For those fighting the wet dream battle

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Mystical•Citra, Nov 30, 2014.

  1. Mystical•Citra

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    I have been fighting this battle since the beginning of 2014, and nothing has been as important within my life since. My spiritual quest is what brought me here to Nofap, and is my main focus. I have learned so much since I began, and it seems that I get little bits of knowledge every once in a while while in my meditations that help me according to my level of progress. Well early this morning woke up at 4am and started being bombarded by thoughts like what is my purpose and what do I really want out of life, what is best for my spiritual progress, what do I need above all else that is truly important to my soul and not just my ego.

    I decided that I needed to get up and meditate instead of just lay in bed frustrated, so I got up, did some stretches, lit a candle, said some mantras to calm my mind and then started meditating.
    I had some break through thoughts come to me that answered most of my questions and explained a lot of the problems of my journey and with the battles that I am fighting.

    First of all I know there are lots of people here who do not believe that wet dreams are anything to worry about and that is fine, but once you get to a certain point you may change your mind, and if you ever start a spiritual journey there is no better fuel for the journey than the sexual energies. Without these creative forces you will spit and sputter like your running on fumes. This is what gives you the will-power, vitality, and ambition to do the practical and psychological work on a daily basis. Spiritual work is psychological work, it all starts within you.

    I realized this morning that everything that I need to progress is right here, and that I do not need to go anywhere. Everything has a resonating frequency, some high and some low, even our emotions. spiritual evolution requires a rising frequency, and devolution a lowering frequency. We all want to have a very high frequency eventually because this is the frequency of love, which is the highest of all. The opposite would be anger, hatred, fear, lust, pride, envy, etc which all have a very low frequency. Certain foods also have a very low frequency, like pork.

    I realized this morning that what I am missing in life is more love, and that I need to have less negative emotions. When I am around people who are angry and stressed all of the time, people who have a very low frequency, I am tested big time. When some one comes at me with negativity I need to transform that energy into love. If I cash in that anger and respond with it also, I am lowering my frequency as well. If I transform the anger into love and respond with compassion and love, the situation is diffused, everyones frequency rises some and no one suffers more.

    This planet needs more people transforming low frequencies into higher ones, Earth is so full of low vibrations and this is why there is so much suffering. Lust is one of the lowest frequencies, and when we begin to destroy it within our selves we make rapid spiritual progress. Emotions and the spoken word are very sexual also, this is why a boy's voice changes along with sexual maturity, so stopping negative spoken words and emotions is like patching another leak of the sexual forces.

    For ages it has been said that masturbation will make a man blind. This is not to be taken literally though, it is symbolic. It speaks of the "third eye", the one eye, the pineal gland in the center of your brain - responsible for our spirituality, clairvoyance, and connection to the divine. This is the most protected gland in your brain, surrounded with cerebrospinal fluids. It is responsible for making the most powerful anti-oxidant in the world - melatonin. The pineal gland has several critical functions including secretion of melatonin the hormone that also causes sleepiness and regulation of certain endocrine functions. The gland also helps the body to convert signals from the nervous system to signals in the endocrine system, and creates the chemical DMT which allows dreams and visions. It is our connection to the heavens. Ejaculation of any type de-activates and athrophies this gland. It is also called the "all seeing eye" of Horus, or "the third eye".

    I have noticed that many of my wet dreams happened on nights after I had been in an argument with someone, and many of these circumstances had happened on a full moon. I believe the moon increases our emotions whether they be love, hate, fear...
    Our bodies are extremely adaptive, and over time with spiritual evolution we adapt to the higher energies. When we do the inner psychological work of destroying our ego's - Lust, fear, anger, pride, envy, etc.. we are actually unlocking trapped energies that awaken higher consciousness. This allows us to see the world and all beings with more love and compassion. These are the natural states of god above, love, compassion, knowledge... These naturally come out.
    When we start to increase our frequency through transformation of emotions our bodies slowly adapt. When we conserve our sexual energies our bodies also slowly adapt. These two go hand in hand. They work together like bread and butter.
    The higher we raise these frequencies the more weapons we have for fighting the other ego's, releasing more energies awakening more understanding and more love.
    Lust is so damaging. Animalistic sex is only lust. True love making is so transformative. Comparing Lust and Love is like comparing a muddy puddle to a glacial lake.

    These sexual energies that we conserve basically spoil if they are not transformed within us and are released in our urine or at night while sleeping. They need to transform like water transforms into vapor. These are the subtle spiritual energies that fuel our spirituality.
    There is no better method of transforming these energies from a physical substance into a subtle energy than Love. These subtle energies travel up the spine and activate the pineal gland, activate parts of the brain that are un-active, boost the immune system, calm the nervous system, fuel creativity, knowledge, and cultivate LOVE.

