HOCD and porn induced homosexual fetishes: a complete guide for freedom

Discussion in 'Problematic Sexual Behavior' started by JustPassingBy01, Jul 6, 2020.

  1. iwontfail67

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    Dude can’t you just leave it. The fact that you post on absolutely every single Hocd thread makes your opinion a joke. We get that this is a personal issue for you and that you have gay people close to you that you feel are being “bashed” by the idea of Hocd. No ones trying to hurt anyone.

    Please take your incredibly uneducated opinion somewhere else because you don’t deserve to make this great post all about you. And why tf are you signing every post off like you’re important or something. That only makes your posts look even dumber.

    -IWF67
     
  2. fedmom

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    I've just found this and it also says hocd is linked to a shortage of serotonin lol.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4347158/
     
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  4. fedmom

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    It says it worked so why would you say that?
     
  5. because read the title of it. here:
    Homosexual Obsessive Compulsive Disorder (HOCD): A Rare Case Report


    He was given a chemical, chemicals are meant to work a lot faster on the problem than 20 weeks so how could it be that the antidepressants he was given do anything.
     
  6. fedmom

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    Well there's only one person so it's not a trial study. It says improvement occurred after 10 weeks and was symptom free after 20 weeks. They typically take a month and it depends on dosage. With the correct dosage the user should actually be cured within a day.
     
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  7. JustPassingBy01

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    Glad it helped.
    Indeed porn induced-fetishes are sometimes manifestations of some deeper psychological problems. As an oposite example to humiliation and low self-esteem, I could mention very violent fetishes where the porn addict fantasies about him being the agressor, these could mean some exagerated feelings of dominance or will to control others and an egoistic personality.
    I think this topic should be more explored to explain the appearance of different types of fetishes, and thus if the person work to solve these psychological problems this could be a great help in dealing with porn-addiction, HOCD and other problems.
    Of course sometimes it's just the novelty factor and simply staying away from porn will do the job, but I noticed that sometimes there are more things going on, so exploring the deeper meaning behind why a person developed such fetishes would be of great help to them.
     
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  8. iwontfail67

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    Bump for the sake that more people need to see this.
     
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  9. greenishmoon

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    Wow. Greatly written, very informative post. Thank you!
     
  10. EndToPorn

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    Hello there, after seeing your comments on the HOCD posts, i started to wonder why do you think that HOCD isn't real. If it is because that "there's no science behind that", it still makes no sense, considering that everybody knows that NoFap and porn addiction lacks a lot of science. I gonna use myself as an example: Since my childhood, I've always been attracted to girls. When i was 13, i started watching porn, and i felt disgusted when i saw a man naked, even in the porn. But, when i was 16, i got tired of just watching girls, so i started watching gay porn, and after some time, i finnaly could get aroused by man. BUT, i could only get aroused when i watched gay porn, and never, literally NEVER could get aroused by man in real life. Now i am 20yo, doing NoFap and healing my brain of those years in porn, still, i cant get aroused by man, even if i try to imagine me having sex with another man, when I'm seeing one, i found really disgusting, like REALLY disgusting. So basically, by my experience, i can confirm that HOCD is real. End of story. I dont know why you keep trying to make people think that they are gay, when in reality, the only thing that happened is that troughout the years of porn, they only developed porn fetishes. Maybe, like someone already said here, you feel like HOCD is something homophobic, which doesn't make any sense.
    Like i previously said, by my own experience, HOCD is real, I'm finnaly getting back to normal after i stopped watching porn, those gay thoughts are fadding away everyday, and I'm finnaly being able to be aroused by girls again, like i could before started watching porn.

    If someone got gay thoughts AFTER seeing porn, is definitely something fake, not what the person really is.
     
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  11. DrabToLight

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    Hey @EndToPorn ,

    If you read my posts in this and every thread on "HOCD", I have consistently said that if you were straight before you started watching porn, you are still straight. I've made it clear that porn cannot turn a straight man gay.

    Open the quote you put in your post (post #30) above. In that post, I say, "✔ That men who were straight before they started watching porn are still straight"

    Yes! Exactly my point. We agree. Porn is the problem. You quoted my text and in that quote, I said, "✔ That everyone addicted to the lie of porn should join us in the real world where we realize porn is a lie. Being a porn addict and worrying about something fake, such as HOCD, take valuable time away from recovery from porn addiction."

    HOCD is homophobic and here is why it is homophobic now and has the potential to be very dangerous:

    There is a long history of "science" declaring homosexuality to be a deviant behavior and then attempting to "cure" it. There is also a long history of various religions declaring homosexuality to be a sin and then starting reparative treatment centers to cure being gay.

    I'm going to backtrack just a bit first. Straight men who watch porn and then watch some gay porn are still straight. It is impossible to turn a straight man gay from him watching gay porn.

    It is the potential transference of the fake term HOCD to actual gay men that is frightening.

    Many conservatives (and for the record, I'm a registered republican) spout nonsense that there is no such thing as a homosexual. They claim that it's a decision gay people make. That at some point in their life, a man simply decided to be gay instead of straight. They see it as a sin and not as a sexuality.

    Over the last century, this has lead to the horrible treatment of gay men. There was no such thing as a homosexual - only straight men with "homosexual ideation". Courts ordered gay men to undergo chemical castration. Some men voluntarily went to "pray the gay away" "treatment" centers where extreme dangerous aversion therapy is practiced. Men are strapped down and shown pictures of nude men. If they get an erection, electric shocks are administered to their genitals. Other treatments include isolation, demeaning humiliation, and corporal punishment.

