How Could Access by Under-aged teenagers be Enforced?

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  1. greenmtnboy

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    This is clearly a health crisis. One member of the forum spoke about most all of his peers who are around 14 years old are regular watchers of porn. The laws and rules on this are clear. You could have jurisdictional enforcement, town by town. The parents need to be responsible and others are charged with that duty as well. Why aren't they doing their jobs?
     
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  2. oryxcrstl

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    How would you be able to enforce this? Early education would be better. They only did something in my high school health class, which was too late.
     
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  3. mr.incognito

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    Warning labels required by law - like they do with cigarettes - on all porn sites, including softcore, webcam strippers, cartoons etc, saying that pmo is harmful to mental and physical health, along with mandatory links to nofap and "Your Brain on Porn".
    It needs to be talked about in sex ed too. When I was a teenager we didn't get a warning, we were told masturbation is natural and no big deal. I don't know what they teach today.
     
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  4. Lord Pickles

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    Yeah man I totally agree with you. It just pisses the hell out of me that porn still gets a pass. Porn has literally destroyed my life and millions of others. And even if they are passing it then they should definitely put labels on porn websites and sex education is a must.
     
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  5. I don't think using governmental power to criminalize people is the right tool for this job. The government is not very good at upholding moral principles, and especially ones that people don't unanimously agree with. I prefer the route of education - and if we want to subsidize a more useful regime of sex education then we could partly solve the issue without hurting anyone.
     
  6. magic05

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    There's nothing much to do. When I was 14 there were no smart phones, but porn was already so easily accessible on TV and the Internet (torrent).

    Even if governments ban entire sites (censorship - I'm against it), people will just use a VPN or something.

    I guess in school there should be a new subject that focuses only on media addiction (including social media, news sites and of course porn addiction).

    But usually you only realize how damaging PMO is, when you are already fully addicted to it. In the beginning it's just pure excitement and an adrenaline rush. Teenagers won't listen to you until they are addicts themselves I'm afraid.
     
  7. Quitterrr

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    Well vpns cost money, making teens (the 14 yr old is me) and other young people have to pay to use it, well we don't have money and we ain't gon go up to our parents asking money for pmo, user that education it a young age is a solution
     
  8. Quitterrr

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    Warning labels are an astounding idea, it's just how can we enforce these fuck faces to put warnings?
     
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  9. mr.incognito

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    I listened to all the anti-drug stuff we were taught in school, as did many other people; for example, marijuana is often a doorway drug despite what all the "cool" people say. Addictions almost always start in the teen years, that's why there are very few alcoholics who started at 30, or later if any. If someone is stupid enough to get addicted even after they get a ton of warnings it's their own damn fault, they aren't a victim and there's no one to blame but themself.
     
  10. magic05

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    Actually there are tons of free VPNs and anonymous browsers that come free. And most governments are too stupid to block a site, they usually only block the DNS, but not the actual IP address. It's just too easy to circumvent, so government censorship is completely senseless and even dangerous, cause they will only use porn as an excuse to afterwards censor non-porn stuff. And new streaming sites will just pop up as quick as all the other filesharing equivalents nowadays.

    I think the only way to battle it is through education. It's not just porn, it's all media that can be potentially addictive (all the social media crap) and even more so to teens. They need to be warned how addictive and damaging it is. But you need some proper teachers for that, at best someone who went through the exact same ordeal themselves.
     
  11. magic05

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    Not sure if that's enough. I got warned from cigarettes (even being on the label) and alcohol as well and still indulged at it way too young despite knowing better. Peer pressure is high - you can hardly escape it in high school. I think that pressure is the real reason why people become addicted to physical drugs as teenagers. When you are 16 you feel like you are invincible and of course you don't want to be excluded from your peer group.

    Porn addiction is another matter though, there is no real peer pressure like with cigarettes/alcohol/weed, but the natural sex drive itself starting at those years coupled with unlimited access to Internet porn is an addictive time bomb.
     
  12. Dub_Bass

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    It is damn near impossible to regulate. All those flash game sites, comic books, the absurd number of tube/free sites. Back when i started, the only barrier was a warming page lol. Its like going to a club or bar with a sign that says "must be 21 to enter" but there is no bouncer and nobody cards you.

