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Confusion about NoFap and sexual stimulus

Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by Improv3r, Oct 22, 2021.

  1. Improv3r

    Improv3r Fapstronaut

    So after going through a couple of threads and posts from fellow Fapstronauts I saw that there are people still here that have issues with sex mixed with NoFap beliefs.

    As a firm supporter that sex is always good here's my two cents on the matter:

    Yes, NoFap does come with its benefits and abstaining from PMO is encouraged!
    But to me PMO doesn't necessarily mean abstaining from all types of orgasm.
    Sex can give you an orgasm, in fact one of the best ones.
    So if you are doing it with your partner (no porn watching scenes etc. while doing it) what is the problem? Is there a problem if you ejaculate there at the spot?
    I don't get it! Isn't that the ultimate goal? Forget about PM and just do the real thing?

    Am I wrong to think that the natural order is correct? What's so scary about it?
     
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  2. I 100% agree with you. For me it comes down to 4 words, sex good. porn bad.

    I think people get scared because they think if they have sex and orgasm that ruins their PMO streak. Or it is somehow going to trigger a relapse. I've always found when I am in a relationship and having sex, the desire or interest to watch porn is gone because the real thing is so much better.
     
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  3. It is Finished

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    Really? Always good? There is never a scenario where sex isn’t a good idea?

    Look man. Ejaculating from m may be worse than ejaculating from sex, but ejaculation is ejaculation. Many of us here believe in the power of semen retention, because we’ve experienced it. That is why some choose to refrain from sex for a time, or to practice non-ejaculatory sex.

    It is not natural to be ejaculating excessively, whether through sex or not. Just think about what the purpose of ejaculation is. All actions have consequences.
     
  4. Improv3r

    Improv3r Fapstronaut

    Well even one night stand beats you beating your meat at home alone.
    Morally is bad for your soul but infinitely better than beating your meat.

    I also believe in the power of semen retention but refraining from sex...
    You are neither a boxer, an athlete or someone doing excessive sporting competitions to be refraining from sexual ejaculation.
    If you are then good for you but refraining from sex when you are young... there are plenty of years after 50-60 and down the line where you can practice monk mode all you want.

    Non-ejaculatory sex?! What the hell does that even mean?
    Have sex but at the time of ejaculation you stop yourself, put your sleepers on and watch TV with a popcorn bowl?
    It's so absurd I won't even amuse myself to answer that.

    Nobody said anything about ejaculating or having sex excessively. I was talking about this notion that sex during NoFap is scary.
    All actions have consequences but with that in mind we might as well just sit and not do anything with fear to mess up.
    Sexual ejaculation may be to give life but what... you gonna remain a virgin until you meet someone if you knew about NoFap at the start?
    Say you don't meet that person... you gonna die a virgin?

    If those notions that have been preconceived in our brains as we were growing up were true today humanity would've been on the brink of destruction.
     
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  5. JoeinUSA

    JoeinUSA Fapstronaut

    If that's what you're going for, yes fine. One might even ask in your individual case, Is MO or PMO any real problem for you, or are you just following the crowd? What do you need to do, if anything, and for your own reasons? And why?
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  6. Improv3r

    Improv3r Fapstronaut

    I am against PMO because I know what porn has done to my brain because of excessive usage as well to human interaction and brain fog constantly eroding it.
    Following a crowd religiously or almost fanatically for the sake of forgoing everything that makes you human is really not my thing.
     
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  7. DeeJ4y

    DeeJ4y Fapstronaut

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    I think that semen is only to make babies. Anything else is wasting it. In my opinion it is the only purpose of it, that is why we have sex. I think we should only have sex if having a baby is not an issue, when you are with someone you love and plan on spending the rest of your life with.
     
  8. It is Finished

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    According to what standard? A one night stand could give you an STD that ruins your sex life forever, or get a girl pregnant. That’s better than beating your beat alone at home? Besides, it doesn’t have to be about the best of 2 evils.
    First of all you have no idea what people on this site are doing in their lives.. 2nd of all it’s highly ignorant to suggest that sports would be the only reason to practice such a thing. You must be new man, ever heard of Napoleon Hill think and grow rich? Nikola tesla? I mean... semen retention and abstinence is not reserved for boxers and monks. It’s for people that want to be the best at whatever it is they do.
    Seems to be working fine for a prominent member on this site named modern milarepa who is over 500 days of no pmo.
    You said “sex is always good.” To me that sounds like have it as much as you want, whenever it’s available. My definition of excessively is probably a lot different than your definition of excessively. Nobody is afraid of sex on nofap, they simply feel amazing on a long streak, and don’t want to lose that feeling by releasing. I guess you wouldn’t understand if you’ve never been there.
    You’re the only one that keeps using the word fear. Doesn’t have anything to do with fear in my mind, rather thoughtful decision.
    I have already slept with many women in my teens and early 20s. Many many one night stands. I already know that it leads to nothing. I have real life goals to accomplish now, I don’t need to be distracted with chasing women and sex like I did from 12-24. When I feel I am more established, I will be more open to a sexual relationship, which will then require a different level of discipline then the discipline required for total abstinence. Don’t assume that everyone on this site is a virgin.
     
