For god's sake! Masturbation is equally or more harmful than porn

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Ray Breslin, Jun 27, 2016.

  1. I know the general opinion about masturbation is that "It is not the real enemy,porn is"

    For once,just hear me out first

    I was a perfectly health guy who started fapping when he was 13(i got into porn only at 17, you can read my story in more detail here http://NoFap.com/forum/index.php?th...y-life-even-before-i-ever-touched-porn.69907/ ) and at 16 , i started feeling extremely weak physically,tired all the time,my memory and concentration became so drained that it affected only my studies but my sports skills too. Now 4.5 years later those effects have become far more. Dandruff all year long,poor skin,feeling depressed,poor posture,thinner penis with more veins ,hairfall along with the the extreme physical and mental weakness,leack of brain power i mentioned above. I feel more like a poor shadow of my former self I'm in university (one that is ranked far below the one in which i could've gotten into if i hadn't become sexually exhausted in high school). This all is what is called Sexual Exhaustion on the web(though other terms may be used), i eventually learned from the internet. It's hard to find a cure when medicine doesn't even recognize it and even your family doctor encourages you to fap on. As a result a lot of swindlers have came up to take an advantage of this and trick guys who have become sexually exhausted.

    A few months ago came across this book called "When a boy becomes a man by Edward Bok". It's available on google books or forgotten books( i am unable to put a link to it).
    This book was published in 1912 as a guide to school boys reaching puberty on the possible health dangers of masturbation. I have been suffering from those "dangers" for past 4.5 years now,nearly a century later. The 20th century was supposedly notorious for anti-masturbation propaganda but this book apart from referring to fap as "sin" seems to have none of it (especially religious) and portrays how a guy can get addicted to it and how it can damage his life. I wished someone would've given me this when i was 13. It angers me how the whole internet keeps encouraging you to fap when it destroyed my health and life single handedly( I have never even taken a beer or a smoke).

    Perhaps in our quest for freedom of sexual expression/sexuality(something which i really support too) we have shot down anything that may seem to threaten that,including the possible bad health effects of masturbation?


    I know the general dismissive reply too this is "too much of anything is bad". Don't say that,you don't say that about alcoholism or drugs do you? Having a PMO addiction and getting sexually exhausted is the same thing.

    The other thing is guys say "Oh this is BS. I've jacked off a zillion times but nothing like that happened to me". Not everyone gets sexually exhausted,but everyone definitely can. Jack off everyday for 3 years and you may just get there. Maybe factors like genes and other things play a role. It took me 3 years to get to point of sexual exhaustion. Maybe it's like smoking. A couple of times won't really hurt you but do it a hundred times and you will start seeing the harmful effects. I know it might seem hard to believe this. This is perhaps the same thing that the guys who first got PIED(Porn induced erectile dysfunction) went through. The whole world not believing into something and suggesting the opposite while it destroyed them.

    A lot of guys also say that masturbation is same as real sex and since the latter isn't harmful, fap cannot be harmful.Let's do the math,according to a kinsey study 18-29 year olds have sex,on an average ~112 times an year whille 30-39 years do it ~86 times an year.Compare that to a guy in his early life he probably faps once a day all year( or say 250-300 times a year), so in the next three year he has ejaculated around a 1000 times or more. This is a LOT more than having real sex ,orgasming and then ejaculating. Even if say you and your partner are super horny and do it around 300 times an year, no way can one keep it up for the next say,3 years without affecting their health. Also there is a thing such as too much sex (http://www.newhealthadvisor.com/Effect-of-Too-Much-Sex.html or google it)
    Take into account the frequency, the amount of times one faps to the real sex in a time period . A regular guy faps far more in a short span of times,say a week or month than he has sex. This continues all year and over several year. All this does perhaps takes its toll.

    Stop thinking masturbation is a cute little puppy that can never hurt anyone,while porn is a vicious animal. Masturbation is the same or worse. If you don't believe me then search sexual exhaustion on the internet (To get you started,a couple of links 1.http://www.rebootnation.org/forum/index.php?topic=3848.0
    2.http://yourbrainonporn.com/men-does-frequent-ejaculation-cause-hangover
    3.http://www.howtostopmasturbation.com/negative-effects-of- masturbation.html (read the testimonies below)
    4.http://NoFap.com/forum/index.php?threads/effects-of-semen-retention-poll.46314/page-3 (Read my story in more detail here)

    If you have seen the movie "The Kings speech" when King George V went to a new speech therapist for his stammer and was having a smoke, the therapist asks him to snuff out the cigarette. The king replies that his present therapist has said that "Smoking would help relax his throat muscles" to which his new therapist replies "I have a belief that sucking smoke into your lungs can do you no good". This implies that at that time the side effects of smoking were unknown and it was considered acceptable, who knows, even encouraged? We all know what it does now.

    This could apply to masturbation too. Just because science hasn't got to its negatives yet, doesn't mean it isn't going to one day, especially with thousands of guys surfacing who are suffering from overdoing it.

    Think of this logically. Everything in life has a cost. Why wouldn't masturbation have a cost too? Its stupid to think that you can just fap,fap,fap without any limits or consequence .Masturbation has an upper limit. There is a limit to how many times you can fap without all hell breaking loose. Yes, the brain wiring thing is pretty real but so are the physical effects.


    P.S.Next time maybe after you jack off,try to feel your strength by turning your hand into a fist and then do the same after being clean for a few days. You'll see the change.
     
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  2. Yeah, i know. How're you coping with it?
     
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  3. Just heard from Gary Wilson, he agreed that masturbation causes severe physical and mental sideffects and guided me to info on YPOB related to it,
    http://yourbrainonporn.com/men-does-frequent-ejaculation-cause-hangover
     
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  4. Sleeping_Beauty

    Sleeping_Beauty Fapstronaut

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    I think masturbation is just as bad if not worse than porn. I've been addicted to it since I was 7 years old, and it may have been the main reason I developed suicidal depression at 12 years old....
     
  5. feo1966

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    I agree completely. Any means of self stimulating the reward center is addictive and dangerous. The only difference between regular masturbation and masturbation with porn is that porn offers infinite novelty.....and hence a bigger shot of dopamine.
     
  6. Jokerzgottayou

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    dude both sex and masturbation are bad for body when done in excess and may become addictive leading to plethora of problems .
     
  7. Totally agree with this, your wasting your life force away fapping with or without porn. This life force creates life, thats how powerful it is.
    I hit all my best records at the gym when I wasn't fapping. If i slipped up i would notice it in the gym or even at work.
    Do you think all the greatest people that changed history had a dick in there hand everyday. Doubt it.
    It's called nofap not not using porn.
    Godbless all of you!
     
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  8. Sleeping_Beauty

    Sleeping_Beauty Fapstronaut

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    Exactly.
     
  9. Ben Jamin'

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    I completely agree. I find that M is the main problem, and P just helps facilitate it and make it less boring. P also adds a few negatives, but not as many as M. If someone watches P without ever Ming it would be worse than if he does M without watching P.
     
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  10. silenteagle

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    Anything that boosts our reward centers is bad..including masturbation.
     
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