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Going Hard Mode (unwanted) and feeling miserable

Discussion in 'Rebooting in a Relationship' started by Manija, Aug 20, 2022.

  1. Manija

    Manija Fapstronaut

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    Hi
    I'm kind of new here. Been reading posts for a while and finally decided to sign up and share my story. Looking for support and maybe some guidance.
    I'm 34, married with no children (none of us want them). We've been having sexual issues for a couple of years now. The beginning was great, as always, having sex every day, then started fading away, had a couple of situations when I felt my wife was feeling oppressed/abused, for me of course it was not the case, I was just trying to make love to the person I love.
    This situation kept ongoing, I've never cheated on her, I have considered having sex with someone else on my darkest moments but understand is not a solution. Instead I gave myself to porn. PMO was not new to me even though I didn't know about the whole NoFap. I hve masturbated to porn all my life, odd ocations in which I've done it on my own but always relaying to porn. Every time my wife rejected me I ended up PMO. This got to a point where I will take any moment alone to discharge, always with porn.
    We have been seeing a counselor for almost a year now, not much progress rather than a space where we can communicate our worries and frustrations with a 3rd person involved to avoid mayor conflict.
    I don't believe I am addicted to porn, instead I believe that porn has deepened my sex "addiction" or "neeed" by creating this a false image of lust and desire always being correspond and wanted by both parts.
    I informed my wife during a session that I was going though a process of masturbation abstinence, I believe here is called a reboot. She felt relieved that I was considering that there was something within me also affecting the relationship and not putting all the blame on her for not getting aroused or wanting to have sex.
    I'm about 7 weeks in, no masturbation at all, not interested in watching porn, just as horny as always. I decided to keep track of everything on a calendar to have a better understanding on the process. We had sex 3 times in these 7 weeks, I aslo started writing down my failed attempts of sexual intercourse, not sure if this is helping but proving a point.
    I am not feeling good about the whole abstinence situation, mentally struggling to get through it, blaming my wife (in my mind of course) for not being supportive and doing her part by being a little bit more sexually open. Even though I don't openly share this feelings with her because I dont want her to feel responsible for something that is wrong within me, I still cannot avoid this affecting my mood and my way of reacting to her. My balls hurt, not as much as in the past where I could masturbate and get rid of it, surprisingly, but still an awkward feeling of disconfort down there.
    Has anyone else gone through this while rebooting? Is there any advice you can give me?
    I don't want to renounce to my sexuallity, but I feel is the only way to get through all of this and keep sharing my life with the person I love.
    I feel lonely and desperate, pretty hopless right now.
    I don't see how keep on going like this for 90 days will change the way I'm feeling, but still will give it a try, at the end of the day, I have nothing to loose.

    Sorry for the extension of this post. But any healthy advice will be kindly received.
     
  2. Welcome @Manija - my suggestion is to stay the course with your "No PM" approach.

    While 90 days works for many, sometimes a reboot may take longer. As someone who has consumed porn for 40 years, I can attest to the level of effort it takes to get clean. For me it has been longer than 90 days, and I still struggle. Journaling is helpful, and reading other member's journals is helpful but sometimes professional help is needed too. Good luck with your journey. You are in control of it!
     
  3. Manija

    Manija Fapstronaut

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    Thank you. I know this won't be something that will happen overnight but it gets really frustrating and I feel really alone during the process. But at the end of the day, it's my process alone, so I guess it's understandable.
     
  4. penitent

    penitent Fapstronaut

    Hey @Manija hang in there. I have a few thoughts.

    First, I agree with Bob above... no PM is probably your best course for now.

    I totally understand what you mean when you said "I don't believe I am addicted to porn, instead I believe that porn has deepened my sex "addiction" or "neeed"". I feel a similar way about my relationship with porn. In some ways, the availability of porn itself creates the desire. If porn didn't exist, a significant part of that drive you feel wouldn't either. I'm pretty confident of this based on my experience. As you continue, you will become familiar with a "new normal" for you. How long it takes depends on a lot of things, one of them is how often you used porn.

    Can you talk a bit more about the differences you have with your wife? It sounds like you'd rather have sex more often, and she'd rather have sex less often. Is that all of it? I am a bit confused about your mention of abuse, but I'd like to understand your situation better.

    I also recommend Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (CBT). This is a process you can do yourself. It involves writing down your thoughts and then writing down responses to the thoughts you don't think are helpful or rational. It sounds a bit silly, but it's actually one of the most well-studied and well-evidenced practices in therapy. I think it could help with those feelings of blame you put on your wife. It could possibly help your wife too. I'd consider bringing it up in your next couple's counseling session.

    The physical feelings... your balls hurting... yeah that's a thing. At least for me, I felt like it wasn't as bad if I didn't... think... about sex so much. Sometimes it was really hard to do this, but at the times I could avoid those thoughts, it helped.
     
