HOCD and porn induced homosexual fetishes: a complete guide for freedom

Discussion in 'Problematic Sexual Behavior' started by JustPassingBy01, Jul 6, 2020.

  1. iwontfail67

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    Don’t bother arguing with him, he does this on every post because the idea of Hocd hurts him in some way. Don’t consider anything he says about the topic factual as it’s all fuelled by an emotional bias. To say Hocd doesn’t exist is basically saying ocd in general doesn’t exist and that’s extremely stupid on his part. Even stupider that he’s still going at it, so just laugh at him and don’t respond.
     
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  2. 5meo

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    wow this is incredible, thank u for taking time to type this out, major help :)
     
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  3. aterius1

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    can anyone please help me, i have hocd bad and im panicking
     
  4. DrabToLight

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    This an easy one. HOCD is a made-up thing. So, don't stress it. Porn CANNOT make you gay. Psychology Today quotes: "HOCD remains largely unrecognized in the larger therapeutic community". It's not real. You are straight. Porn is a lie. Live in the real world.

    Plus, have you noticed that the member who started this thread has made only 8 posts and then left the forum? I think he's just homophobic.
     
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  5. aterius1

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    Then why am i fantasizing about this stuff(it goes away after im not horny)
     
  6. iwontfail67

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    Don’t listen to him, he’s a troll who copy and pastes uneducated responses to Hocd threads because the idea of it offends him. This post is extremely helpful and has helped a lot of people. Don’t let offended dropkicks tell you that why you are experiencing is made up.
     
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  7. DrabToLight

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    It will go away if you stop porn.
     
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  8. archie.hill

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    Here’s a link to the article DrabToLight references regarding HOCD.

    The direct quote DrabToLight uses can be found in the first sentence of the fifth paragraph.

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...homosexual-obsessive-compulsive-disorder-hocd

    The article was written by Joe Kort, Ph.D., LMSW, an AASECT certified sex therapist and supervisor, who specializes in marital affairs, mixed orientation marriages, male sexuality, "sex addiction"/out of control sexual behaviors (OCSB), childhood sexual abuse, LGBTQIA Affirmative Therapy, and Imago Relationship Therapy, offering workshops for singles and couples.

    Ironically, Kort wrote the article to bring greater awareness to HOCD, not claim it doesn’t exist.

    Moreover, he is very pro LGBTQ and recognizes that this issue also affects members of the LGBTQ community.

    Here are some interesting quotes from the article DrabToLight uses to claim HOCD is anti-science and homophobic:

    “...it is a real disorder that some have labeled as Homosexual Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder (HOCD)...”

    “HOCD is also known as Sexual Orientation OCD (to be inclusive of LGBQ sufferers) instead of HOCD. This article is for those who are men, but this can occur for anyone of any gender and any sexual orientation.”

    “When I’m working with men experiencing HOCD, I refer them to a specialist who has training in OCD interventions and medications, in addition to working with me. Very few therapists work with both, and hopefully this will change as there becomes an increase in awareness of HOCD.”

    I find it fascinating that DrabToLight quotes this article as a basis to further his claims that HOCD doesn’t exist and that it’s homophobic, as the article in fact contradicts both of DrabToLight’s claims.

    I encourage everyone to read the entire article and I hope that it is helpful and validating for those within our community whom are suffering with this issue and whom have come to this forum for support and help.
     
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  9. StonePlacidity

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    "it will go away if you stop porn", which means porn has an effect the HOCD thought. Dude seriously you're contradicting with yourself. This post is amazing and extremely helpful for everyone including those without HOCD. In contrary you are making new fapstronauts even more confused about their HOCD.
     
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  10. iwontfail67

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    Don’t argue with him, that’s what he wants so he can further push his deluded view.

    Consider Darbtolight as the embodiment of HOCD and don’t argue with him. Don’t give it any power and let it pass.
     
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  11. DrabToLight

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    1. There is no such thing as HOCD. It was invented by the homophobic right-wing to create a pseudo-scientific "disease" that can be cured. HOCD is either viewed as a sin or something in need of treatment.

    2. NoFap is a secular science-based program. Read the mission statement on the front page at nofap.com or read where I've included it in my tag line. Nonsense such as HOCD has no place in a science-based program.

    3. The author of this so-called guide has done a "drive-by" post. It was posted as the author's 8th post and then no further posts. All 8 of the author's posts were in this thread. https://forum.nofap.com/index.php?search/70369481/

    4. The author hasn't logged back on since July 31, 2020. https://forum.nofap.com/index.php?members/justpassingby01.404304/

    5. The author's member name is "JustPassingBy01". Seriously, 8 posts and a name of "Just Passing By". That's the very definition of a hit and run post.

    6. The author has one comment on his profile and has never posted on his own profile. Really? The author has this much information and this much passion to write this nonsense HOCD guide and yet doesn't engage in the community at all?

    7. I call shenanigans on the author's commitment to NoFap and its goals. The author was Just Passing By and threw out this turd to stir up conversation about the non-science based HOCD.

    8. The author needs to have a light shown on his activities here. That way each member can judge for themselves the credibility of the contents of the OP's post.

    9. I don't find posts by a member who as 3 points, 34 likes, and 8 trophy points to be "amazing and extremely helpful for everyone".

    10. Calling HOCD a made-up science isn't confusing people, it's helping them.

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  12. DrabToLight

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    True, and still, Kort wrote: "HOCD remains largely unrecognized in the larger therapeutic community"

    So, to break it down:

    1. Kort believes in HOCD
    2. He admits that his views are in contrast the "the larger therapeutic community".

    That is similar to an author writing an article that says, "the larger scientific word does not believe in the Easter Bunny."