    I guess off the top of my head...

    Sites that exclusivity host adult material in any form set up a pay wall or account/age verification wall in order to access the site. Phub and all of their network, cam sites, manga/comic sites, etc. I guess a good starting point would be to focus on video sites but any site which exclusively hosts videos will need to have users verify their age and/or pay to access material. However, with all that $$$ coming in these sites could invest in an even more potent experience.

    Forcing users to pay and/or verify would stop a lot of teens and children off top. However, for older users i think it may cause them to act out in other ways, whether literature and actively seeking out risky sex.
     
  13. greenmtnboy

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    There have got to be a lot of tough, common sense and effective solutions to this social crisis. How are other countries dealing with it? Germany, France, Great Britain, Spain? Is one cause that people, as CS Lewis inferred are so affection and sex starved that prurient displays of naked sexuality have come to replace the real thing?

    What is truly shocking to me on this issue are that young teens, possibly as young as 12 and 13 are viewing mainstream porn. And I can imagine what may be the most addictive for various groups. For the early teens hit them with teen schoolgirl types in ecstasy. Tough guy types like brutalizing and abusive scenes; they themselves may have been badly abused and have not sought psychological help or help from a minister.

    I was talking to a teacher earlier who has heard from guys about why they watch violent videos. "That's my blood" they say as they watch or play sadistic video games.

    No doubt this is a major crisis. I would be in favor of any forthright and aggressive solutions. And we have heard from the anti government libertarians for too long on these issues that there is no society wide, collective and smart solution. That is probably the only remedy that would work on such a pervasive problem. The problem is access as the drug is as available to anyone with computer or device access.
     
  14. If you really are serious about it, then start campaigning in your locality, get hold of a local politician and build up from there. Get it done, and you'll realize the pros and cons soon enough.
     
  15. Take away computers!
     
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  16. mr.incognito

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    Good advice shouldn't be withheld just because some people can't get it. Some people will get it, the message is for them. Put the idea out there, why does it need to be justified when it's opposite is put out there as if it were natural and inevitable. "Let's put porn on the internet." vs "Let's tell the truth on the internet, and elsewhere, that pmo is harmful to body and brain." The second statement requires scientific proof, backing studies, the word of authority, otherwise it gets resisted, while the first isn't even questioned it's treated as if it just grows on trees. Porn is big. Nofap is small. It's so unbelievably disproportionate that an alarm should go off in any sane person's mind when they see that the option of not jacking off isn't even acknowledged as a viable option, it's not considered as even being an option, "pmo has been and always will be". Porn is any image that you jack off to, like I'm not even into all the weird hardcore shit I see some people are into on this site, so it's really the process that people need to be warned against, computers aren't the problem because in the future after the internet there will just be even higher tech porn - a porn so technologically advanced that it will look like magic lol.
     
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  17. magic05

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    Yeah actually I keep thinking that we are still the lucky ones despite the high speed Internet and endless amount of streaming sites. At least we are only addicted to 2D porn. Cause in a decade VR will take over and the addictive factor will increase a 100x times. What we are addicted to now, will be seen as pretty lame then.

    Education is the key. But if you look at the rapid development from the first introduction of digital porn (from the VHS of the 70s to slow Internet in the early 2000s to unlimited Internet in the late 2000s and now to 4K porn in 2020), I think this is going to be a global disaster and will make PMO addiction a mainstream topic eventually. Young people need to be warned at an early age.
     
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  18. Quitterrr

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    Most of the people here never knew that looking at your screen is addictive until it's too late
     
  19. fredisthebes

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    Education is definitely the starting point. However, some kind of restriction also seems sensible. It's not about preventing people from viewing porn at all costs - like you say, addicts will always find a way, even if it's restricted to the black market or deep web etc. It's about preventing a computer illiterate 9 year old from accidentally clicking on the wrong webpage. It's about hardcore porn being two clicks away. The harder it is to 'stumble across' porn 'accidentally', the fewer people will click on it. Especially if they have been warned about the negative consequences (which I, and many other people, never were).
     
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  20. fredisthebes

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    A few major players - the likes of Mindgeek - pressured into implementing a basic age verification system would have an enormous impact.
     

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