Curing PIED - do not overthink

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Keepitsimple1989

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Hi all,

thought I would share ways that have worked for me getting over PIED and what I have observed from people trying to recover.

I will start with the below because people are going to ask “but how sever were you?” Or “how long did you PMO?” Or “what type of porn we’re watching?”

I am 35

started PMO at age 15 (20 years PMO)

would PMO 2 times a day

Each PMO between 2-3 hours

watched all kinds of porn from soft to extreme

Couldn’t get hard with real woman and porn

I am 100 days into PM (notice I did not mention O, this is very important)

No morning wood

I would see many posts of people commenting about “what is considered a relapse” and many comments ranging from “looking at attractive women in the real world slows down your reboot” to “wet dreams is considered a relapse”.

I didn’t focus on any of this because I truly believe most people are no longer suffering from PIED but rather performance anxiety because they keep repeating in their head “am I healed?” And “did I do it properly?” And “what if I don’t perform?”.


The way I did it was by simply saying “I’m not going to masterbate and no more porn”. Very simple. The reason why I didn’t include “orgasm” is because I believe it is insane to believe you can recover without rewiring. It’s like driving a Manuel car, if I haven’t driven Manuel in 15 years, I can’t just stop driving automatic and watch someone drive Manuel and expect to drive at 100 percent my first go, I need get the muscle memory back and allow my brain to remember how I use to drive Manuel.

all I simply did was avoid porn and no longer masterbated and sleep with women any chance I had after a few weeks. The first few times I failed, but every time i improved more and more to the point I now have sex as if I was 20 years old again.

I will mention again, I had all the traits of sever PIED. I had been PMO’ing for 20 years. Couldn’t get an erection with real women and porn. Watched hours a day and PMO’d twice a day. Watched extreme form of porn.

as of today (100 days of no PM) I have had sex probably around 25 times. The first 4 times I failed but after that I never failed and only got better. Now I can have sex anytime I want, any position I want, and get aroused and hard by simple touching and kissing, and here’s the part people will ask, yes, I stay hard the entire time during foreplay and during sex.

the idea that someone can rewire and reboot without having sex is insane in my opinion. Abstaining from sex and orgasm is the main reason why a lot of people are still on a 500 day streak of PMO and believe they can’t have sex. This creates performance anxiety and any little hiccup they will believe it is because of a relapse that never happened and create even more sever performance anxiety.

I will also mention the below because I know this will get asked

I had sex over 25 times

I slept with multiple women, not just one

I used a condom every single time

None of the women I slept with were escorts.

my advise is simple, stop masterbating and stop watching porn, and I promise it will only get better but you MUST have sex and keep having sex as it will improve in time.

I will also add the below because this seems to be things people will bring up

I get morning wood every morning again (full strength)

I fantasise about women I have slept with and it never affected the reboot. Why? Because I’m not fantasising about “made belief” women and situations. I fantasise about my real life experiences with the women I slept with.

I also check out women in real life

I look at women who have attractive photos

I watch movies with kissing scenes

the the reason I am telling you all this is because I believe more people would heal if they avoid PM and still O with a real woman.

I hope this helps everyone, I will also mention again all this has been achieved in 100 days of no PM. Don’t overthink, just avoid PM and it will sort itself out but it is essential you sleep with a real woman In order to rewire.
 
Keepitsimple1989 said:
the the reason I am telling you all this is because I believe more people would heal if they avoid PM and still O with a real woman.
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If I could regularly O with a real woman, I would not need the P or the M ;) but thats just me...I'm definitely more "sober" when getting regular monkey lovin' and the ooga booga boingy boingy. however, that doesnt help reset my broken dopamine system or help me as a sex addict at all...

still, an interesting take to read. Always helpful to know what works for some people.
 
@cleaningupmyact i understand where you are coming from brother. Believe me, I couldn’t O with a woman and that’s why i would also P and M in order to O.

I started to think “why is this happening”. This was going on for years with me, until I started to think about negative things I could be doing and the first thing I thought about was porn. I knew porn had to be linked to it. The moment I read up on it and found out what it was doing for me, I gave it up instantly.

I tried with women for years before I stopped P and M and could never get it up and could never O. This happened for years.

If you want to give it a try, I would highly advise it, it’s even more simple as you don’t have to overthink about anything. Just stop P and M and after a few weeks, try with a woman. Will you fail in the beginning? 100 percent you will. Will it get better time goes on? 100 percent it will.

you can’t O and reverse PIED without the most important part which is rewiring. In order to rewire, you need to get your brain use to the real thing which is sex with a woman. This will also start to regulate your dopamine.

as of now, I don’t have anymore urges. I don’t think about porn or masturbation. If I compare real sex to porn as of today, it isn’t even a contest. I am way more aroused by the idea of real sex than porn and masturbation.

