HOCD morphed into TOCD.

Discussion in 'Problematic Sexual Behavior' started by Penninesandcheviots, Apr 11, 2020.

  1. DrabToLight

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    Hummmm...

    I'm not even sure where to start with this one.

    First, no. I won't look it up because my education allows me to figure out what words mean. I know the definition of "sexual". I know the definition of "masochism". I know the definition of "disorder".

    So, I have no need to look that up.

    Now, as to being a fool. Weren't we talking about the made-up disorder called HOCD? I mean if I remember correctly, that was the topic. So, why am I a fool for not looking up SMD? I think you might have this thread confused with another one because your comment was way off-topic.

    It does, however, make again wonder if this community is worth the effort. When the members aren't making up conditions and gay-bashing using HOCD, they are calling other members "fool"
     
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  2. DrabToLight

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    Nothing I said was wrong. HOCD is just a thin disguise for homophobia.

    Here are some other things I can help you understand.

    1. We really did land on the moon.
    2. The world is not flat.
    3. The earth is 5 billion years old.
    4. Aliens didn't land at Rosswell.
    5. HOCD is just the latest nonsense being spread around by conservatives (all over the world) to make being a bigot sound scientific.

    For the record, I never said the OP was a bigot. I said the OP bought into language and terms being spread by bigots.

    Yes, there is. If you want to see what is homophobic about someone who believes HOCD is a real condition, look in the mirror.
     
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  3. Rusername

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    You hate conservatives and yet you use same tactics as they do, denying science when it doesnt agree with your vision of the world. You should try being conservative, maybe there is opportunity for you there.
     
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  4. Supination

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  5. fedmom

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    The fetish the op has is sexual masochism which isn't the same as being gay. Sorry if it's confusing lol. Another way to make this simpler for you is gay men aren't attracted to women.
     
  6. AtomicTango

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    If what you are saying is true, explain this, taken just before the Roswell aliens teamed up with Donald Trump to fake the moon landings. The green screen is so they could superimpose a spherical earth in the background of shots, of course the real earth is a dodecahedron. Checkmate atheists.

    Wow what a great point and well made, I'm convinced!

    Nah seriously, I'm sure you can do better than this, this is some low effort argumentation if I've ever seen it.
     
  7. ankith

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    Dude read this story about someone who has come out of HOCD, if what he tells doesn't satisfy you then it means you are not open minded.

    https://forum.nofap.com/index.php?threads/5-years-struggle-severe-hocd-transexual-porn.129195/

    P.S: I just saw that you are a straight guy trying to support gay people, well that is really a good thing, even I support them, but there are things you should know before blindly saying that something is wrong. First of all you don't even understand what these people, who are suffering from HOCD are feeling. Based on few wrong advice given by someone, to gay people as having a HOCD here in this Nofap community, you can't bluntly dismiss saying that there doesn't exist such disorder.
     
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  8. Supination

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    Drab forgets that Gay people are made of the same materials as straight people. They watch porn too, get addicted too and they ain't protected from suffering the same OCD. I've seen many gay people who are suffering from Sexual orientation ocd/HOCD(Hetrosexual OCD) here who lost attraction towards their own sex gender and developed HOCD. You can read about it here: https://www.madeofmillions.com/ocd/sexual-orientation-ocd and here https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/reb...p/hocd-homosexual-ocd-sexual-orientation-ocd/ and here:
    http://www.steveseay.com/sexual-obsessions-ocd/

    Sexual obsessions can also affect gay men, lesbians, or bisexual individuals with OCD, who may become fearful about the possibility of becoming straight (“Straight OCD”). The common element that unites these seemingly opposite sexual obsessions is the fear of being attracted to something unwanted, taboo, or “unacceptable” based on one’s particular worldview. For the sake of simplicity, I’ll be using HOCD-centric language in this post. However, the same basic elements are directly applicable to all people with obsessive doubts about their sexual orientation.

    Maybe Drab will finaly understand the meaning of HOCD. But nah, Clearly he isn't that smart to educate himself with the above information or maybe he just decided to ignore them. Instead, he prefers to base his opinion on pure nonsense, Oh! and of course on telling me to look at myself in the mirror, let's not forget that.
    Holy shit, so basically according to Drab's ideology, Gay people who suffer from Straight OCD are straightphobics. And because we believe in HOCD and SOCD were ALL Straightphobics!!
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  9. AtomicTango

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    Well said, I didn't think of that but its a good point. I dont know what it is about HOCD that makes people so unwilling to accept it exists, other than the very simplistic logic of "well its to do with gays so therefore its homophobic" which is honestly just a ridiculous line of thinking. I would love to hear an actual detailed explanation as to why Drab thinks we are homophobic beyond just saying we are, but somehow I dont think we are going to get one. I would love to be proven wrong though.

    PS: Might be worth editing "OP" to "Drab" or something, because OP in this context is Penninesandcheviots, as he is still the original poster and anyone reading this might get confused about who you are talking about.
     
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  10. Supination

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    Huge mistake! Fixed it. Thank you!
     
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  11. You don't even listen to the thread, all you can come up with is politics, so you don't have to think, It's ignorant to the person who posted, selfish because your post is just about you trying to fell better and more "moral" and potentially harmful. He is writing about his issues and how he struggles with his doubts, and you tell him to "accept" what your family member are, wtf.
     
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  12. AtomicTango

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    I was really hoping for an proper explanation as to why he thinks this way, as opposed to just being called homophobic, but it seems that hes now leaving the site because of all the "gay bashing" so guess I will never get one.
     