    If we want to eliminate the wet dreams I have realized that we need to be self aware at all times, especially in times of increased emotion. We need to transform the anger and lust into love so we can start to increase our frequencies and harness more of these energies. If we stay in the lower weaker frequency levels we will never be able to conserve higher levels of sexual energy. There are also other ways of transforming the energies like singing, dancing, Ham-sah pranayama and meditations, but none compare to love and affection. Meditation is such a great tool for comprehending our ego's and defects so we know what to transform.

    Wet dreams will stop when our bodies adapt and our psyche is developed enough. We think they are natural in our society but find someone who never has masturbated or had animalistic sex (lustful sex), and I guarantee they never have wet dreams. Wet dreams happen because of the ego, because the lust that you created attacks you in your sleep through your subconscious mind. Your subconscious is a replay of what you think, see, and desire while awake or conscious.

    Heroin addicts have withdrawal symptoms that are normal to a recovering heroin addict, but that doesn't mean we should all get those symptoms as well.

    Masturbation and porn is an addiction to lust, pleasure and desire, and wet dreams are a symptom to these things.

    If you stay aware of your body and mind, meditate, and learn how your body and mind work you will see all of this through your own experiences like I have. Don't take my word for it, just pay attention! Of course it helps to not do any drugs or alcohol as well because these make it hard to clearly observe and identify.

    Lets start transforming all of the negative frequencies of the world into higher positive frequencies, changing it little by little, starting with your self. Be the change you wish to see in the world. This I believe to be the greatest work one can ever do within his life.

    If anyone decides to give this a try, please post your results over time if you notice changes.
    I hope this helps!

    Peace
    :)
     
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  2. shoegun

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    Checkout the book by sivananda swami on Brahmacharya. It may aid you in your spiritual quest
     
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  3. Mystical•Citra

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    Thanks! I already read a lot of that book, and some of it has definitely helped me.
    Here it is if anyone else is interested - http://www.dlshq.org/download/brahma_nopic.htm
     
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  4. Ghost.

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    You're taking this too far in my opinion. Which is fine, since you can do whatever you want to do with you life, but you're making some extraordinary claims, and pseudo-science is .. nevermind. Basically, before you spread your influence among others, some things need to be said and acknowledged. Skeptical thinking is something to always keep on the front lines.

    Firstly, going against human nature always has and always will do more damage than good. Take PMO for instance. That being said, night emissions are a biological process. It's not an accident, it's not a result of an argument and it's clearly not caused by the moon. It's a natural mechanism triggered by various parameters. Sperm is perishable, so if not eliminated, it is usually broken down by your body so that new sperm can take it's place. Obviously, fluctuations occur, so other methods exist (i.e wet dreams).

    As far as emotions go, reality is not subjective. Fortunately. Lust is not the black sheep of emotions. In fact, love wouldn't exist without lust. "True lovemaking" as you call it, would not exist without lust. And if we're talking about love and lust, those to, hand in hand create some of the most memorable experiences someone can live through.
    Pride? envy? hate? they're not harmful. No given emotion is damaging in of itself. What is damaging? Too much lust is. Too much pride and guess what? even too much love. Pick anything, if you take it to an unhealthy extreme it becomes just that - unhealthy.

    Point is, take things with a grain of salt. Skeptical thinking - or thinking - for that matter is what brought the human race to the top of the food chain. It's a good thing.
     
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  5. Mystical•Citra

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    First of all Skepticism is what got me where I am today, so I don't know where your getting the "be more skeptical" stuff from. If anything you need to break away from your social conditioning and be more skeptical of the garbage that society spoon feed's us.

    "love wouldn't exist without lust. "True lovemaking" as you call it, would not exist without lust. And if we're talking about love and lust, those to, hand in hand create some of the most memorable experiences someone can live through.
    Pride? envy? hate? they're not harmful."

    Wow, you are so wrong. If you want to talk subjectivity and objectivity, Lust is subjective or an illusion, Love is NOT. Love is Objective. Love is the natural state of God and our natural state, Lust is the false distorted view based on past experiences of pleasure. All desire for pleasure and all attachments cause suffering. Remove desire and attachment and you are liberated from suffering. Love will always exist, and there have been many Humans that have removed Lust. Love still remained, it always will we just have to uncover it from the Lust like washing dirt from your hands.

    "true lovemaking cant exist without lust",

    Are you kidding me? Love is completely separate from Lust. You obviously have not studied tantra before. When true Tantric love-making is performed there is no desire for the body parts and genital organs like in animalistic sex, it is two souls joining as one in order to express and cultivate their love for each other and the sexual fluids are not spilled. That is White Tantra. Obviously this is not an easy task, especially in a society that promotes masturbation and pornography, where sex sells everything, and people treat each other like a piece of meat. Yes there is also Grey tantra and black tantra but these are black magic because they fuel the egos like lust, creating more future suffering, not liberating us and awakening consciousness.

