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Gaslighting/stonewalling, What do you think?

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by ImOkYoureOk, Mar 21, 2019.

Is this manipulative?

Poll closed Jun 19, 2019.
  1. Yes

    92.3%
  2. No

    7.7%
  1. ImOkYoureOk

    ImOkYoureOk Fapstronaut

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    I'm asking for opinions and thoughts on how I should approach this situation. I'll try to keep this as brief and to the point as possible.

    Last month I had a conversation with my PA boyfriend about boundaries and triggers. I had told him I no longer want to use accountability software because it was driving me crazy and he kept relapsing and using porn substitutes anyway. I felt that it wasn't really teaching him accountability and it was putting me in a position of taking responsibility for him. I told him that I need full honesty and transparency, that I understand there will be struggles and mistakes but I need him to come forward with it. I didn't want to go digging for answers anymore.

    He told me he was not watching television because this has been a trigger before. He mentioned a few other things such as unfollowing people on facebook that are making scandalous posts, videos or pictures, etcetera.

    Last week I discovered racey videos in his activity on Facebook. He said they were from a sports radio station he started following last month. So I went to the page and saw that there are a ton of posts featuring racey photos and videos. He told me the videos play automatically as you're scrolling. I unfollow the page for him.

    I of course am suspicious from previous relapsing, previously using porn substitutes, lying, secrets, etcetera. I texted him with my concern, I asked him if he's not watching television because it's a trigger then how is scrolling past racey videos and pictures not. I asked him why he would put himself in that position, especially after our talk. He said I was right, that he shouldn't have followed that page. I asked him why he did it anyway and why he didn't tell me about it knowing that I layed out clear boundaries. He said, "Bye then. You are just starting a fight. I am in a meeting right now, and you are having an episode". I found this to be dismissive and wrong considering our history. Why not just say we can talk about it later? To me it's a lot like walking on eggshells. So I called him out on it. He said he wasn't avoiding anything, he was in a meeting, that he wasn't looking at that page, that I don't know how to communicate and that I was freaking out.

    I feel like I shouldn't bottle up my concerns or suspicions. I am still questioning everything, including my own intuition. It can be an impossible position to be in and I'm trying to stay grounded. I get if he's busy, so just say so and get back with me later. Does this or does this not sound manipulating?
     
    Last edited: Mar 21, 2019
  2. Amaterasus

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    Like you said to me our stories are very similar, i had the same problem with having to dig trying to figure out potential loopholes before he used them. And knowing like an exessive amount of time spent on 9gag or torent pages isnt good but he refusing to see it becouse it wasnt porn-use. But i see it as huge triggers both for me and specially for him.

    And the defenciveness and turning it into that you got a problem is also a part of the addiction. If he point out flaws in you it will distract you from what hes doing, so i would try to put at stop to that behaviour one way or another.

    For me letting go of the acountability software and accepting that i cant controll hes addiction or hes recovery made a huge difference for how i feel.
     
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  3. Lostneverland

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    My support is with you. I think you are experiencing crazymaking! Anytime you question your own sanity, communication skills etc...you are being led astray.

    He’s directing his guilt/shame onto you..don’t take the bait. Stay firm in your believes of the facts and your boundaries.
     
  4. ImOkYoureOk

    ImOkYoureOk Fapstronaut

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    Well said, I need to be more aware of this and not let it distract me.
     
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  5. ImOkYoureOk

    ImOkYoureOk Fapstronaut

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    That's what I was thinking. I should be able to come to him and he needs to respect that. I think his defensiveness is what's getting in the way of communicating.
     
  6. Lostneverland

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    Ya..you got this..believe in yourself and your truth.
    There are some really good videos that just got posted. Amazingly good.
     
  7. ImOkYoureOk

    ImOkYoureOk Fapstronaut

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    Can you please direct me to them. I'm new here. Not sure I'll find these videos.
     
  8. Lostneverland

    Lostneverland Fapstronaut

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    For sure...it’s in the partner support section and is entitled
    Resources for the PA and SO
     
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  9. 1dayattatime

    1dayattatime Fapstronaut

    If he is anything like I was at first he doesnt know exactly why he is doing what he is doing. For me, dismantling my motivations took a long time. My urges and subsequent choices were driven by emotions, but i did not see the connecton. I just experienced being horny and then would justify some boundary violation through some weak justification eg "its a sports page". It takes experience and intention to discover our patterns.
     
  10. psymed

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    I’m with you as well. Might be gaslighting and stonewalling (wouldn’t be surprised if there was some silent treatment too). The typical narcissistic strategies.
     
  11. ImOkYoureOk

    ImOkYoureOk Fapstronaut

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    Doubting my intuition is definitely out the door now. I found another porn substitute video on his computer. Even worse, it was on a day he wasn't returning my texts and said he was busy running errands. This time he couldn't say it was a video that automatically started when scrolling because YouTube shows you how much you watched. When I asked him about it again he denied it, told me I was trying to start an argument, started downplaying it by saying it was a 6 minute video a month ago(it was 2 weeks ago), and told me to leave. This behavior only makes him look more guilty. Who knows what else he's probably hiding. I'm very aware of his patterns and if he's leaving some evidence behind most likely there's a lot more going on. He's already lost all my trust and now I'm afraid I'm losing all hope.
     
  12. 1dayattatime

    1dayattatime Fapstronaut

    Hmmm
    hmmm doesnt sound like he want to do what is necessary to heal. Honesty is a non negotiable.
     

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