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Completely hopeless...then maybe a glimmer of hope?

Discussion in 'Partner Support' started by ameliedeb, Dec 2, 2017.

  1. ameliedeb

    ameliedeb Fapstronaut

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    Hi all, new here. I'm sorry that this is so long, I really needed to get this off my chest.

    About two hours ago, I had an epiphany that maybe my fiance has an addiction. I have been with him for four years now, and the first conversation began when I discovered he was responding to Craigslist personals. This was about three months into the relationship. He denied it at first, desperately coming up with different stories to cover up what I had discovered. I ended up staying with him even though I wasn't able to fully rationalize what he had done. Fast forward a year or two. I discovered he was still contacting women -- 4Chan, email...he was even buying porn. Had another conversation and he swore he would change. Now, four years into the relationship. I found out again, he was online, talking to women, trying to get other women to talk to him.

    We are getting married in three months and I had decided that I was done--I didn't have the emotional or mental capacity to deal with this anymore. All he had done these past four years is lie to me.

    I was heartbroken and utterly lost. But then, I did one search on Google -- porn addiction -- and I was immediately enlightened. I was sobbing - reading about other experiences and so surprised that they were almost identical to my own. Suddenly it all made sense. All the times that we had talked about not having sex anymore and he attributed it to his low testosterone problem, his denial that he would ever hurt or betray me again, his insistence that he still thought I was attractive, the defensiveness when I would ask him about porn or talking to other women...it was all a cover-up for his addiction. After some research, I am fairly certain that he is in the stages of denial and resorting to whatever it takes to protect his addiction but being able to have me as well. I am almost relieved now that I know there is hope.

    I am not sure what will happen from here. I don't know how to broach the subject. Now that I know it is a very sensitive issue and that I must be careful with how I discuss his addiction with him, I am nervous and worried. What if he chooses his addiction over me? In my heart, I know that I want to spend the rest of my life with him, and I know he feels the same way. But what if I am just grasping at straws and he really just does have a problem with me, and I'm really not good enough?

    I hope that I will find the strength and words to discuss this with him and hope desperately that he will respond positively.
     
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  2. Yanis

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    Welcome to the Nofap community.

    There is always hope.

    I am just wondering why you did find this site and not he? It seems he is not seriously looking for a change in his life. An alcohol addicted person often has to smash the bottom until he is ready to get rid of addiction. As long as your bf doesn’t make own initiative it will not be easy at all. And getting rid of PMO addiction obviously needs a lot of determination.

    Don’t fall in love, rise in love. It’s his choice to change his life. Discussion about what? That he will never lie? He already told you since years. I never was in such a relationship and it would be most helpful if other addicted persons and their partners would give you advices. A great challenge for you. Sometimes it’s better to leave a person.
     
  3. LowKeeKee

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  4. ameliedeb

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    Thank you so much for that. In my heart, I think I know my SO feels the same way and gives me hope that everything will be okay.
     
  5. LowKeeKee

    LowKeeKee Fapstronaut

    You should encourage him to join this community and read, and learn, and start a reboot ASAP
     
  6. ameliedeb

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    Thank you for the support. I am at the first stages of addiction where my SO still has not realized it may be an addiction so it is up to me to "intervene." I found this website while I was searching for answers to issues in my relationship and realized that it was an addiction. He has not found his "rock bottom" yet. So there will be a serious discussion about our future. I hope that he will choose to change his life.
     
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  7. ameliedeb

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    I will definitely! First step is finding the right, most supportive way to suggest that he has an addiction.
     
  8. Yanis

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    Maybe my words were hard for you. Usually I am commenting in „soft“ way. Hopefully the „serious discussion“ is clear enough to let your SO understand: either he quits his addiction or the relationship definitely will have an end. To me this alternative is the only solution. Your SO will be fortunate to be supported by you and the Nofap community. But it is his choice to make a honest commitment.
     
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  9. Welcome to the forum. I’m so sry that you’re going through this. You are among friends here that will give you encouragement and support. Throughout your journey please care for yourself. That is one of the most important things you can do. One thing is for sure, you do not deserve any of this and it is not your fault. There are so many helpful resources here. Try to learn as much about this addiction as possible so you are armed with information and truth. I know how difficult this is especially during the initial discovery. Hang in there and Hugs to you!
     