    "Pride? envy? hate? they're not harmful." -

    You have got to be kidding. Hate is not harmful? get real. This is what is wrong with society today. Im done, lol. Not even going to waste my energy.
    take care man
     
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  6. vpapor81

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    Ghost, I agree that wet dreams are a natural process but the fact is if you have a sexual addiction in your body, if you have a wet dream it will reinvigorate the process and take you back to square 1. I know this from firsthand experience and I only recommend people try to investigate eliminating wet dreams if they also witness this first hand in themselves.

    The buddha taught that to get rid of lust you need to take 1 meal a day. If you look at the Minnesota starvation experiment where subjects ate 15-1700 calories per day after a month or so wet dreams ceased. You can say that this is going against the nature of the body but again the fact is that if you have the raging sexual craving in your brain 24/7 365, and you study the process from within it has been my experience that wet dreams replenish the addictive process making sexual addiction the most difficult addiction to get out of the body.

    As for Sivanandas book, I tried everything he suggested and my experience is his stuff will not work. I tried vegetarian diet, waking at all kinds of crazy hours, sleeping very little on eves where i knew wd was coming due to severity of craving, but again I welcome everyone to investigate on their own. In my experience I have found few things that work. 1st of all if you are struggling with this addiction and you study it enough from the inside you will know when the cravings are harshest that your body is near a time to make a wd happen. Some things that help me are 1) Spend very little time around anything that stimulates the limbic system like 1st person shooter games. I notice when I play them my craving is so much more intense and I can only assume its bc sex and violence centers are close in the brain idk science behind it but 100% in my case this is true so I avoid that. I spend as little time in front of screens as possible. Meditate constantly and daily. Get exercise every day. Also 1 trick I have learned is that when I know I am getting to the point where my body needs a release, I will use a morning would to edge for a little bit without thinking of anything sexual, strictly as a manual activity to load the semen into the prostate. I make sure I dont get anywhere near orgasm and after about 20 minutes its usually enough I stop. This will cause the burning craving in your head to become a bit more furious until later in the day when you urinate semen tends to leak out after you urinate. Then the craving diminshes to manageable levels and you will have to repeat next time around. I have managed to get 1.5 months no wet dreams with this process, but it wasnt enough to extinguish the addiction and the only reason a wet dream came is because I overlsept through my alarm and when I do that usually my dreams are more vivd and drift twd sex. So it was my fault for not arising immediately upon alarm.

    All in all I think the op made a fantastic post and I agree with most of what he said. It may seem like pseudo science to some but again I only recommend following his advice if you noticed in your own experience that wd is holding u back.
     
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  7. vpapor81

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    as for transmuting these energies up the body through the spine into love Im sorry bro but I have to agree that part is pseudo science "im my experience" that doesnt mean you shouldnt look for yourself who knows maybe it will work for you. I can only share what worked for me.
     
  8. Ghost.

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    A wet dream doesn't result in the same chemical aftermath on your brain as PMO does. Same goes for regular sex. It's also involuntary. While yes, it may reawaken urges - and most failures and relapses happen during the days after a wet dream - it doesn't really take you back to square 1.

    Also, 1500-1700 calories / day is in 90% of cases well below the maintenance levels of males over the age of 15. A bad diet means lower testosterone, so a reduction in nocturnal emissions is an expected consequence.

    No, I have not studied tantra nor do I wish to. If you feel enlightened and as if you've transcended to another plane of existence, good for you. Personally I can't help but feel you're lying to yourself, but that's besides the point. Judging from what and the way you write we live in 2 entirely different realities, so debating is quite pointless. However you can't go around making wild claims and expect no one to call you out on it.
     
  9. Mystical•Citra

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    Its cool, I don't expect everyone to believe me but I know it to be true that we can send these energies up the spine. I had this happen a few times so far and it felt like an orgasm but going up the spine. As for it cultivating love, That I cannot attest to but if you study most of the Taoist texts they speak of the microcosmic orbit which runs up the spine and down the front of the body. They also teach this in Yoga, Chi-Gong, Nei-Dan, and even Tai-Chi.
    Much of the Buddhist teachings speak of the sexual energies being conserved and utilized for cultivating compassion, love as well. Gnostic Christianity also does.


    Here is a book on the microcosmic orbit if anyone is interested http://ymaa.com/files/ISBN0673sampleR.pdf

    Just look at the picture even on the front page here in Mantak Chia's book - http://mantakchia.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Cosmic-Orbit-ebook-mantakchia.pdf

    It is called Sexual Transmutation, no doubt it is real. These are the basics of Alchemy, and the occult esoteric knowledge, which is what I am into.
     
