Ethical Porn

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Ozatm, Oct 12, 2017.

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What is your view of 'ethical porn'?

  1. Pure marketing, porn can't be made ethically

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    35.6%
  2. Porn can be made ethically, but its use is still harmful to watch

    17 vote(s)
    23.3%
  3. Porn can be made ethically, and used safely when viewed with care

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  4. It is impossible to distinguish ethical from unethical porn, so avoid all porn

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  1. Ozatm

    Ozatm Fapstronaut

    I agree, it is hard to find any kind of information on this subject that isn't provided by people with a bias. Be it religious organizations propounding the 'addiction' view of pornography (which many actual sex researchers will say isn't what's going on) or pro-porn advocates saying there's nothing at all wrong with porn and even going further to say that it is good for you. It's hard to say what the reality is without impartial research, which some people are out there doing. But I'm sure I'll get a bunch of posts with anecdotal evidence saying what they feel is true.
    - Ozatm
     
  2. TheFutureMe

    TheFutureMe Fapstronaut

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    Just a couple of thoughts ;

    About a so-called reality or truth : Like so many things in life, I guess it really is up to us to determine for ourselves, individually, in our own social and cultural frame. Social institutions (be it politics, relations, family, religion, science, etc.) may have tried for all history to define a common rule that would suit all citizens everywhere - one rule to fit them all. Throughout history they've all failed dramatically to provide universal answers. Like @WreckTangle rightfully mentions, who can we trust? More tobacco/oil industry lies for a couple of decades before some old "we-knew-all-along" reports surfaces and everybodys sighs, wishing they'd knew 30 years prior?

    Today there's something else at work - We, the People (I'm not a US citizen at all, it's just who we are, the People), have never been so much informed from various sources, and free to forge our own experience and/or beliefs on topics that we learn about and would'nt EVER have without the technology that made it available in the first place. Just like a car creates the distances only it can help cover.

    Maybe, just maybe, it's time that we stop waiting for one institution or the other to provide take-away answers that would eventually fail again to support everyone (because we're all so different from one another), and that we start critically thinking for ourselves, individually. What's good for that guy may not be good for me, and that really is up to me to find out, or live my life on the belief that there are some rules that can apply to everybody at a given time? (Criminal and penal laws aside of course...).

    What the people fighting their tendency to abuse porn are finding out (I wouldn't know about others since I haven't participated in any yet), is that different approaches help different people, based on different beliefs and different means throughout different journeys in different places, to fight different root causes. The universality of an answer is really hard to pinpoint, except when we consider the simple fact that all these people have a common suffering, related to the same bottleneck product.

    Is it inherently bad? The jury is out and probably will be until this or that institution starts demonizing it enough that society as a whole starts moving against it. Unfortunately, as we can see here (and in other communities) from the experiences of real people fighting real fights, locking P out is not enough, it's almost never enough, because it's the tip of the iceberg. Maybe, just maybe, it's symptomatic of some deeper societal issues that have spread exponentially in response to the People's lack of purpose, self, meaning, for example?

    Like @Ozatm said, the biases are so powerful (probably proprotional to one's suffering with/against P) that people don't even allow themselves to think further than this issue. They get stuck on the P issue because, somehow, just like with some mental illnesses or mental traits, people stop evolving and dwell in this situation - it gives them a tag, a recognizable 'condition', a legitimacy to act like they do, and moving out of this would be extremely scary - the unknown. If somehow when you read this, something inside of you twitches, I urge you to dig deeper - there's no shame in being at this stage, there's only relief when you move out of it and embrace the possibilities of what's really out there for you. And don't let anyone decide what's good for you. Reach out and grab it. It requires an effort, and we're not always able to deliver, and it's alright. Just keeing in mind that there's something else out there, beyond the cramped spaces of "institutional truth". If you suffer, dig deeper, uncover your truth, with or without the help of others, and find your own ways of healing. Labels only get us so far. They're the most conservative way our lazy minds have found to nail our feets to the ground.

    To be fair I just like P in a visual/sensory/creative way, despite all I know about the industry itself. I wish I didn't have to live without it. But I know how hard I strangled my social and emotional and sexual lives with it, and I decided it should end. (Note that I didn't say that IT strangled my life, I did). Just like a hypothetical relationship that has exhausted every aspect of me for decades, and suddenly I couldn't go on with her anymore. Reflecting on this, there are lessons to be had, a good introspection on the whys and the hows. Something that helps plant the seeds of real change. I wish everybody could start this journey instead of waving their fists at an oblivious sky.
     
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  3. Ozatm

    Ozatm Fapstronaut

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  4. Akerlof's famous market for lemons paper basically concluded that if there's no way for a consumer to tell the quality of a product pre-purchase, then you will only get low-quality products (because I, the consumer, will not be willing to pay a high price when I can't tell amd, therefore you, the seller have no incentive to make high quality products).

    It would seem 'ethical porn' might fall into this issue. The concept itself I have no major problem with - if working conditions were good and participants were willing and treated well and consumers were made aware of the potential risks of consumption - i just don't think this is possible.
     
  5. WreckTangle

    WreckTangle Fapstronaut

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    Very insightful post @TheFutureMe, thank you for putting in the effort to do that. I've learned a lot from this community so far and it just keeps giving :)
     
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  6. Khan4321

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    There is no such thing as ethical pornography. Pornography is destructive in any form. Pornography is the worst form of prostitution. Sex is a private act. It is against human dignity to do such acts in front of people like pigs. Those devils who run the pornography have no regard for human relationship and society. Their only goal is to enslave whole world through their powerful drug.
     
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  7. Khan4321

    Khan4321 Fapstronaut

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    There is no need of pornography in the world.The world can go better without pornography. What does the phrase "ethical porn" mean? Like porn is something important for the survival of human beings These words are totally opposite to each other.
     
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  8. g2stop

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    Most people join nofap due to PIED, is there any evidence that “ethical porn” doesn’t result in this?
     
  9. phwrancesco

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    I don't agree on that. Everything depends on the context.
     
  10. Dude Believe it's pure marketing, I at least already have an opinion formed of the kind, because I'm practicing pmo for other people even if they are artists, I'm throwing my life away, by other people, this is not ethical .
     
  11. "ethical" porn still fuels the normal porn market so in the end even when it's made ethically it isn't really ethical
     
  12. Lumkalak

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    Ethical porn is oxymoron.

    Honest lying? Sublime hoax?

    It's quite hard to come up with any long-term benefits that Porn could provide.
     

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