I hope this thread gets more people seeing it. I truly believe people are stuck with PIED because they go “monk mode” for like 300 days and not do the most important part of a reboot which is rewiring. People need to just keep it simple and not over think this.
 
Keepitsimple1989 said:
@cleaningupmyact i understand where you are coming from brother. Believe me, I couldn’t O with a woman and that’s why i would also P and M in order to O.

I started to think “why is this happening”. This was going on for years with me, until I started to think about negative things I could be doing and the first thing I thought about was porn. I knew porn had to be linked to it. The moment I read up on it and found out what it was doing for me, I gave it up instantly.

I tried with women for years before I stopped P and M and could never get it up and could never O. This happened for years.

If you want to give it a try, I would highly advise it, it’s even more simple as you don’t have to overthink about anything. Just stop P and M and after a few weeks, try with a woman. Will you fail in the beginning? 100 percent you will. Will it get better time goes on? 100 percent it will.

you can’t O and reverse PIED without the most important part which is rewiring. In order to rewire, you need to get your brain use to the real thing which is sex with a woman. This will also start to regulate your dopamine.

as of now, I don’t have anymore urges. I don’t think about porn or masturbation. If I compare real sex to porn as of today, it isn’t even a contest. I am way more aroused by the idea of real sex than porn and masturbation.

I hope this thread gets more people seeing it. I truly believe people are stuck with PIED because they go “monk mode” for like 300 days and not do the most important part of a reboot which is rewiring. People need to just keep it simple and not over think this.
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Of course you're doing great, but what if a lot of people don't have libido after 100+ days and don't get a dick at all?
Your advice will not help here in any way.
Judging from your logic, have people been in flat lines for years because they haven't reconnected to a live partner?
This is nonsense.
 
kenwood said:
Of course you're doing great, but what if a lot of people don't have libido after 100+ days and don't get a dick at all?
Your advice will not help here in any way.
Judging from your logic, have people been in flat lines for years because they haven't reconnected to a live partner?
This is nonsense.
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hey mate, just here to help.

I had the exact same issues you mentioned above. I had absolutely no libido. I had all the traits of sever PIED.

all I am saying is a lot of people put soo much focus on what constitutes a “relapse” that it prevents them from rewiring. It also creates a mindset sometimes that by abstaining from everything, this will solve the problem. It cant be solved u less you rewire your brain with the real act of sex. Going “monk mode” isn’t ideal in my opinion because you are avoiding orgasm which is instrumental to rewiring. You can’t get “healed” by just avoiding sex entirely.

the reason I listed all the issues I had is to show what I reversed. In the beginning a failed multiple times during sex. Couldn’t get hard. Couldn’t organs with a woman. This went on for years before I stoped porn and masturbation. I tried while avoiding PM and a failed a few times in the beginning, however the more I did it the better it got and became what it is right now.

I also experienced a flatline in the beginning, my penis was shriveled up and lifeless, had no libido and absolutely no desire for sex.

I’m here showing you a success story. Rather than say “this won’t help anyone” why not allow some people to try it?

soo many people in these threads have performance anxiety because they fear “if they have been healed” and “if they orgasm does it mean they have to restart the reboot”. If you fail, don’t over think it. Just avoid P and M and keep trying with a woman.

basically, what you are telling me is if someone gave me the advise I am now giving, I shouldn’t take it because it “won’t help” yet I am an example of this working.

point out to me where I didn’t display “sever PIED” and I will be glad to elaborate
 
Keepitsimple1989 said:
hey mate, just here to help.

I had the exact same issues you mentioned above. I had absolutely no libido. I had all the traits of sever PIED.

all I am saying is a lot of people put soo much focus on what constitutes a “relapse” that it prevents them from rewiring. It also creates a mindset sometimes that by abstaining from everything, this will solve the problem. It cant be solved u less you rewire your brain with the real act of sex. Going “monk mode” isn’t ideal in my opinion because you are avoiding orgasm which is instrumental to rewiring. You can’t get “healed” by just avoiding sex entirely.

the reason I listed all the issues I had is to show what I reversed. In the beginning a failed multiple times during sex. Couldn’t get hard. Couldn’t organs with a woman. This went on for years before I stoped porn and masturbation. I tried while avoiding PM and a failed a few times in the beginning, however the more I did it the better it got and became what it is right now.

I also experienced a flatline in the beginning, my penis was shriveled up and lifeless, had no libido and absolutely no desire for sex.