  10. Mystical•Citra

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    Im not really making any wild claims. Tantra is thousands of years old. It is the Holy Grail. This is ancient wisdom. I would say if anything is wild at all it is your claim that Lust, Hate, Pride, and Envy are beneficial qualities that we should strive to acquire.

    I am talking cause and effects of wet dreams on the body, which can have similar effects of any orgasm especially when there is a sexual dream involved, and this is because of your subconscious mind. Your subconscious mind is your very own creation, based on your daily life. It reflects what you think, see, do, fantasize, etc. It is moldable, you can change it over time. If you go live in a cave for 6 months and never have a sexual thought at all you are essentially killing your ego named lust, and your lust will no longer be able to feed it self through your sleeping subconscious state.

    You said - "Also, 1500-1700 calories / day is in 90% of cases well below the maintenance levels of males over the age of 15. A bad diet means lower testosterone, so a reduction in nocturnal emissions is an expected consequence."

    Well, after 7 days without ejaculation your testosterone levels are 145% above baseline, and it has been proven that vegans produce higher levels of testosterone as well. links below

    I never said that I was enlightened or that I transcended to another plane of existence. Sounds to me like your Ego could use a diet. we are most definetely on two different planes of consciousness, same reality though.

    Im just in the beginning stages of this journey, many are much farther ahead of me. I am only sharing so that others that are on the same path can read my experiences and choose to try for themselves if they want.

    http://nutritionfacts.org/2013/02/12/less-cancer-in-vegan-men-despite-more-testosterone/

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12659241
     
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  11. Mystical•Citra

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    Thank you I appreciate it!
    I agree with all of the tips that you gave, but I do not agree with edging. I believe that to be a bad habit, besides I don't have any problems with the effects of conserving semen to where I would induce peeing semen out to feel better. That is exactly what I am trying to avoid but I get where you are coming from where you are trying to keep orgasm from happening in sleep by doing this by urinating the semen out and releasing pressure. In my experience any stimulation or fantasizing sends the semen to the prostate and this is what creates the negative feelings, or increased urges and sensitivity.
    Naturally after not ejaculating for a few weeks I tend to need much less food anyways, so the less calories theory makes perfect sense to me as well, and has helped me along the way too.

    My last few streaks consisted of 30 days, 38 days, and I would be on day 25 right now if I hadn't eaten a late dinner smoothie at 7:30pm that had aphrodisiacs like Maca, Ashwaganda, and raw cacao in it. I woke several times that night with an extreme hard on and somehow rolled onto my stomach causing the emission... So bummed but lesson learned.
    I also don't watch any television anymore and this has helped a lot
     
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  12. monkotto

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    far too many thoughts concerning wet dreams.

    let them happen. i am not sitting in my bed and praying for a wd. but when it happens it is ok. it belongs to this process.

    no one here can tell me that he is able to control his dreams. no one can stop wet dreams 100 percent. i am sure even the best and purest monks in the world have wet dreams.

    you can eat what you want - you can meditate every single meditation form - you can sleep no matter in which position. we can not avoid them. and it is good like this.

    this is my opinion about this issue.

    :)
     
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    Hey Citra, are you still active? Despite all the comments heres I 100% agree with everything you said. I found this from a google search and resonate with it completely. This is exactly where I am in life right now and where life has lead me. Hope you get to see this post.

    Peace
     
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  15. allrounder18x

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    Sorry to be sound harsh but WTF are you thinking? Wet dreams are completely natural and they don't release your spiritual energy neigther any other natural form of releasing semen. Its the artificial methods which destroy you spiritual powers.
     
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  16. IggyIshness

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    I dont have wet dream in 2 week
     
  17. last_hope

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    same here....day 20 no wet dream yet!
     
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    I'd agree with that however in my case I'm having them with vivid sexual dreams. Clearly this [email protected] has hijacked my subconscious. Plus I'm pretty deep into practicing some esoteric alchemy stuff which does not appreciate any forms of leakage whatsoever, hence I want the emissions/urges/ dreams etc to end! I won't go into it as its not everyone's cup of tea. Peace
     
  19. Joshy

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    Be prepared to experience "sexual dreams" aka as porn scenes in your dreams + wet panties in the morning a lot - considering that you've consumed porn for a decade (in my case) or similar amount of time.
    I had some significant not using porn streaks of more than 100 days and still experienced those flashbacks in my dreams.
    It takes some time until your brain is healed from this bullshit, but we definetly shouldnt give up, because it's getting better and if you give yourself the same time to reboot that you gave yourself developing the habit, everything is fine. Just be patient, guys ;)
     
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    I agree That's wild claims that you can stop wet dreams permantly, uh no you can't

     

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