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Do We Have Free Will?

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by Deleted Account, Apr 3, 2018.

  1. well that is good for you. i am glad that you had the oppurtunity to experience something like that but the fact remains that you can not prove it to others. and just asking people to believe without any evidence, only on faith is not right. how can a person know if someone who is preaching about god is not a conman ? to figure out wether someone is a conman or the real deal require logic and reasoning. so you can continue to believe in your experiences but dont try to make others believe in them too.
     
  2. MLMVSS

    MLMVSS Fapstronaut

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    Yet not all of today’s “science” is based on the scientific method, but based on political gain.

    Philosophy is not a science; science is a philosophy. This, it’s absolutely possible for philosophy to not be based on science.
     
  3. MLMVSS

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    Where did I tell people to believe in what I do?
     
  4. philosophy cant contribute much to this discussion. so this is more of a scientific discussion.
    neurobiologists and even some physicists are completely obsessed with the concept of free will. it is a very hot topic in science.
     
  5. yes scientific research does have political and financial gain as its motive but the research itself is completely based on scientific method ( otherwise they wont be able to accomplish anything ).
    so your statement is not correct.
     
  6. MLMVSS

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    But, I forgot to say this: it’s people’s jobs on their own to seek out their answers and their beliefs. How do they feel?

    It’s much like a judge in a courtroom. The judge wasn’t at the scene himself/herself, but they’re able to analyse information given by both sides (whether hard evidence or witness accounts) to come up with a final verdict of what they believe.

    Determining beliefs should be the same way. It’s my job to provide what I believe, but overall, it’s the person’s obligation to analyse and choose what they believe.
     
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  7. we are in agreement on this.
     
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  8. MLMVSS

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    The Big Bang Theory actually goes against the scientific method.

    The scientific method calls for independence, falsifiability, repetition and representativeness. The Big Bang does not meet points 2, 3 or 4.
     
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  9. MLMVSS

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    I don’t mean to detract from your argument either, but this is also a “proven fact” to many in the science community. But, at this stage, without those elements of the scientific method holding true, this sort of “science” becomes more of a religion itself.

    It doesn’t mean it’s false or untrue, but it also means we cannot prove it enough to call it factual science.
     
  10. thats a very extreme example but even big bang can be falsified. and to be honest big bang is not technically a theory, it is more of a hypothesis which has some evidence in its favour. some physicists dont even believe in it.
    you gave a very poor example. it does not help your argument at all.
     
  11. if a scientists believes in big bang without definitive evidence then he too is going against the scientific method.
    but the thing is even though most scientists say this is true or that is true , they all have some room for skepticism in their minds even for definitive theories. so i dont think that any scientist believes in big bang the same way religious people believe in their religion ( i.e. without even a little bit of skepticism ).
     
  12. MLMVSS

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    My argument that science can be a religion in and of itself? I don’t see how it doesn’t help, but okay.

    This either shows little understanding of religious life, or viewing it as a stereotype. I’ve had many skepticisms and questionings that I’ve had, but through my ponderings and meditations, I was able to see a bigger picture of why such things are in place.
     
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  13. that is all very good. i am glad you are able to find peace and satisfaction through your religion.
    but you did not address my point. my point was that a scientist is still a skeptic even with regard to his most definitive theories.
    are you still open to skepticism about your religion ( after becoming a believer )? are you willing to consider that your religion might possibly be wrong ? is any religious person open to the idea that their religion might be wrong , in the same way a scientist is open to the idea that his most definitive theory might be wrong ? i have not met any such religious person.
    that is why i say a scientist believing in his theory is not equivalent to a religious person believing in his religion.
     
  14. MLMVSS

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    No, not if you believe in the very basics of at least Christianity: prayer, scripture and the Holy Spirit. With faith in those three primary things, we may know the truth for ourselves. Those are tools available to those who seek them. Every other doctrine is built upon those, and those tools can be utilised to confirm such doctrine.
     
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  15. so you agree that religious people ( atleast christians ) are not open to skepticism once they become complete believers.
    then we are in agreement that a scientist's belief in his theory is not equivalent to a religious person's belief in his religion ( as the scientist is always open to skepticism ).
     
  16. Scientists are open to new evidence since their field of expertise deals with psychical reality. This openness doesn't equal "skepticism ".Likewise, religious people are open to revelation since their field of belief deals with spiritual realities.

    Both groups are OPEN to new evidence which pertains to their field. Both groups can be very skeptical of theories or theological hypothesis presented to them.
     
  17. it got off topic after i pointed out that quoting the bible to prove free will is a fallacious argument.
    you replied, then i replied, then others replied and so on.
    this is how most threads get off topic.
     
  18. I can ask the same question about those who keep on responding with their religious point of view ( which btw, includes you too ).
     
  19. Patani khan

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    Hello guys i am new here, But this question is so old for me as i have studied this topic deeply.

    Thier is a difference between choice and free will...

    Choice s are when we are offered two different things to chooce one of them
    As good or evil
    Right or levil
    And we are left with options to choose to
    Watch porn or watch somthing inspiring or study or prepare for tommorow and so on
    And we have to choose from one of them.

    And free will means that we can do what ever we want to do we can... that also include if we will to live for 1000 years we can..
    And we know thats impossible.

    So,that means we dont actually have free will we are left with choices in this world to choose from??

    Now we should also know what is predestiny?

    And yes thier is predestiny.
    But have we ever wondered what is predestiny??

    Predestiny who wrote it?
    Does this effects on my life?
    Does this effect my decisions?
    And lot more

    So, to understand it first we have to recognise who wrote it.

    It is written by one and only god..

    And god knows every thing he know you better than you the one who created you.

    And he have the knowledge of future.

    So he knows that what choices are u gonna make?

    Predestiny does not effect u any how ?

    If you start changing ur self know than god knew this , that at this point of life u r going start changing and he wrote it.

    That predestiny only things u r going to is written in it?

    And i will conclude this with one example

    A teacher knows his students and how they study.
    So if the teacher say that one student is going to very good grades and another will fail.

    And then happens the same.
    But teacher knew this lot before because she knew how the studends study

    So know can that student say i fail in exam because the teacher said, no because the student didnt study.

    That similar to predestination.
     
  20. SolitaryScribe

    SolitaryScribe Fapstronaut

    Wow, this thread turned religious real quick... If I'm being honest, I think many of the people in this thread are discussing things way out of their league. Non of us have really done the in-depth research in the bible or science to go off making claims which we think are true.

    All we're doing is misquoting sources, taking things out of context and confusing each other.

    Is there free will? for me it seems so, because we all choose or are trying to choose to live a life that is porn free. No one is forcing us, these are our choices be it against our own natural desires.
     

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