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fap without porn: rediscover personal feelings and fantasies

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by friwderich, Oct 1, 2021.

  1. friwderich

    friwderich Fapstronaut

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    hi guys! I'm an Italian guy, pls don't expect a perfect English from me:)
    however, I'm really motivated to share with you my personal story about my wrong relationship whit porn. I think It's a good choice because together there are more possibilities to discover what's inside this addiction that we share, moreover I feel less alone in sharing my feeling about it. I hope to stay in the right section, if my contents are not for this section pls tell me.

    let's start.

    in the last 5 years,
    I have developed a strong addiction to porn for various causes. I was very inclined to use them before, during high school. But the last few years are the ones I want to focus on. They were really hard, without realizing it I tried to solve the bad feelings I felt in the family trying to respond to the needs of my mother, my sister and my father. I took on many responsibilities and I lost myself. I am a medical student, now in my senior year, so I also had to study in the meantime.
    I suffered from depression, deep sadness and when I masturbated those feelings I felt were the only thing that made me forget all the worries I had. For two years I made the mistake of not talking to anyone, actually keeping everything inside and not letting my deep discomfort come out. I was feeling lonely, porn really became one of the few stimuli that could get me distracted by all of this.
    Although I had a girlfriend aged 16 to 18(I haven't been in a relationship for years now)
    I have always had problems in relating in a healthy way with girls, pornography in adolescence has also been for me what I could not satisfy in reality and this has worsened in recent years because the addiction became stronger.
    There were days where I even masturbated 10 or more times a day. It was really the only thing that gave me satisfaction. I started a psychotherapeutic course and in recent years I have tried many, I started as I believe many people in this forum not to masturbate for a defined number of days. Guys it's a wrong thing in my opinion because, we need to practice auto-eroticism, thanks to that we discover what we like about our sexuality. Porn for the way we use it definitely interferes with living our sex life well.

    Let's go back to today, thanks to my psychologist and a lot of efforts I can live masturbation better, especially without guilt. however I am linked in a dysfunctional way to porn, I still spend hours there and continue to masturbate despite not feeling anything and my glans burns; so i'm trying to give myself some gradual time goals. Now i am trying not to use porn for a month ... for now i stop here, what is your experience with porn? you also think there is more to bind us in a morbid way to videos and images?
     
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  2. learning

    learning Fapstronaut

    What you say makes a lot of sense.

    I'm 55, so libido is far lower than when I was young. The problem for me seems to be depression. When I abstain from PMO I don't feel horny but within a couple of days I become badly depressed. That is how I feel today.

    I love porn more than I love masturbation. Masturbation disgusts me, but porn gives me something to distract me from the futility of life. I am a weird one though.

    Porn addiction is definitely harmful to me. I don't deny that. Earlier this week I masturbated and ejaculated without using porn. I didn't like it. Just thinking about it makes me disgusted with myself. I would rather forget I did that. It makes me feel like puking to remember the experience.

    But if it works for other people then they should do that. I am pretty weird and have been doing this over 30 years now.
     
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  3. learning

    learning Fapstronaut

    Just wanted to add that I am glad the psychotherapy has helped you feel better about masturbation / auto-eroticism. Hopefully you will keep improving.
     
  4. friwderich

    friwderich Fapstronaut

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    I'm happy with your answer. What I learned in psychotherapy is precisely to value your feelings, especially those we don't like, we usually tend to ignore. In doing so, the effort to take into consideration these bad sensations not only don't chase us anymore.... but they tell us that something about us. I would love it if in my thread everyone shared how they feel about using porn and maybe find out together what use porn has in our lives.
     
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  5. friwderich

    friwderich Fapstronaut

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    If I can afford to give you a tip...touch your limits, after how many days or hours do you go into depression? So you give yourself small goals that are tailored to you. As soon as you feel overly depressed feel free to use porn. If you find it difficult to respect the small goals you have set yourself try to distract yourself, do something else! Obviously it is always better to ask for the help of a specialist!
     
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  6. learning

    learning Fapstronaut

    I would also be interested in learning what others feel about porn. It seems to me that most people on this forum do not acknowledge the "good" in porn. We are all addicts to porn, but we need to be honest that it is a complicated issue. One man's porn is another man's art. My first porn was the junk mail clothing catalogs my mother received with the occasional sexy model in bikini or lingerie. That wasn't technically porn, but it was functionally identical. There are billboards on the freeway with pretty women and TV commercials. To say "porn is evil" is too simplistic. It is far more realistic to abstain from masturbation than it is to abstain from porn, because masturbation is more clearly defined. (Of course I applaud your current strategy of practicing masturbation without porn if that helps. Not sure what my point is actually LOL)

    EDIT: For me, porn is defined by my something inside my brain. I can look at pornographic images and even mildly masturbate as long as a certain switch remains turned off inside my brain. The problem happens when the intent of my activity changes in some subtle way. That switch in my brain flips and I am suddenly trapped like a fish on a hook. When that happens there is no escape for anywhere from 4 to 12 hours when the edging session either totally exhausts me or ends with an ejaculation. What makes it porn and PMO is entirely defined by my attitude to the external stimuli.
     