    Then, he goes on to explain exactly why he believes the Easter Bunny is real.

    Any rational person would understand the author would be extreme and on the outside of the overall belief of the science community as is Kort.

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  13. iwontfail67

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    Darb no one likes you, fuck off buddy.
     
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    You have a lot of great posts on other subjects and you’re clearly attempting to use logic here, which I appreciate.

    The article quoted below may help you re-examine your reasoning regarding your analogy with the Easter Bunny.

    I suspect you have an unconscious bias regarding HOCD, and I hope this provides you with an opportunity for self-inquiry.

    https://effectiviology.com/straw-man-arguments-recognize-counter-use/

    “How a strawman works
    In general, the use of a strawman consists of the following three stages:

    • First, person A states their position.
    • Then, person B presents a distorted version of person A’s original position, while pretending that there’s no difference between the two versions.
    • Finally, person B attacks the distorted version of person A’s position, and acts as if this invalidates person A’s original argument.
    Essentially, person B creates a strawman, which is a distorted version of their opponent’s original argument, which makes it easier for them to attack their opponent’s stance.

    This means that there is a flaw in the premise of the strawman argument, since the stance that it addresses doesn’t accurately reflect the stance that it was originally meant to address. As such, the strawman fallacy is considered to be a type of an informal logical fallacy, and specifically a type of a relevance fallacy, since the person using it is attacking a stance that is not directly relevant to the discussion at hand.”
     
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  17. DrabToLight

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    Yes, I am well aware of how a strawman argument works. That is not what I did. I didn't make Kort's argument for him with an obvious flaw for me to destroy later. Instead, I used an equal example of a scientist admitting he was outside the mainstream of science and yet still insisting his fantasy was right.

    No. My bias towards HOCD is quite conscious and open. I've will argue that HOCD is fake science made up for one purpose. This is to put a pseudo-scientific spin on homosexuality so that being gay isn't real it's just a mental illness that can be cured.

    I do understand that on NoFap most people worried about HOCD are straight men who watched gay porn. They are convinced something is wrong with them. When the discover the made-up term HOCD, they grab onto it. It damages recovery from porn addiction because it turns the focus away from stopping porn and towards HOCD.

    The truth is that the cure for HOCD is to stop watching all porn.

    The danger in HOCD is that it will replace "Homosexual Ideation" (a popular term to describe gay people from 1900 into the 1970s). Homosexual Ideation was a crime and was openly cured with castration - either physical or chemical. But! good news, if the man with homosexual ideation agreed to castration, he could avoid prison time.

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    In 1961 a 19-year-old male was castrated at UCLA Medical Center to "cure" his homosexual ideations. The age of majority was 21 at that time and his castration was the result of his parents being worried and sending him to a psychologist. The psychologist suggested to the parents that a subcapsular orchiectomy (castration) would stop their son's homosexual ideation.

    Notice that after his castration the report from the medical team says: "Patient indicated overall satisfaction with the procedure..." Ya think! They'd already castrated him, imagine what they would do next if he said he wasn't satisfied?
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    After homosexual ideation was proven to be a fraud, came "Conversion Therapy" or "Reparative Therapy". This was based on the fact there is no such thing as a homosexual. Homosexuality is deemed by Conversion camps, schools, and programs to be unnatural, undesirable, or morally wrong, and the people that sell Conversion Therapy consider sexual orientation a choice irrespective that a large majority of human beings find their sexual inclinations to be inborn and innate.

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    In many countries today, being gay is a crime that carries the death penalty.

    Of course, as with the 19-year-old male in 1961, it is minors who normally suffer at the hands of the monsters running these "pray the gay away" camps and if that doesn't work they move on to aversion therapy.

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    With aversion therapy, gay men have something horrible done to them when they view pictures of nude men. Either an electric shock is given to the genitals (for their own good as it is better than burning in hell fires forever) or an IV line has a chemical pushed into it to make them violently vomit.

    It doesn't work and is considered torture now in most US states. However, the "schools" for teenage gay males have just moved out of the country.

    I clearly see HOCD as being the next justification for the "treatment" of gay men. Gay men who will suffer from horrible torture - including electric shocks when they see images of nude males. The only thing that will do is give them an erection when they pay their electric bill.

    Yes, before you try to justify HOCD as being something straight men have, I understand that point. We just disagree that HOCD is something separate from porn addiction.

    I say that treating HOCD instead of porn addiction for straight men is waste of time. NoFap is science-based and secular. Many of the posts where people are begging for help with HOCD don't even mention that they want to stop using porn.

    In case you don't see the overall harm that a claim that straight men can "turn gay" can do, I offer one more truth:
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    The Pulse night club murders are not ancient history. These murders are current events and more proof that telling people that gay desires are just a wrong turn or a choice can lead to horrible outcomes. Whenever being gay is minimalized by a pseudo-scientific term, it gives justification for gay-bashing and murders.

    So, if TLDR: read it anyway.

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  18. DrabToLight

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    This an easy one. HOCD is a made-up thing. So, don't stress it. Porn CANNOT make you gay. Psychology Today quotes: "HOCD remains largely unrecognized in the larger therapeutic community". It's not real. You are straight. Porn is a lie. Live in the real world.
     
  19. iwontfail67

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    His relatives are gay and he thinks that Hocd is “gay bashing”, which is why he takes such offence to it. Obviously everyone knows that Hocd is clearly not gay bashing.

    I think his temporary suspension might have something to do with the onslaught he’s giving all the Hocd posts.
     
  20. Kantomo

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    Thank you so much for the post. You've helped me a lot with such precision. You should make it a book or something. Really.
     

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