Difference between masturbation with and without pornography

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Nuihere, Apr 18, 2019.

  1. DAMN.

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    what about mastubating once a week because you want to stay off porn
     
  2. PasterofMuppets

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    If one's not aware of his sexual being and identity (well no one knows, I guess, but at least if you know the direction it's going to), which literally translates into NOT KNOWING WHO YOU ARE, it's easy to fall for porn addiction and it can get very hard to separate and know the difference between the two things, the two very ideas of masturbating and watching porn, which are the polar opposite of each other, which then leads to shaming and being afraid of masturbation, which is an extremely dangerousand harmful concept and it can lead to the darkest depths of porn addiction. Feeling sick after having beat one WITHOUT PORN is really fucking bad, it's one of the lowest points porn can get you.
    Masturbating is like Coca leaves, you know? Populations who were born around coca plants always consumed them in various forms through the day, they're part of their diet, and no one's was a coke fiend there, right? Porn is no less than crack cocaine then.
    It's a beautiful mechanism nature gave us. It is one of the few things we can do that's both pleasurable and good for us. Why would I need to ruin that with porn, taking away all that's good about it, I really don't know
     
  3. j0rdi3

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    Lol. Why be so dramatic? Come off it. You're arguing why beating your meat is somehow beneficial. Those who believe its a wonderful thing will continue to jack it, and those of us that have realized how pointless it is will reap the benefits of self-restraint making love to beautiful women instead of merely our own hands.
     
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  4. PasterofMuppets

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    Except - making love to a woman or not has nothing to do with how much you beat your meat.
     
  5. PasterofMuppets

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    Saying that masturbating is healthy is biologically true. Animals do it, we've always done it. Nobody evercomplained.
    However Porn is completely fucking destructive, and if your relationship with your sexuality has been altered and damaged by it, then it usually gets to a point where masturbating by itself becomes a complex instance and should be avoided for some time.
    I don't ever drink a drop of alcohol but I recognize that wine, GOOD wine (which is now impossible to find anywhere but in an independent farm owned by someone you trust, anything you buy on a shelf is NOT wine nowadays), is a delicacy for those who enjoy it and It can be seen as food and even a regar part of a meal. But people often happen to drink too much, and they'll get sick off it for quite some time, in fact some might not be able to enjoyt it anymore for the rest of their lives.
     
  6. Timber

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    I don’t profess to know the answer. I’m working on my hard reset and I’m almost two months in. So, I’m really just a newbie.

    I think a reset is needed to gain some objective truth about the self.

    My thoughts on your issue at this point are as follows. I tried M once a week or once every two weeks without P. That would work for a bit - a few months or so - and then i would go back to P. I think it’s just the nature of pleasure - the pleasure you seek is always a moving target.

    That’s just me. I love pleasure. And in many ways it’s been my religion to follow pleasure. I now see a value in stopping this.
     
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  7. TimeToQuitNow

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    Some people abstain from porn only, other masturbation and porn, and some PMO. But it's up to you. Personally I think masturbation is unnecessary and I'm trying to quit. But it is 1000000 times better than watching porn though I think both are bad. I don't have another sexual outlet (no wife or woman) but I'm ok with that.

    Also if you have a girlfriend why do you need to masturbate? Aren't you having sex with her regularly? Just curious, not judging.
     
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  8. I don't know how many times do I need to tell people that MASTURBATION WITH OR WITHOUT PORN IS EQUALLY BAD!

    Take porn as shlt and masturbation as the paper you used.
    ARE YOU GOING TO FLUSH SHlT ONLY AND KEEP THE PAPER? VICE VERSA, SO JUST DON't FREAKIN FAP!
     
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  9. Nuihere

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    Yeah i Have sex two or three times a week . But i still want to M sometimes when i'm alone. Less than when i was single but still. What i did so far is :
    1) 14 days without P
    2) I M once in 14 days

    I feel ok about it but i think i need to abstain from P for a much longer time to see the good effects (if there are any for me).
     
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  10. Nuihere

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    This is your point of view. I do not agree. Everyone should find their own solution to their problems.
     
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  11. well yes, you can disagree, but I personally think that will make your recovery journey longer and harder in a way... Good luck
     
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  12. j0rdi3

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    "Believing is half of healing" is right. You're taking the long way around the block when you could be taking the shortcut. But that's okay, you'll find your way there eventually.
     
  13. PasterofMuppets

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    I get finding it vain and unnecessary, I don't shame anyone for wanting not to masturbate, but comparing natural self-induced sexual stimulation with viewing literal abuse on tape is just not equal. In any way you can put it.
     
  14. Timber

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    I find this thread fascinating. In our divided and dividing times, we are here just to speak our truth without listening. And if people do not agree, we resort to all caps. :)

    Frankly, I have no idea if M without P can work. Heck, lots of people have done it for thousands and thousands of times. I know it is not working for me, not when there are so many P temptations out there. If I M, I inevitably fall into P. Or I start doing weird shit with my penis just to become more elaborate at beating my meat.

    I’m here to meet like-minded people. I’m not against O. But I won’t argue with those who want to retain their semen. Likewise, if you can M without P and that’s your goal, good for you and good luck. I am sure I can learn from you about how to abstain from P. But all I know is that M without P won’t work for me. It didn’t. But everybody is different. Someone like Russell Brand could orgasm 5 times a night during an orgy - that would probably kill my penis! So maybe if you’re like him, you might need to M... or maybe not. Again, it’s your individual journey.
     
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  15. JRex

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    Sometimes when I masturbate without external stimuli, I feel fine in the morning, and actually quite chilled. Other times my sleep is disturbed afterwards, and in the morning I feel 'grey' and deflated. I can't explain why there could be two different outcomes.
     

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