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David J. Ley Ph.D is a fraud who’s goal is to harm us

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Deleted Account, Nov 30, 2018.

  1. Look him up on Google or Twitter and read all of his rantings about how wonderful porn is and how there’s absolutely no such thing as porn addiction. There’s others like him and they actually have the nerve to call themselves scientists. If porn addiction isn’t real then why are millions upon millions of teens and young men developing crippling ED and other sexual dysfunctions? Are we all just imagining that we are addicted and thus our dicks just stop working?

    I am so angry at these people I can barely think right now.
     
  2. Mckell

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    Yes. Unfortunate. We are in the same place with porn that we were with cigarettes in the 1940’s. Into the 1980’s, even in the face of overwhelming evidence of the massive health risks associated with smoking, there were industry connected “experts” who refuted ANY connection. The monetary stakes are enormous for the world wide porn industry so never expect any kind of mea culpa from them. Also, being an “expert” with an opinion and agenda for hire can be extremely lurcrative. Especially if the industry you’re defending is dripping cash. Don’t get too upset by this parasite
     
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  3. Mckell

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    It’s going to take a heck of a PR person to come up with a slogan that will override “ Porn-We’ll Make Your Dick Stop Working!”
     
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  4. I know I shouldn’t but with people like this out there it only prolongs suffering and encourages other people to fall in the porn trap. It’s beyond disgusting. He might as well be on TV talking about the virtues of crack.
     
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    The so-called “doctor” blocked me after I called him out on his bullshit. These scumbags should not be allowed to spread their lies, they need to be called out.
     
  6. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/experts/david-j-ley-phd

    Since he blocked me from his Twitter page I hunted down this guy on another site. They allow you to send messages to the “doctor” so I did. This is what I said:

    “You can’t debunk porn addiction because it’s real, I’m living proof of it. You going to “debunk” evolution and the moon landings next? Maybe you’ll debunk the idea that Earth is a globe and finally prove that it’s flat. As long as you perpetuate the lie that porn addiction doesn’t exist you will always be a fraud. Stop being a dinosaur and get with the times, your scientific views on porn are dangerously wrong.”
     
    1. First they ignore you
    2. Then they laugh at you
    3. Then they fight you
    4. Then you win
    - commonly misattributed to Mohandas Ghandi (see here )

    That asshole has promoted us to step 3.

    "Can a man have good sexuality if he has self-induced impotence ?"

    Except for thousands of young, healthy guys who had terrible ED until they subtracted one thing from their lives: PMO

    He's terrified - I can smell the fear.

    And well he should be: Gary Wilson dismantles him here: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/rel...ust-rely-on-good-science-in-porn-debate-2016/
     
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  8. FoundTheFreedom

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    First, you are giving them the power to overwhelm you with anger. Secondly, porn itself isn't bad but those of us who are addicted to and misuse it, are the ones who are suffering. Porn is not solely responsible for our addictions. WE ARE. We must take ownership and responsibility as well. The only time porn is a problem is when we use it and masturbate in place of all other responsibilities and relationships. When it becomes an addiction, that is the problem. Just like alcohol. If you have a glass of wine each night with dinner and no more, it's fine If you are getting wasted every day, that's when you are addicted.

    The only porn I object to is kiddie porn, snuff porn, and animal abuse porn. All of that does not need to be online or available anywhere. As far as I know, those are illegal.

    As for other porn, we need to stop blaming porn solely for our addictions. WE are part of the problem as well. I will end with this: when most of the audience is gone, you will see the availability of porn lessen maybe to the point of being gone. This is what I know and I'm sticking to it.
     
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    By the way, I'm working on a few mental (trauma) issues but I expect that to be resolved in a couple of months. As soon as I have a day where I have some free time, I will look up these "experts" and engage them in a conversation. I do not hope to sway them but I do hope to offer them another perspective they may not have noticed. Experts do not have ALL the information and they base their conclusions on the information they have. All they need to do to expand their perception of this problem is for someone to open their minds up to other possibilities.
     
  10. Overforme

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    Makes you wonder if this doctor isn't that dumb since he knows how stupid a lot of people are. What I mean is, he knows porn is bad, but wants to justify it's use for hard addicts. I can't believe people are actually reading this book. They must actually be in the denial phase of their addiction still. This moron taps right into the denial market and gets the addicts in deeper. Maybe he's a mole working on behalf of the porn industry for some of the big companies. What a loser.
     
  11. Fantasia

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    The doctor caste is accomplice of the disease of porn in humanity.
     
  12. smh_fam

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    If someone is really supporting porn that much, it's always possible that they themselves are addicted to it but are in denial.

    "I-It's totally natural guys! My genitals aren't functioning either but I'm okay with it! N-no really!"

    Don't worry about it bros.
     
  13. Fantasia

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    Yes that's right and can be applyed to the Medical caste since they are humans and not Gods and we can't see them with that kind of divinization we apply to them.
     
  14. kropo82

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    We should also entertain the possibility that he's not a "parasite", "beyond disgusting", "so called 'doctor'", "scumbag", "asshole", "terrified", a "sicko", "unethical", "unprofessional", a "moron", an "idiot", "addicted", an "accomplice", a "defaming douche bag", etc. (lifting quotes from this thread), but is just wrong.

    There are lots of people who disagree with me about important stuff.

    Personally I think porn addiction will prove to be like cigarette smoking was, and the people defending porn now will look seriously misguided in 20 years time, but perhaps I am wrong. His attitude and style are deeply annoying to those of us struggling with this addiction, but let's stay focused on staying off porn and helping others do the same.
     
  15. we should just tune out the naysayers and focus on our recovery
     
  16. I think language that vilifies someone can be used against others and make NoFap seem angry, troubled or just too defensive.
    Modern pornography (especially when used by people way under the age of sexual consent) is strange and I think will be seen as a problem in the future, but Western society isn't there yet.
    As for his credentials, he probably is a genuine PhD, therefore a doctor, but I'm not sure if psychology is a full science like geology. Maybe more a social science and therefore more likely to be influenced by current ideologies and fashions.
    I think one of his points is that NoFap doesn't have much scientific literature yet, which is a fair point, and this may well change in time.
    And yes the adult industry (porn, prostitution, stripping, cam girls..) will of course agree with him.
     
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  17. IR254

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    As much as I have a distaste for David Ley, his nonsensical statements, his obnoxious way of "debating" and his way of behaving in general (in so far as I observed it), I think insulting him does a disservice to NoFap and other Pornfree movements. It can easily be used to misrepresent & discredit NoFap as hostile and extremist, which it is not. I think we do best if we stay civil and share our message in a respectful manner. Also, I think we are better of if we just focus on our recovery and don't even pay attention to people like him; I mean, does it matter what he thinks? We know it's not the truth. Isn't that enough?
     
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