Glossary expansion: porn (p) sub.

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  1. galaxim

    galaxim Fapstronaut

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    Hi! This is the answer that I've been giving when someone asks what a "p sub" is:

    "P subs" is everything that eventually leads to relapse, everything that causes you an unhealthy rush of dopamine.

    They vary from person to person. Perhaps a few examples can help:
    -facebook and any other social network with pictures of women, faces, bodies, doesn't matter.
    -looking at body parts on the street, work, university...
    -fantasies: "I could do this with her". "This" might not be strictly sexual, such some sort of romantic feeling, but in my book that would be also a p sub.
    -watching tv-series/movies, music videos... just because they have females or some form of sex.
    -reading highly charged erotic stories.
    -looking at "funny" videos that encourage porn use and/or that have a positive view on porn (cracked, college humor).
    Every person is different. Perhaps if somebody has a foot fetish, a porn sub might be looking at people's feet, I don't know.

    Can we elaborate an official definition for the NoFap dictionary?
     
  2. IGY

    IGY Guest

    According to the dictionary pornography = writings, pictures, films etc, designed to stimulate sexual excitement.

    I suggest in the NoFap dictionary P/subs = writings, pictures, films etc, designed to stimulate sexual excitement (but not as graphic, e.g. with no nudity).
     
  3. galaxim

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    Yes, the problem is that Facebook and other social networks, for example, can act as porn subs and they're not "designed to stimulate sexual excitement" (although they can end up having the same effect).

     
  4. IGY

    IGY Guest

    Yes, good point man. How about this, then:

    According to the dictionary pornography = writings, pictures, films etc, designed to stimulate sexual excitement.

    I suggest in the NoFap dictionary P/subs = writings, pictures, films etc, that stimulates sexual excitement (but not as graphic as porn, e.g. with no nudity).
     
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  5. galaxim

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    I like your definition, because if we start talking about "the rush" or "dopamine", we'd have to leave out the positive activities that can provide you with dopamine, such as exercise.

     
  6. Thechosenone

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    P sub is sexually provocative material, so ideally stay away from any provocative imagery
     
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  7. SomeOneElse

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    Because I saw that "nofap" started on reddit, I initially thought that "p-sub" had something to do with sub-reddits. I think I now understand it properly as "P-Substitute" Where each person might have a different substitute. For me, I have varied from
    watching fully clothed Sybian rides and O-Face videos to watching anime/hentai
    because "It isn't REALLY porn..." I'd say I can't even go to the beach or swimming pool either, because that would absolutely be a p-sub for me.
     
  8. karate01

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    -looking at body parts on the street, work, university...
    -fantasies: "I could do this with her". "This" might not be strictly sexual, such some sort of romantic feeling, but in my book that would be also a p sub.

    I think these two can be a bit counter-intuitive. I thought the purpose of Nofap is to re-introduce us into the real world to be passionate/affectionate with real women, not to avoid them. Thus, I believe these two can be done in moderation (not excessively to the point that one wants to relapse).

    There might be deeper reasons that I can't grasp. Please do kindly tell. Thanks.
     
  9. joarev85

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    I Wonder if audio also is Psub ?
     
  10. incredulo

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    Wait! are you saying that going to the pool or to the beach would be P/subs? I know this might affect people differently but if you are rebooting , hard mode, should you abstain from going swimming or walking on the beach ?
     
  11. WalkingForward

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    I'd say that, if the main reason that you go to a pool/beach is to look at girls in bikinis, that would be a p sub. But if you go there to swim, get a tan, hang out with friends or enjoy the view of the ocean, that would not be a p sub. There might be stages in some people's reboots where going to a pool/beach would be too triggering and would be best avoided. But ultimately that's part of a normal life and something one should be able to do. I think that if you stare at women's bodies, that's a p sub (if it's your girlfriend, that's an exception). There's a difference between just passive seeing, which can't really be helped, and active staring with the intent of staring.

    In my opinion, what counts as a p sub is all about intention. If you look at pictures of fully clothed women, just because you want to look at women, that's a p sub.
     
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  12. incredulo

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    Well said. I agree with you.
     
  13. joarev85

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    Exactly!
     
  14. Ikindaknew

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    Well,

    Not to avoid them yes. But it all depends. If you have a wife or GF and your keep eyeing and fantasizing at each body you see, its working like the coolidge effect for you. You get a neckache also (LOL). So if you keep looking at well endowed women and your GF doesnt have those features, its like you are looking at something better that you feel you dont have. You start to look down on your wife GF for certain things.

    The problem with fantasies nowadays, is that you can quickly fall down the rabbit hole and click on a porn link. Then back to PMO'ing, isolation, beginning of erectile disfunction maybe, issues when you date again (for the singles, but also erection issues for the couples).

    so avoiding objectification and fantasies is basically to avoid being triggered, to avoid relapse.
     
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  15. Jodokus

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    I think there's a confusion between triggers and p-subs. A trigger is something that make someone fall into a routine, certain behaviors, PMO for example. P-subs are just like porn for the one watching it IMO, but without the label "porn". For example if I ever watch girls playing beach-volleyball on a screen, I can assure you that its not for the sport. I will be aroused. If I wank off or not, it has the same effect as porn (maybe less strong though) - therefor I count it as sub.
    Real-life experiences have not the same effect on me as subs (as long as I don't go into a red light district or get shipwrecked on the legendary Island of beautiful sex-hungry girls;)). But maybe that's different for you...
     
  16. TorewannabeShredded

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    I think some of you guys are taking this shit too far. Eliminating walks on the beach, because you might see some Girls in bikinis? If you're making real life people to psubs, then how are you ever gonna make normal relations with other people? Aquire some willpower. Utilize nofap right
     
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  17. Jodokus

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    Good point, TorewannabeSredded (whataname!).
    The best answer I can think of, at least for singles is from Underdog. I will repost it here:


    Thinking About Sex is USELESS

    What's the point of fantasizing?

    It accomplishes nothing.

    It slows down the reboot, increases the urge to masturbate, and reinforces neurological pathways related to porn.

    It's a meaningless activity that should be eliminated.

    It keeps your mind focused on sex, tits, asses, fucking, when it should be shifted towards other activities in life.

    If you find yourself thinking about sex, you should mindfully and calmly redirect your attention to something else.

    You want sex?

    Great.

    Then do something to actually make it happen.

    Fantasizing by itself serves no purpose at all.

    You need to understand that if you want to abstain from orgasm and masturbation, you cannot be thinking about sex and women, because this will inevitably cause you to relapse. Trying to abstain while at the same time fantasizing or peeking at pictures of chicks will only lead to frustration.

    Stay away from any kind of artificial stimulation. Don't take peeks. Don't browse pictures of girls online. Don't type pornstar names on Google image search. Don't read escort forums.

    Do not arouse yourself.

    Basically you have to adopt a philosophy of "I'm either trying to get laid (approaching, texting girls, going out on dates, flirting with women, hanging out with friends, getting rejected) or doing something completely unrelated to sex (work, studying, exercise, fun, reading, playing an instrument, chores, housework, watching movies)".

    There is no grey area where you are alone thinking about sex or checking out girls online. This accomplishes nothing. It serves no real purpose. It will only increase urges, lead to relapse, and make you frustrated.


    QUOTE FROM:
    My Thoughts On Rebooting [EXTREMELY LONG POST]
     

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