    HOCD has a very strong potential to replace the term homosexual ideation. If there were to happen, there would be only two types of men in the eyes of homophobic people. Straight men who were living as straight men and straight men who had a condition called HOCD. Treatment for HOCD would then make sense.



    The most vulnerable gay people would be children. Even today, parents are sending their teenage children to "Christian Schools" where they are being tortured with electric shocks and other aversion therapy. No legitimate psychological organization endorses aversion therapy but, it is still used.
     
  12. iwontfail67

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    Bro just leave him alone. He’s not going to stop. The topic of Hocd hits him close to home and that’s why he argues it like his life depends on it. Just don’t wind him up.

    Truth is porn cannot truely turn you gay but it can flash extreme scenarios and images in your head and give you a response. And that paired with anxiety can make someone think they are turning gay because the respond to extreme scenarios. But those extreme scenarios are just the porn addiction trying to achieve reinforcement. Stopping porn and avoiding compulsive behaviour like reminding yourself of the problem is crucial in overcoming this.
     
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  13. DrabToLight

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    A prime example of the danger of using the term HOCD as a replacement for "homosexual ideation".

    See? A person isn't gay, they just have HOCD. This means with "treatment" at the proper "dosage" they can be "symptom free".

    I want to be clear here.

    Yes, some straight men get too deep into the porn swamp and wander into gay porn. The guy then worries that having watched (and perhaps enjoyed) some gay porn that he is broken. He is not broken, he is not gay. The simple solution is to STOP PORN. Treatment is not required.

    The DANGER is that the therm HOCD can easily be abused if it is tagged onto a gay person. Parents, preachers, therapists, hospitals all used "homosexual ideation" as a diagnosis. Then, horrible treatments were used to cure these unwanted thoughts.

    If HOCD (which is a made-up term) is allowed to continue unchallenged as real science, men will be subjected to "treatment". The "case study" above had a cohort of one (1) - a single person. This shows desperation to get HOCD validated by quacks and snake oil salespeople.

    Why? Because there is huge money in curing gay people of being gay. However, before you can cure a gay person of being gay, you need proof that being gay can be cured. To that end, it is required that being gay is not a natural state of being - instead, it has to be an illness, a wrong turn, an incorrect decision, or a sin.

    Now! The money can roll in as you open up your "HOCD Reparative Treatment Center". If history repeats itself, the "treatment" will normally be forced on teenagers by their parents and by adults who've been lied to that being gay is a disease or a sin.

    Watch https://tubitv.com/movies/333082/kidnapped_for_christ

    You can watch it for free on TubiTV.com

    It's a documentary done by a Christian filmmaker. She wanted to show what wonderful work this school was doing in turning gay teens away from the sin of homosexual ideation. Even she, as a true believer that being gay is a sin and that the sin can be cured through Jesus, came to be horrified by the "treatment" that was being inflicted on teenagers by unqualified staff members. All of this was done at a huge cost to the family.

    Of course, they closed the school down after the documentary was released. Then, the school was reopened within months under another name by the exact same people.

    Straight men cannot be turned gay by porn. If porn is bothering them and making them worry that they are watching gay porn, the solution is very simple, STOP WATCHING PORN. Creating a fake medical condition called HOCD will lead down a path where some will make tons of money creating treatment and others will suffer from that treatment up to the point of suicide.

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  14. iwontfail67

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    DarbtoLight is dumb as shit and makes it his mission to preach uneducated lies that Hocd does not exist because the term offends his family members.

    Don’t be like Darb.
     
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  15. I stopped reading his walls of texts as soon as I read HOCD is not real.
     
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  16. iwontfail67

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    It’s funny cause we’ll see him again on the next Hocd post, and the next one after that. He spreads like the plague.
     
  17. hidden guy

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    Hi guys I was wondering if you could help me,

    I have always considered myself to be straight and have never thought about a man in my life in any way, I began watching porn around the age of 11 and it began with the soft stuff, lesbian and vanilla porn but as the years passed (currently 19) I began to look into more extreme types of porn such as shemale, I never considered it to be a problem as I always knew I loved girls and I always walked away from the computer knowing I was straight. I have been in multiple relationships with girls and had multiple sexual encounters throughout my teens and I loved it. I have been with my current girlfriend for 2 and a half years now and everything is going really well, at the start of the year she went travelling for a couple of months and she arrived home just as lockdown started, which meant I couldn't see her for 5/6 months. obviously not having any sexual contact lead to a lot of PMO and escalation to other genres, I found myself PMOing to a lot of BJ scenes and paying a large amount of attention to the male parts, I began to question myself. am I gay? and I had the most amount of anxiety I've ever experienced and I became seriously depressed and thought about ending my life, I managed to go on medication for a short period of time and my anxiety dropped but I am still getting flashes of the images in my head and thoughts of 'you're gay', 'you find men attractive' and this lead me to believe I have porn induced hocd. I am struggling to refrain from PMO at the moment, I managed to go a month without but I relapsed and now I have been relapsing every week or twice a week. The constant recurring of the thoughts is honestly so horrible and I just want it to stop. I just want to be how I was before, not even questioning my sexuality. I have always been into girls and never thought about men in my life until I began escalating through porn genres. someone please help I feel like I am going insane.
     
  18. Calm down man you just described the most classic HOCD. You're not special and many others have already recovered. Looks to me like you're looking for affirmation but if you always remembered yourself as straight and watched vanilla stuff at first then that's it. you don't need more than that. Now focus on a successfull reboot and you got this. Have some faith in it.
     
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  19. Mr. Diesel

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    I also have hocd and it just stops after some time, over time learning to control desire helps hocd
     
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    Thank you man, I have also been getting false attractions towards men and I was just wondering if this is part of hocd? I
     

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