  9. Beekind

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    No problem if love is involved.
    The only problem i see with sex is when you use the other body to m.
    You use their bodies as tools for your own gratification.
    The goal is to master your sexuality. Being a slave to it will ruin your life and possibly your reputation.
     
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  10. Improv3r

    Improv3r Fapstronaut

    So if we have a baby with our partner we should never touch each other for the rest of our lives unless we decide to make another?
    If this is what you mean... ok...
    If I didn't understand correctly my opinion is that you can have a baby with your partner and nothing wrong to continue practicing standard sex.

    You are threading into a deep topic here. I said ONS...
    I never said you have to be dumb about it, choose a partner that has 0 hygiene, not use protection, and ruin your whole life.
    Then again... there are people with brains smaller than a nut so... I understand what you mean.

    I feel like you haven't even taken the time to read my message thoroughly. I never said anything about PRACTICE it.
    I said that competitive athletes refrain from SEXUAL ejaculation (which also includes PMO) but I was mainly talking about SEXUAL orgasm.
    Also I never said that would be the only reason - I was merely stating that refraining COMPLETELY from sex and retaining until you die to me is stupid.
    And yes I know who Napoleon Hill is, I read his work, I know of Nikola Tesla and other prominent people that were abstaining and containing their seed.
    But if you tell me that all of them didn't do anything else in their lives but straight abstain with a straight face... I would never believe it!
    Furthermore you can't base all of this research and life "secrets" let's say on a forum member with 500 days of no PMO.
    It is highly individual!

    True! I said sex is always good but never did I say EXCESSIVELY! In fact I specifically said I didn't mean that.
    I am currently abstaining from PMO and I know how I feel because as we covered already - it is highly individual.
    I used the word fear because that described to me a bit of fanatical belief that NoFap is a magic thing to fix up your life which is not!
    NoFap is something that guides you and helps you to channel your inner energies to better yourself but creating opportunities depends on you as a person.
    Plus thoughtful decision is one thing... religiously believing it will magically help is not. That's why us humans are also granted with logic compared to animals.

    Good for you! As did I and I know how filthy I felt with some of my ONS. Nobody also said you have to be distracted which chasing women.
    Chasing women is also a topic we don't need to explore here because it contains other elements of the human psyche as well as sense of when to let go something pointless.
    Also I completely agree with that last statement - feeling established is also something I strive for.
    With the slight difference that when I do and if I am in a successful relationship I wish to explore and utilize with measure.

    I never said that mate. You turned all defensive on me like I called you that which I didn't.
    It was hypothetical sentence which I guess you considered offensive for no reason.

    Couldn't have said it better myself!
     
  11. DeeJ4y

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    You can have sex even if you are not planning on having a kid. You can have a kid if you have sex. If this fact is okay with both of you, having sex is okay. It is highly possible to have a baby when having sex if they are not using protection. I do not think that we should use protection. Then it is wasting semen. Hope this clears up what I meant.
     
  12. Improv3r

    Improv3r Fapstronaut

    It is a waste true but without wanting to sound too filthy there are other places it can go so it is not... complete waste let's say.
    Also not using protection means that there's a high chance of getting pregnant regularly.
    Unless of course you are both careful in which case we go back to what I said earlier or you sterilize (vasectomize) yourself and you can do it freely.
    Yeah I get you now.
     
  13. It is Finished

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    You fool... you can not judge whether a person has STD or not based on their appearance. If you go around having one night stands because you think its better than masturbating at home, you are setting yourself up for the potential of bigger problems that don't come from m.
    Practicing semen retention is just another word for doing it. I have no idea what point you're trying to make.
    You are arguing against something that very very few people have said. Who said to do such a thing?
    You accused me of not reading your message properly, and yet you keep arguing against things that I or no one else has said. I specifically said semen retention is for people that want to be the best at whatever it is they do.
    You underestimate the intellect of people who have real experience with nofap and semen retention. If people believe it will "magically help" then that's probably because they have experienced profound effects in their life. You are not in a position to deny their experience and tell them how to think about nofap. In fact, I would liek to know how long you've been doing nofap semen retention and what your longest streak was.
    I turned "defensive" because you keep making up stupid, irrelevant hypothetical scenarios to try and justify your point. You are arguing against a ghost right now.
     