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  7. friwderich

    friwderich Fapstronaut

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    I absolutely agree with you, it's not the porn itself but the way in which we use it and how much they limit our emotional, social, working relationships etc ... this is why in my opinion abstaining is not a solution because for everyone of us has an intrinsic usefulness.
    I am very happy with your point of view, as many people practice abstinence on this forum :)
     
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  8. AtomicTango

    AtomicTango Fapstronaut

    Glad this works for you. But I fear it would not work for most on here.

    The issue for many is that porn is linked so tightly with masturbation that trying to separate them inevitably leads to relapses. I can see the value in being able to masturbate with external stimuli, but personally I dont think I'm strong-willed enough to deal with that without it making me want to watch porn. Even if I didn't actually watch porn, there is no doubt I would fantasise about things I saw in porn. So in the end the exercise would be pointless.

    My relationship with porn is that it functions as a way of immersing myself in a sort of sexual dreamland for the duration of my session. Much like a heroin addict after shooting up, I can remain in this euphoria for a long time. Then I snap out of it, and feel disgusted with myself. Or at the very least, like I wasted my time. It depends on what type of porn I actually watched. As someone who experiences pretty bad anxiety and depressive spells, PMO is an outlet. An unhealthy one, however.
     
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  9. ermia

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    I agree with you.
    Masturbate like a domain name that linked to porn sites.our brain connected porn and masturbate , and I think it is impossible for a porn addict to masturbate and not think of porn videos , Even if he does not watch porn , and he will return to porn sites soon.
     
  10. friwderich

    friwderich Fapstronaut

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    In my opinion it's ok to fantasize about porn, it's still a first step. I don't doubt that distancing efforts must be made and they must be small steps, remember that for you who have always used porn and for you those images are your world. That's okay for now, you can't undo what you've done all your life can you? obviously I want to say that everything I say is my point of view, I like to give advice also in relation to what I have experienced. there have been times when giving up the urge to see porn was very difficult, but slowly this need is becoming less and less strong. in this thread I want to share with you any changes on my sexuality, I want to get to prefer a relationship with a woman!
     
  11. AtomicTango

    AtomicTango Fapstronaut

    I dont agree that fantasising about porn is ok. Many of us watch porn that does not align with what we actually want, we only watch it out of addiction/compulsion. I dont think it's a good idea to reinforce that by thinking about it even when not actually watching it.
     
  12. AtomicTango

    AtomicTango Fapstronaut

    Pretty much. At the very least one would have to go a very, very long time for the mental images to fade enough to attempt it.
     
  13. friwderich

    friwderich Fapstronaut

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    what I mean is: masturbating without porn and finding porn images in our fantasies is ok because is a habit. it is a habit and like all habits do not end overnight, especially if there is much more of the pursuit of pleasure. For me this worked (let's not forget the psychologist):

    small steps at a time that took me(after 3 years) to enjoy what I fantastic.
    it takes time and effort to do, nothing is invented like all things, if you disagree you are not required to write in this thread :)
     
  14. friwderich

    friwderich Fapstronaut

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    Hi guys how are you?
    I give you a little update on how it is going.
    I took a 5-day vacation, so I didn't have the opportunity to masturbate for about a week and on my return this made me very happy because on my return I would have felt so many sensations. the evening just before doing it, I was happy and from this contentment I started thinking about anything else such as looking for my sister and asking her how she was. I felt it as a duty for her. this often happens to me, when I feel relaxed or happy I start worrying that something is going wrong, I get very angry with myself and I get sad, in a nutshell I am afraid of letting go. anyway, I managed to focus on my masturbation and believe me guys.... the fantasies were really real!!, they looked like movies, I could hear my friends'(girls friend :emoji_joy:) voices and unlike the fantasies let's say "post porn", the pleasure was centered on me and not on her, on how to penetrate her.
    In the end I was really satisfied. after an hour, shaking ig's home to my usual I saw a half-naked photo of a friend of mine eee .... an incredible impulse started, an automatic thing that led me to thoughts like "come on one more time , that's okay "guys I reused pictures to jerk off. let's reflect on this thing: the first ejaculations with the images are pleasant, the problem becomes later .. continuing despite you are losing sensitivity and you feel you don't want to do it anymore. more than anything else I felt guilty because I would have to use them on the day I set out.
    Now I am able to stop, as I write this post I thought ... what remains is a sense of guilt for having done it and that's it, for the rest I liked using the images (NB: I don't use porn videos anymore, only rarely , there are Italian telegram groups where many girls of my age are shared ... in my opinion these things are much more dangerous than the porn itself) and I wonder how much, FOR ME, this porn addict that I think I have is an obstacle to relating to a girl? have I built a castle? really if I didn't think about it I would spend hours every day without getting tired .... maybe not ... guys the truth is that I'm afraid of letting myself go in the relationship with a girl, I'm afraid of being manipulated, devalued for who I am, I'm afraid to be hurt or abandoned, fear of not being accepted for who I am
    ....
    maybe this is the role that porn has for me ... an excuse? I will only know by living :D;
    how are you with yours addict???
     

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