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  10. ameliedeb

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    I understand! Thank you. :)
     
  11. ameliedeb

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    Thanks for the kind words! I am really struggling with the "not my fault" at the moment as I feel like I just made it worse in the past when I confronted him about it angrily and made him feel like there's something wrong with him. I am going from article to article about all of this and it gives me a little hope after each one when I know recovery is possible.
     
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  12. A new day

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    I’m aghast. The behavior you described would only be acceptable if you were only dating but not committed. This is not a man who considers himself about to be married.

    I’m much more concerned about your state of mind than his. Is there some reason to keep this wedding date? I would not consider marrying a man who is cheating.

    Ask yourself why you would knowingly choose this for yourself?

    I know I’m being harsh. If I were in front of you I would shake you and beg you not to do this. I would beg you to postpone this wedding indefinitely. He would have to be in ongoing treatment for at least two years making massive progress before I would even consider it. There is no benefit to you in this. No way he could be good enough in any other way to compensate for cheating.
     
  13. Recovery is possible...it’s a process though and he has to want it and work it. Hang in there!

    But also please see what @blk45 said above. I agree with her that you need to consider if you want to marry someone who has cheated. There is a thread on here somewhere asking if you knew about the PA before getting married would you still do it. I’ll tag you if/when I find it. There might be some insight in there for you.

    As I said before please take care of you because that is the most important thing!
     
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  14. ameliedeb

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    Thank you for your genuine concern. I understand that I should not be willingly entering into a marriage where my spouse is considering cheating on me. All I can say to this is, there is a lot more to the situation than I can say in a short post. Things are not black and white. I am not marrying him unless I can see a true change. I understand that this behavior is typically not acceptable in a relationship. But can you blame a loved one for continuing to abuse alcohol? Drugs? Does an addict truly have control over their choices? If I have learned anything in this short time of knowledge and research on PA, it's that it is a true addiction and compulsion. I am choosing to seek first to understand before leaving my loved one in the dust to fend for himself. This may not mean necessarily that I am marrying him, but I will for sure support him always.
     
  15. ameliedeb

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    I understand. In regards to the marrying someone who has cheated...well I have a different definition of cheating. And while he definitely has skirted the line...I don't believe he truly has. I think if I was planning on leaving him, I would have already done it.
     
  16. Just keep in mind that being an addict is a reason but not an excuse. It is wonderful to support them IF the seek help but don’t do it at the expense of yourself and your happiness. Don’t ever settle for less than you deserve because it that is exactly what you’ll end up with! I did it for 5 hellish years and I don’t wish it on anyone. But as I said recovery is possible but he has to choose it.
     
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  17. ameliedeb

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    Yes, I was just discussing that with my friend the part about the fine line between reason and excuse. May I ask if you stayed with your SO after the five years?
     
  18. WantsToBelieve

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    As a fellow engaged woman, I feel for you so very much. Are you still wearing your engagement ring? I only ask because as a safety boundary for myself... I took mine off. For a very good while. Until I felt I could trust him again. Mostly this was because my engagement ring is a trigger for a very traumatic D-day we had. Basically I found his porn as well as the finished order for my ring at the same time on his phone. He PMO'd the night he ordered it and asked my father's permission.

    Gosh, our stories sound so similar. Though my SO has only used craigslist the one time, very recently, it's turned into a very hard boundary for me. That is so close to actually cheating that I couldn't tolerate it. That was the last straw. Now I have very strong boundaries.

    Take care of yourself okay? We are all here for each other here. Let me know if I can help with any thought processing when it comes to engagement. :emoji_purple_heart: Keep your head up, darling. We won't let you drown.
     
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  19. A new day

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    Marriage is the natural result of a commitment that two people already made deep within. There is no need for a boundary about other people.

    The couple already know that they want them be kept only for each other.

    The claim isn’t legal it’s a reality that comes from something deep within the heart.

    A woman deserves a mans unconditional commitment as a result of his unconditional love.
     
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  20. Kenzi

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    But when it's a habit he had before the marriage and he's most likely been doing it since puberty, that line is a little blurry for lots of PAs here.
    It's alot of rewiring
    Because it's a "habit" not a physical person
     

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