  14. "It ain't real? No deal." Good motto to live by, keeps you grounded on reality.
     
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  15. Improv3r

    Improv3r Fapstronaut

    Am I really? Or am I arguing with someone that gets offended at every single statement and resorts to use offensive language as if we know each other for years.

    That to me sounds like you have no experience in ONS and any experience in careful judgement in such situations for that matter.
    You don't even know the women I have slept with nor their lifestyle. Everyone has a head on their shoulders. How they are using it is another matter.
    If we take your sentence and spin it we can apply it to almost anything really - if you cannot judge right don't do it... what?!

    I was never arguing against anything. I simply started a thread and gave my two cents on the matter.
    You came in here all offended about my opinion and started blasting everything I have said as an opinion.
    What could've been a normal discussion turned into a battlefield with offensive words being thrown left and right.
    You need to get that checked by a trained professional my dude.

    And what? You want me to take quotes from all the people on the forum?
    I would love to but my time is taken explaining to your offended angry mind what I am trying to say in each of my messages.
    I feel like I try to dissect everything so you understand... and even then probably it will be slightly and in need of more explanation.

    True! I completely agree! Semen retention is for people that want to be the best at whatever is they do.
    But again, how do you know who said what? Oh wait I have to get back at scouring the forum so I can gather all the messages you need my bad...

    My streak is open to you and everyone else in the forum. I am not underestimating anything like I said above.
    It is extremely interesting to me what justification you can muster about streak and the prolonged effects of it that matter in our conversation.
    I am in high anticipation to see what you will come up with that is backed by science, something academic or if we are just going to go hocus pocus on it.

    In fact it is another reason for me to believe that you really never fully read what I am trying to say and just spout out nonsense.
    I said that NoFap is a guide or a channel and creating opportunities depends on you but I guess it's hard for you to understand.
    You can turn "defensive" as many times as you want it. It seems to me you are the one arguing with a ghost.
     
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  16. It is Finished

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    Go read the entire discussion again. You are the one acting like a snowflake.
    We could have had a normal discussion when you said something like this? In what normal discussion does someone make a joke about a serious topic, and refuse to hear an answer about it? It seems you lack self-awareness my friend.
    Maybe it's because english isn't your first language, that you have such a problem with reading comprehension. Can you point to where I said you should not have sex or one night stands? No you can't, because I never said that. I simply said there are risks associated with it, that are not associated with masturbation. To me, it sounds like you have no understanding of how STD's are transmitted.
    Again, I asked you how long you have been on nofap and SR, and what your *longest* streak was. That means how many years you have been trying to do nofap, and what your highest streak is, not your current one. IF this is the first streak you've ever done and you're only on day 9, then that explains your incredible ignorance on this topic.
     
  17. Improv3r

    Improv3r Fapstronaut

    Mate I was looking for a good term to describe you but nothing came to mind yet you popped up with exactly how you behave in this entire discussion...

    Hold on... Non-ejaculatory sex is a serious topic? If people think this way now I know why the world is rapidly regressing.
    If you go looking for self-awareness to such topics then I have bad news for you.
    As to why I didn't want to amuse this with an answer...

    EDIT: Edging during sex is fine by me and the only form I think is fine until you release later.
    Refraining completely and stopping right then and there is not.
    That's even unhealthy.

    You don't know the first thing about me yet you presume to know my education.
    Yes you said that you did ONS, but also yes I think you don't have the slightest clue what you are talking about.
    If you did you would know that you can have completely safe ONS with a person. If you can't eyeball the right person and you did it with risky ones fine.
    Risky or not it is like I said everyone has a head on their shoulder.


    Is it now?
    Ok wise guy show me everyone that made 50-100-500-1000 days counters and let me know how profound they have become compared to someone who has a lower streak.
    The 500-1000 days guys are for sure more stoic in their independence of porn but they can also slip up once.
    For sure they may have benefits that allow them to live a better life or they can live a bad one nobody knows.
    Apart from that what else? Like I said before you can't back up this with anything really and bringing this into the conversation brings absolute 0 value.

    Given what you said and how I shouldn't express an opinion we might as well close off this forum and just open 1 thread so we can all cheer ourselves to do better.
    That will work!
     
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  18. It is Finished

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    Everyone pay no attention to this fool, he thinks his opinion is relevant, despite the fact he is on day 9 of the first streak he's ever done. He want's scientific explanations rather than advice from people on 1000+ days of nofap :emoji_joy:
     
  19. Improv3r

    Improv3r Fapstronaut

    Ah yes the hocus pocus strikes again. Let's close this off shall we.
     
  20. Akanni

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    Really!!!
     
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