I’m here showing you a success story. Rather than say “this won’t help anyone” why not allow some people to try it?

soo many people in these threads have performance anxiety because they fear “if they have been healed” and “if they orgasm does it mean they have to restart the reboot”. If you fail, don’t over think it. Just avoid P and M and keep trying with a woman.

basically, what you are telling me is if someone gave me the advise I am now giving, I shouldn’t take it because it “won’t help” yet I am an example of this working.

point out to me where I didn’t display “sever PIED” and I will be glad to elaborate
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Perhaps this will help someone, but the reason for the flat line and pied is not the absence of a sexual partner.
Even just without sex and stimulation, a healthy brain should not experience these symptoms.
And what to do with those people who have been trying sex for years and getting orgasms, and standing still… they don't give the brain a break from orgasms.
 
kenwood said:
Perhaps this will help someone, but the reason for the flat line and pied is not the absence of a sexual partner.
Even just without sex and stimulation, a healthy brain should not experience these symptoms.
And what to do with those people who have been trying sex for years and getting orgasms, and standing still… they don't give the brain a break from orgasms.
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I’ll try my best to explain my position.

You are correct, these are not natural symptoms the brain should be receiving. However this is due to unnatural things we have done to our brain.

porn and masturbation is not natural, orgasm however, is natural.

People who are married have sex multiple times a week. People in relationships have sex multiple times a week. The brain doesn’t need a break from orgasms, it needs a break from unnatural stimulants like porn and masturbation. The orgasm isn’t the problem, the problem is HOW you orgasm.

when I set out this path, I didn’t put an expectation on having an “orgasm” or “full erection”. My expectation was “the more I rewrire with natural stimulants and dopamine release, the better my dopamine will regulate.

Keep in mind, I had been PMO’ing for 20 years brother, almost as long as you have been alive on this earth. I use to masturbate twice a day, each session 2-3 hours. So basically, I would PMO between 4-6 hours daily.

A massive contributor to ED at a young age is performance anxiety which is brought on by PIED. A lot of people suffer with this because all they can think about it “does my penis work yet?” “What if it doesn’t?” “What if I can’t perform?” “What if I can’t orgasm” “what if I can’t stay erect?”. All I am saying is people create their own fears sometimes, and by over thinking the entire process, they only end up making the situation worse.

my advise is to avoid P and M entirely, never go back to it because it is unnatural for the pleasure centre of your brain. Find a woman at some point when you avoid PMO and start trying to O with a woman in order to rewire and your pleasure centre will start to normalise itself. Even if you fail, that’s ok, I failed many time in the beginning
 
Keepitsimple1989 said:
I’ll try my best to explain my position.

You are correct, these are not natural symptoms the brain should be receiving. However this is due to unnatural things we have done to our brain.

porn and masturbation is not natural, orgasm however, is natural.

People who are married have sex multiple times a week. People in relationships have sex multiple times a week. The brain doesn’t need a break from orgasms, it needs a break from unnatural stimulants like porn and masturbation. The orgasm isn’t the problem, the problem is HOW you orgasm.

when I set out this path, I didn’t put an expectation on having an “orgasm” or “full erection”. My expectation was “the more I rewrire with natural stimulants and dopamine release, the better my dopamine will regulate.

Keep in mind, I had been PMO’ing for 20 years brother, almost as long as you have been alive on this earth. I use to masturbate twice a day, each session 2-3 hours. So basically, I would PMO between 4-6 hours daily.

A massive contributor to ED at a young age is performance anxiety which is brought on by PIED. A lot of people suffer with this because all they can think about it “does my penis work yet?” “What if it doesn’t?” “What if I can’t perform?” “What if I can’t orgasm” “what if I can’t stay erect?”. All I am saying is people create their own fears sometimes, and by over thinking the entire process, they only end up making the situation worse.

my advise is to avoid P and M entirely, never go back to it because it is unnatural for the pleasure centre of your brain. Find a woman at some point when you avoid PMO and start trying to O with a woman in order to rewire and your pleasure centre will start to normalise itself. Even if you fail, that’s ok, I failed many time in the beginning
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You also masturbate to extreme porn if your penis is limp as if it went into a flat line before you started abstinence extreme porn also stopped exciting you
 
I'm in a similar situation to you, I'm 30 years old and I've been watching porn for 15 years. I have been struggling with addiction for two/three years, I haven't watched porn for 110 days, but I still have PIED, I want to try your way and have sex with women. I always do it this way: I have sex and when I'm about to have an orgasm, I pull out my penis and finish with my hand outside the woman at the final . Do you think it's okay or is it better to have an orgasm in a woman to cure PIED? (I know there are condoms, but even with a condom, I preferred to finish outside the woman to be 100% sure that there would be no pregnancy because condoms can break)
 
Keepitsimple1989 said:
I truly believe people are stuck with PIED because they go “monk mode” for like 300 days and not do the most important part of a reboot which is rewiring. People need to just keep it simple and not over think this.
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I hear ya man, but recovery is not a one-size-fits-all. It's not like were out here turning down healthy sex with a wife / gf all day long just to be in "monk mode."

What I see more often than not, is people OBSESSING about their PIED. Absolutely obsessed with it. and their wounded "manhood." Meanwhile, they havent gone even 90 days of no PMO.

