Getting Started with Sexual Energy Transmutation

Beautifully put! I do believe this to be of a major issue to people not ejactulating, even those not versed or even interested in these (at least) eigh thousand year old practices/wisdom which is a shame as I do believe the western notion of sexuality (as propagated by porn AND western 'education'/science etc) pales in comparison however much people choose to ignore it and/or dismiss it as it simply doesn't correlate to what they have been 'taught'. I'm a long time avid admirer of Taoist sensibility and have a profound respect for their 'science' which was matured over millenia and its disconcerting to see it ignored (or even rubbished) by minds following western 'mainstream' science (see story of physics teacher earlier in this thread!) which is in its infancy in comparison. And like you said the effects of sexual repression in the church etc are well documented (and yet surprisingly few alarm bells go off but like author Brene Brown says even when the alarm is screeching we are too quick to 'hit the snooze button'.)

I agree that we need to focus our mental energies on new and constructive/creative activities etc but I also believe those of us not ejaculating also need to be open to the idea of internal orgasm (again something that has been practiced thousands of years) and the sublimation of internal sexual energy that seeks expression as im not sure engaging in creative pursuits alone is enough ???

And its not even complicated or all that difficult to get to grips with even to people completely new to these type of ideas and the Mantak Chia book is simply mindblowing not only in its revelations (and i know its 30 years old) but also its expose (largely unintentional) of the extremely limited perception of sex etc in the west. I have been practicing delaying orgasm for many years (resulting in I guess what you could call male multiple orgasm?) and learning how to incorporate the taosist teachings/practices/meditations etc has really started to bring all the 'pieces' together and is simply fascinating and I would never want to go back to the pretty much contradictory mindset I was in of being interested in this stuff on the one hand and, well, the less said about the other hand the better!!

 

Yes I totally agree with everything you say about the inherent 'dangers' of these practices as quite understandably the general premise of NoFap is based on western notions of sexuality etc. And like you also said the more advanced practices of internal orgasm etc would likely be best not practiced in early stages of NoFap. However this still doesnt address the issue of repressed sexual energy and so what I would encourage people interested in these practices to do would become well versed in the preliminary exercises etc.

For example when I first trained in aikido black belt was a long way off in the distance but we were taught to 'be here now' and just keep putting one foot forward etc. We had glimpses of where we were heading as part of the system but ultimately we focused on what we needed to, where we were at, what was 'safe'/appropriate etc. So we were taught basic energy exercises, stretching, and moves appropriate to our 'level' and I guess theres an obvious parallel which we could learn from to avoid these practices being brushed aside as 'inconsistent' with the NoFap approach which I think would be a wasted opportunity for those not ejaculating (even in relationship as ejaculation is not necessary unless wishing to conceive) mainly for reasons of the need of sexual energy to be expressed and also the benefits of these energies when focused away from ejaculation and back inwards before being cultivated for creative expression etc.

So meditations like the Microcosmic Orbit and the Inner Smile could be practiced early on. And exercises that involve connection with the genital area (testical massage etc) could be introduced futher down the line and then further still the more advanced practices that would pose a risk to the initial goals of Fapstronauts who especially those with little or no background in these type of practices.

I also think these practices are healthy as they gently move the mind/body away from the almost automatic association with porn and the influence it has had on so many peoples ideas of sexuality etc and I often hear it said that when your giving something up you no longer wish to do dont focus on that, be mindful of it trying to reassert its presence etc but take something new up and make that your primary focus.

And so yes the caution of repressd sexual energies has the 'sister' caution of being a danger to the initial objectives of NoFap but hopefully (between us) I think we are finding solutions to both of these 'problems' for those of us interested in following this path?

Love the Tao Te Ching passage by the way. Ive collected several interpretations over the years and it certainly is a never ending source of inspiration

 

Likewise, It's been a pleasure discussing this with you. Keep in touch

 

Hi DaLe and Treason. I don't know to be honest. The Taoist Sexual Secrets is an CD audio programme and my copy is an Android phone app by Sounds True if that helps?

If you go online I guess the main people to look up would be Mantak Chia, Lee Holden, Rachel Carlton-Abrham (Mantak Chia is the main man in this field though)

Theres probably stuff on youtube but might be very scrappy, bits here and there, difficult to piece together etc?

I hope that helps

 

Hi OGCheshireCat, good to hear your views etc and all the best with the reboot (and beyond!). The CD or phone app audio Taoist Sexual Secrets has some really useful exercises in addition to microcosmic orbit like fanning the fire, abdominal breathing, strengthening the perineum/pelvic floor, and maybe a few others that help move the energy and could easily be practiced during reboot if you would be wanting to ease yourself in gently. And the Jay Onwukwe book is an excellent and very quick and easy read to the basic principles without exercises etc. Just worth a mention

 

Hi Strawhat, I've been 'squeezin' this muscle for years without any problems from overtraining. All it really needs is about 100 repetitions of contract/relax per day which is a bit of a discipline to remember but well worth it and also good for prostrate as it massages it. It takes a bit of practice to stop ejaculation during sex but is well worth mastering. If not seen already read discussions earlier regarding this and NoFap as poses some interesting questions? Cheers

 

This looks interesting, not seen it myself yet but worth checking out (is downloadable purchase so no waiting for postman etc!)

http://www.universal-tao-eproducts.com/Mantak-Chia-DVDs/dl-dvd12.html

 

More resources...

http://www.healingtaousa.com/healinglove.html#order

If you scroll right down to very bottom of page you see Michael Winns 'Sexual Vitality' DVD as individual purchase. Ive not seen it but apparently Michael Winn is up there with Mantak Chia and this is the DVD recommended in the Mantak Chia book suggested in original post in this thread so just putting it out there

 

"Man is still bullied about by his biological urges. When man is complete, and has truly integrated his still clumsy body with his mind and spirit, his total freedom of spiritual being is beyond the control of the biological instinct. This does not violate the physical laws of the universe; it simply postulates that we are beings with the inherent power to cultivate our energy to a level of power where it allows us to direct our bodies freely. It is not mind over matter, as that implies a battle. It is more mind inside matter. The revelations of mind have allowed us to create nuclear bombs, so why not use mind to direct its own body which is immediately at hand? " ~ Mantak Chia from the book 'Taoist Secrets of Love. Cultivating male Sexual Energy.'

 

Im not sure to be honest I guess their reasons for castration had were different for each of them (?) but the practices discussed in this thread have nothing to do with any organised religion etc (and I dont mean that in a dismissive way, more just to make the distinction) We discussed earlier in the thread the possible consequences of sexual repression and I really think its an important consideration for people here refraining from O etc. And dont think religious ascetism is the same as energy transmutation as the fundamental intention is completely different.