  5. Mr Morale

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    Hi @Manija

    I hear that the situation you're going through right now is difficult and I hear that you feel lonely, guilty, desperate and hopeless, but I want you to know that you are not alone. I feel the exact same way a lot of days on my journey, but I would encourage you to stick with it because P M will continue to make the way you're feeling worse. I also want you to know that you're lovable and you are worthy of love. These are words that pick me up on some of my darkest days. Keep on journaling and using NoFap as a resource and I wish you luck on your journey.
     
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  6. happenstance

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    Let me give you our perspective from the betrayal side of things.
    These statements? They all point to cheating as far as we are concerned. This argument has been beaten to death in here. If she thinks it is cheating, then it is cheating.
    Marriage counseling is about useless for those who are active in addiction or betrayal trauma.
    Nobody who is addicted ever does. I would reconsider my position on this. There is a connection.
    I'm sure she did though it was rather misguided help. If you want counseling? Go see a CSAT independent of marriage counseling.
    Keep journaling. That's great. Keep track of all your failures, but also keep track of your successes too, and witness the changes that occur over time.
    Stay the course. You're doing fine. I don't think anybody going through recovery feels good about going through recovery. It's hard. I would remind you though not to blame your wife, and to reassure her that it's not about her. If she is unsupportive, you need to be understanding, empathetic, and validate her feelings. Whether you care to admit it or not, you've put her through hell. And yes, be open, but only if and when she wants to hear it. Otherwise, it all just falls on deaf ears.
    Do share your feelings with her. That's what we want. We want you to share with us. But also remind her that it's not her fault. You'll have to work through how this affects your mood swings and your reactions. Remember, we can't blame anyone for our reactions because our reactions are our actions if that makes any sense.
    My husband used to say that. Now he knows it was all in his head. The whole "blue balls" thing as he called it was all in his head.
    Just everyone.
    Yeah, as discouraged as you are, stay the course. I mean it. You're doing great.
    90 days is pretty insignificant in the big scheme of things. Give it time. It took time to get messed up. It's gonna take time to clean it up. Have patience. You've got this.
     
  7. Manija

    Manija Fapstronaut

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    Hi Penitent
    First of all thanks for your time and your words.

    It sounds as simple as it is, only that across the years the gap grew bigger and bigger, where I have the same sexual needs as I always had and she has less and less.
    She has been through situations in the past where she felt forced to have sex with someone, not that much by physical abuse but more as a social mandate, where if you are seeing someone and that someone wants ta have sex with you, is your duty as a woman to please your man. It took me some time to understand that I was also acting the same way.
    So there are a couple of factors that keep her from being aroused. At some point I also think there is some lack of interest (now and always) and that the fact that now I'm seeing and accepting that my mind is fucked up by porn, gives her some more space to relax and do nothing about it, this is my journey. But again, this is too recent and there are just too many things going through my mind and too many changes. I'm not in her mind and mine is quite revolted atm, so it is a work in progress.
     
  8. Manija

    Manija Fapstronaut

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    Hi happenstance
    I'm not sure if my wife ever considered me watching porn as cheating on her, more like disappointment for a weak manly behavior.
    I also keep on my statement that I don't consider myself as a porn addict, if we go to the definition of the addiction, I don't have the main symptoms, which doesn't mean that it hasn't affected my life and conditionate the way I understand, see, and feel sex. I think that is my main issue and the reason why I decided I wanted to quit it. So yes, there is a connection.
    As per the blue balls, is both mental and physical. You can prevent it from happening by not getting aroused (mental) if you know that there is no chance of having sex (do I know? I always hope the outcome will be positive but I'm only 50% of the equation). This is basically caused by your scrotum getting filled with blood that is retained there waiting for an orgasm (physical). So if you don't get aroused, it won't hurt, but how do I not get aroused? and, do I want not to get aroused? this is part of my fear of renouncing to my sexuality. Maybe giving up on seeking for sex and accepting that it will happen once in a while will sort out most of the problems, but I'm constantly questioning myself, is this the life I want?
    I don't know, I'm going through a rollercoaster of emotions and I'm glad to have this space where I can share with strangers, hear their stories, be heard and get feedback. Even though we might see things differently, I truly appreciate your words of courage.
     
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  9. Manija

    Manija Fapstronaut

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    Thank you for your words. It feels good to know that I'm not the only one feeling this way. I wish I was the only one, cause I honestly don't wish this feelings to no one, but it seems like it is all part of the process and I'm glad that I finally decided to share it and found that I'm not alone.
    I wish you the best on your journey and to be strong. I'm also trying my best.
     
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  10. MarioCorrelos

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    This is so true.

    That's what I had to do. My girlfriend has far less sexual needs than myself, and I just had to accept it. Don't expect it. Consider it just as going out to dinner or to watch a movie together; actually it is just another activity to do as a couple. Sometimes you will both feel like doing it twice in a week, some other times it will be once in a month. And regarding your question, once you pass the initial stage (for me it took about 8 months), sex won't be such an important thing for you and you won't question yourself if that's the life you want. Cause you'll want it as it is.
     

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