Im at a few weeks sobriety and I already have a little bit of pp function back. It's not rocket science to me. I need to get a long sober streak before I date again, for myself and the other person. But that's just me.

You got a wife to shack up with and "rewire" - go for it bro lol.
 
Polandtomasz said:
I'm in a similar situation to you, I'm 30 years old and I've been watching porn for 15 years. I have been struggling with addiction for two/three years, I haven't watched porn for 110 days, but I still have PIED, I want to try your way and have sex with women. I always do it this way: I have sex and when I'm about to have an orgasm, I pull out my penis and finish with my hand outside the woman at the final . Do you think it's okay or is it better to have an orgasm in a woman to cure PIED? (I know there are condoms, but even with a condom, I preferred to finish outside the woman to be 100% sure that there would be no pregnancy because condoms can break)
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You have reached a state where porn does not excite you and you masturbate if your penis is limp
 
cleaningupmyact said:
I hear ya man, but recovery is not a one-size-fits-all. It's not like were out here turning down healthy sex with a wife / gf all day long just to be in "monk mode."

What I see more often than not, is people OBSESSING about their PIED. Absolutely obsessed with it. and their wounded "manhood." Meanwhile, they havent gone even 90 days of no PMO.

Im at a few weeks sobriety and I already have a little bit of pp function back. It's not rocket science to me. I need to get a long sober streak before I date again, for myself and the other person. But that's just me.

You got a wife to shack up with and "rewire" - go for it bro lol.
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hey mate,

understand your perspective, however I have seen people post saying “I really want to sleep with my wife/gf but have committed to semen retention”. I’m not saying all do this, but I have seen posts like this from many individuals.

the unfortunate reality is most people with think heavily about their PIED because they just want to have successful sex. There are other benefits that come by giving up PM such as time which allows you to take up more hobbies, however at the end of it all, most people care about successful sex.

I still believe most people over complicate things because the are soo invested in nofap that everything becomes paranoia. The biggest paranoia is orgasm. A lot of people post “No PMO” but orgasm honestly isn’t the issue.
 
Tvgdhsh said:
How often have you had wet dreams during your journey?
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I didn’t have wet dreams because I contributed to try to have sex until I was able to successfully have sex.

brother, you are too focused on wet dreams. Having wet dreams is like going to the bathroom to pee, you can’t stop wet dreams, it is your biology. You also can’t “control” how often you have wet dreams, everyone is different even if they have never watched porn or masturbated.

stop thinking about wet dreams, wet dreams are not the issue
 
Polandtomasz said:
I'm in a similar situation to you, I'm 30 years old and I've been watching porn for 15 years. I have been struggling with addiction for two/three years, I haven't watched porn for 110 days, but I still have PIED, I want to try your way and have sex with women. I always do it this way: I have sex and when I'm about to have an orgasm, I pull out my penis and finish with my hand outside the woman at the final . Do you think it's okay or is it better to have an orgasm in a woman to cure PIED? (I know there are condoms, but even with a condom, I preferred to finish outside the woman to be 100% sure that there would be no pregnancy because condoms can break)
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Hey mate,

finishing outside I don’t believe is an issue. I believe porn and masturbation are the only issue to any ED (assuming the individual has no mental/health issues).

when you say you still have PIED, what is the issues? Are you struggling to get erect?
 
Guys this may sound extreme but we really should cut our internet connections at home. Use internet only for work/study purposes. You can download your movies/series to your laptop when you have connection.
 
gordonfreeman14603 said:
Guys this may sound extreme but we really should cut our internet connections at home. Use internet only for work/study purposes. You can download your movies/series to your laptop when you have connection.
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each to their own, if it’s a temporary solution that’s ok, however is this is a permanent decision then I don’t agree with it.

You won’t be tackling the issue because you won’t be able to avoid real life triggers forever, they are everywhere.
 
Keepitsimple1989 said:
each to their own, if it’s a temporary solution that’s ok, however is this is a permanent decision then I don’t agree with it.

You won’t be tackling the issue because you won’t be able to avoid real life triggers forever, they are everywhere.
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But you can decimate them to atoms. Believe me, my job is all about computers and if I can do it, everybody can.
 
gordonfreeman14603 said:
But you can decimate them to atoms. Believe me, my job is all about computers and if I can do it, everybody can.
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what I am trying to say is it can only be a temporary solution. At some point you will have to face the issue head on.

I’ll give you an example, I am currently travelling overseas. Women, parlours, sexual temptations are all around me, these could all be triggers and no “internet blocking” will permanently resolve the core of the issue.

what I am trying to say is, if internet blocking helps in the biggening of the addiction, that’s fine, however if this is designed as a “permanent” solution, then you will never fully be able to handle other “triggers” down the line
 
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