How do you lose testosterone from masturbation but not sex?

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by StraightEdge3616, Apr 1, 2018.

  1. StraightEdge3616

    StraightEdge3616 Fapstronaut

    Is this true? If so, how?

    I've heard people say you lose testosterone from masturbation but I've never heard that's the case from sex. I'm not discounting that, I'm just asking if that is true, how? Let's say you fap 3 times a week compared to sex 3 times a week. How does just the act of your hand make you lose testosterone if in both cases you are still "O'ing"?

    Just confused on that, thanks.
     
  2. diddykong

    diddykong Fapstronaut

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    The evidence is pretty varied. This is about the best summary that I have seen: https://www.livestrong.com/article/246689-the-effects-of-masturbation-on-testosterone/

    Essentially, the evidence largely boils down to there being no significant difference in testosterone after orgasm. The difference between solo and partner orgasm could be explained by the fact that simply having a partner could raise testosterone. Likewise, testosterone could be reduced simply by the fact that you are masturbating and are not with a partner. There do not seem to be a huge number of studies that this is drawn from though and there is a large disparity between the data that is obtained between the studies which suggests that there are probably a number of factors at play.
     
  3. StraightEdge3616

    StraightEdge3616 Fapstronaut

    Ok so what I'm possibly reading is that despite everyone saying it.....masturbation or sex with someone might not have any affect on testosterone?
     
  4. metalshivam01

    metalshivam01 Fapstronaut

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  5. SaltedPeter

    SaltedPeter Fapstronaut

    From what I understand Serotonin and Dopamine levels react different to sex and watching porn
    seems that sex helps keep testosterone levels normal why porn depletes dopamine levels and how serotonin works which unless I am wrong serotonin helps keep testosterone levels also normal.
     
  6. diddykong

    diddykong Fapstronaut

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    That seems to be what the body of science suggests. More:
    https://examine.com/nutrition/does-ejaculation-affect-testosterone-levels/
    https://www.anabolicmen.com/ejaculation-testosterone/

    A short period of abstinence may increase your testosterone levels and a longer period of abstinence may reduce them, however there are probably a number of factors that contribute.

    Ejaculation is associated with a rise in prolactin which in turn reduces dopamine.
     
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  7. I personally believe that the actual ejaculation is the same. If you have SO three times a week, it will be the same as if you MO three times a week. However people who MO, and especially PMO aren't doing it three times a week haha. The actual ejaculation and O are healthy. If you found yourself on this website, or looking at those articles, you more than likely are an addict. A glass of wine once a week can be good for you, but alcoholics are not drinking one glass of wine a week. You should complete a solid reboot before you decide what is healthy and not healthy for yourself.

    Good luck!
     
  8. StraightEdge3616

    StraightEdge3616 Fapstronaut

    Um, thanks but I'm not new here lol. I've been here for two years. And yes it is very possible to only PMO three times a week because that was my schedule when I'm not rebooting. It's not always everyday.

    I'm just asking because I'm curious. So if testosterone truly doesn't lower for sex OR for PMO, then I think people need to stop saying it's a benefit of abstinence from PM?
     
  9. I never said you were new here, and don't know what that has to do with your post and my reply. I'm sure the science isn't that simple. It's probably a variety of things that can lower a person's testosterone; diet, lifestyle, genes, etc. If you truly PMO about three times a week then either you don't have a problem, or imo don't have a problem yet.
     
  10. Anonymous86

    Anonymous86 Fapstronaut

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    What's 'SO'?
     
  11. It's what I use to describe sex (or sexual intercourse) to orgasm.
     
  12. Kenzi

    Kenzi Fapstronaut

    When you are pming you are on a dopamine /cortisol circuit only of your brain.
    It's called the reward cycle.
    When you have sex, dopamine is present but so are Serotonin and oxytocin which when you orgasm keeps the dopamine levels from crashing which keeps your brain from making cortisol.
    When your brain make ccortisol, it in turn, stops telling the body to produce testosterone.
    (the brain can only do certain things at certain times)
    The more you up the dopamine, the more cortisol you have to produce to "even out" after every masturbation.
    Therefore you will make less testosterone over a period of time.
    Having lots of sex with a partner in a caring relationship, doesn't do that.
    If you use another person as a masterbastion aid, the same dopamine /cortisol circuit is active.
    You also know this as the Coolidge Effect.
    It's science.

    Dopamine is the high... Cortisol is what keeps you coming back.
    It's the depression chemical and the brain fog... And in some people, anger.
    This is the cycle of addiction.
     
  13. SaltedPeter

    SaltedPeter Fapstronaut

    Nicely said .
     

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