. Didnt count it as a cold approach. It was social circle. She was also a 22 year old virgin. I also talked with a pretty girl the other day. She told me that it was the first time in her life that someone had stopped her while walking down the streets. One dude ran trough a park and told a girl that he was super into hot readheads like her. She messaged him later that night and told him that she just broke up with her boyfriend of 4 years because of that. She also told him that she had to sort things out first. In the end he helped her see her own worth just by doing that. If you do this thing right, you will make womens day.
im not saying youre doing cold approach is your only option, but the vast majority of guys i know who do cold approach have no options. i know a guy whos been going to college for 9yrs, yet has 0 friends from college. he works at an amazon warehouse and also has no friends from there. it's mostly cause he acts wierd and is shunned by his peers, so it forces him to do cold approach where he also finds no success. and i think here is the million dollar question. if youre not popular with your classmates, neighbors, or coworkers, then why would you be with random females in a park? and to be honest, if a female is willing to date some random guy from a park, what does that say about the female? is she high value? and if so, whys she dating a random guy from a park?

women dont care about looks or do they? sure, you see alot of attractive females married to ugly guys, but how do we know the ugly guy met her from cold approach? how do you know she didnt know him for years, and likes him because she knows his personality thoroughly? i guarantee you, 9 times out of 10, an attractive female who is dating an ugly guy has probably known the guy for a while, and it most certainly isnt from cold approach. come to think of it, i dont know any couples who met from cold approach, whether ugly or cute, and l talk to alot of couples.

the more attractive the female is, the more she will care. pay attention to the attractive females, and then look at who theyre with. 9/10 theyre with an attractive male. lm not saying that old guys cant bang young females, but they generally have that age limit in the back of their minds. as for the guy running through a park, l dont see how that is supposed to inspire anyone. he got no date out of it. she broke up with her boyfriend,, so what? why does anyone care who broke up with who. the fact is, she didnt break up with the boyfriend to be with the pua
 
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This is a common mindset among "nice guys". You should read "No more mr nice guy". And the numbers will rarely be as bad as 99 out of 100 rejecting you. Most women are relatively polite and will engage in some small talk. Thats not a rejection. Many times in my experience, I sort of reject myself. The girl is interested but I have no clue how to push the interaction forward so I eject early. But this thing really is a skill. If you do 1000 approaches, you will be better with women. And if a woman actually likes you, she will try her best to help you succeed. She knows it takes balls to approach. Thats how this thing works. If you can take charge in a social setting, you can also take charge in the bedroom. Women want to be lead.
that approach just sounds like a pushy salesman. do u think if you walk into a best buy intending on buying a toaster, and the salesman keeps telling you to buy the blue tooth headset that youll buy it? if a female tells you that she has a boyfriend, or she has to go, and you interprete that as interest, isnt that just being delusional? no more nice guy, just delusional guy?
 
This assumption is maybe partly true but not in my personal experience. I am 30+ and I am hitting on girls aged 19-25 on campus. If you are 30+, you need to show them that you are more experienced and mature than the 19 year old boys. If you take care of your body and work out then you are competing against them. I have built a strong body. I almost have a six pack. People can tell that I am older but they also see someone who is working on themselves. Keep in mind that age could play to your advantage. You just need to play the game differently. Plenty of women will say that 30+ is a dealbreaker but they will still bang you if they find you attractive.
again. im not saying that its impossible. if youre dating 19 yr olds then more power to you. im just saying that a mans chances starts to go down and he is inevitably going to face more obstacles at 30 than he is at 20 if he is cold approaching with recited lines. this is given that all things are the same and you are doing the same work out routine. i tell u. just the receding hairline alone is going to work against you. females can still go for old men but as i said, the vast majority of females are going to have an ideal male in their mind of what they want, and it;s usually young guys. just like you are focused on 19-25yr olds. this doesnt mean you wont bang a middle age chic, but you are focused on 19-25yr olds. also, most attractive females report less men approaching them after 25, why? because theyre not as attractive as they were when they were 20. same goes for men, and men too lose their looks. when youre doing a cold approach, all you can see is the females looks, and at the same time, all they can see is your looks, so the both of you only have looks to go off of, and for the vast majority of men, their looks are not going to be as good at 30 as compared to 20. and i say that the female will mostly only have looks to go off of because there isnt that much you can say in 1 minute to really make a female like you. certainly it's possible, but the liklihood is low. now keep in mind, even if a well adjusted, mentally healthy, good looking guy was doing cold approaches, his yeild would be low for the stated reasons above. now the avg pua is usually mentally ill, not handsome, and unpopular. so why would his yeild be high?

but i mean it all goes back to this question. if pick up works, then why isnt everyone doing it? certainly no one wants to be lonley
 
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