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  13. Just some information for you: Trans-porn is one of the most watched categories in Porn. 75% of people who watch T-Porn or go to T-hookers are straight male men. Just read more threads on NoFap, you will be shocked how many people struggle with that. If I might resume how this happens most of the time:
    People desensitize with normal "vanilla" porn, so they have to watch something harder in order to get excited about that. So they start watching brutal clips, rapes, group sex, extreme bondage, and at some point they end up with gay porn or trans porn because it is so far off what they consider normal.

    I went down that road and before starting NoFap, I had just the same doubts. For me it was the fact that I did not want to take responsibility for my life. I did not want the burden of being a man, the person that is supposed to take care of weaker family members and friends. And this behaviour is reflected in wanting to be the passive part in sex. First, I was happy when the women would take over, then I was interested in receiving a dick. Finally I thought, that the logical conclusion was that I could be trans.

    Today this idea is ridiculous to me. I never had these ideas all my life. My advice to you: relax, try to observe yourself from the outside. Try to understand yourself. Don't just think about porn and masturbation but about everything that is not right in your life. Then try to get your act together, take responsibility for yourself and move forward, step by step. Then you will see and know, who you really are.
    Please make no decision while being emotionally weakened and unstable give yourself some time.

    You don't seem to be happy, obviously. Well life isn't always like a day in Disney Land. And most of all: don't think that a transition would solve your problems and make you happy. In fact, the suicidal rate among Transsexuals is considerably higher than among the general population and it does not decreases after they try to change their sex. This is a strong indication for the fact that their problems are not gender disphoria but something deeper.
     
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  14. brilliantidiot

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    He's apparently an extreme snowflake. Or something worse.
     
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    Agreed. Probably one of the most hated facts out there.
     
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  16. AtomicTango

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    I honestly dont get it, I really dont wish these people any ill will but I just dont understand the mindset of someone who jumps into a thread like this and instead of addressing the OP directly starts going off on a tirade about not offending gays, despite the fact that the reverse of HOCD is a thing that exists as well. HOCD has nothing to do with ACTUAL homosexuality, its just a form of HOCD, it cant be this hard to understand it.

    I never got the chance to even explain to the guy that I never had HOCD, so me using it as a scapegoat to mask my own homophobia or some shit was completely off base, it just pisses me off when people try to pretend mental illness doesnt exist, that really gets under my skin.
     
  17. NihilisticConfusion

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    Just know brother if you ever allow this to make you act out in real life it will be the biggest mistake of your life. Their is nothing natural about transitioning it doesn't change you as a person just your appearance. You will not be a woman but a demented mutilated sad man. Don't let these pornographers warp your sexuality like that man! Why would a society allow this, ask your self why is it being normalized. I had HOCD before it is real don't listen to the other asshole in the thread. Whenever a weird thought comes in your head just stop your train of thought right there and think something positive. It actually works, you have to retrain your brain.
     
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  18. growpotatoes

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    Hi Penn'

    You can read my intro, could be relevant. Same shit here, basically.

    It all started with HOCD, then I began to get aroused by picturing myself as a slutty girl, taking stuff in my ass etc. Asked myself obsessively if I was TG and should transition.
    Meanwhile I like my facial hair. And I'm thin but I like when I get big pecs after a push-up session, etc. Many things should reassure me that I am actually better as a man.
    But it does not. Won't go away. It's the OCD part in my opinion. Same as a person who have a hand washing OCD, you'll not make it go away just through rational reasoning.

    Yes we have a sissy kink, definitely. It will probably fade away (dunno how much) if you stop watching porn, because then your brain will tend to forget the slutty images that porn associates to feminity, and which in turn feed the sissy arousal. When we masturbate "in a girl's skin", I bet all the images (of ourselves) we get in our mind are very porn-like. That's one thing, and that's why I've started a no-porn.

    But because of the OCD we make this kink overwhelming by thinking about it ALL THE F****** TIME (because we are afraid of it, ashamed etc).
    This is the part that we can change in my opinion.
    First thing is, accept you have this kink, but that it shouldn't take over your mind. That it's a minor thing. That you're not going to fall into transitioning just because of fap sessions where you self-insert and feel like a girl. Forget about it. Whenever you meet a trigger, or the thoughts just pop out of nowhere, kick them away by getting your mind or body busy. I don't know what you're into, but maybe start a coding projet, open a mathematics course and try to do the exercises, read a book, go out and have a walk, etc. It's tough with the quarantine but it's feasible.

    This thing is tricky because if we accept this fetish, it shouldn't mean we should accept the compulsive part of it.
    We have to understand that.
    It's like having totally "normal" sexual fantasies BUT those fantasies would pop in your mind every second. Should you then give credit to it and "transition" to a sex machine whose life is only directed to having sex? Wouldn't that be a horrible perspective too, even though you would have perfectly "normal" sex? Nope. You would seek help and adopt strategies to not let this thing invade your mind all the time.
    Same with the sissy stuff.

    It's just my 2 cents but since this weekend I have thought about it quite a lot and it starts to make sense to me.
     
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  19. growpotatoes

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    By the way don't hesitate to PM me. Seems like a bunch of people here are not exactly positive/healthy individuals.
     
  20. I've been there, I can assure you, it will fade away, but it takes really a long time. Sometimes I thought it was over and it never came back, and few weeks later it was back,
    But I learned to deal with it and the urges become weak. You just should never give in. Especially when things don't work out in live as we want, there is the thought "just f***k it and let yourself go"

    And there is something beyond porn and shemale addiction. It's something in our personal lives that we have to fix. The more we fix our problems, the less we are attracted to weird porn. It's a coping mechanism.

    Good luck guys.
     
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