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How do you tell someone you care about that they're affecting your reboot?

Discussion in 'Porn-Induced Sexual Dysfunctions' started by Anonymous86, Jul 24, 2017.

  1. Anonymous86

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    When they don't really kind of understand the reboot process from PIED and that I'm "worrying" about it too much? Though I do have a slight hunch he may believe in NoFap. Not sure about PIED though.

    I'm guessing that this board is going to go into the direction of and would probably tell me to "forget about them" and "move onto someone else" but I'm ignoring that right now. I'm obviously infatuated and some people on this board don't understand how horrible it feels to be on the other side. I know that I'm not in a situation for a relationship seeing as how I have PIED. It's not easy. It's true that I need to find someone else, but I'm a virgin with PIED that needs to stay away from sex.

    Basically, I have feelings for someone who has someone right now, but continuously messages me online on occasion and I get well...a bit of a small erection sometimes depending on the situation.

    How do you avoid a sexual stimulation from someone online who liked you at one point but continuously messages you? How do you turn them down appropriately without destroying the relationship/friendship so I can see if I can get this reboot started?

    The hard-cold true answer would be to block or take them off Facebook. I don't want to think of blocking them or taking them off right now. It's way too painful and rude (to them as well seeing as they did nothing wrong).

    I'm very scared and borderline suicidal at some points. We haven't spoken for months at one point (between January and May). So I could have used that time to reboot.

    I'm beyond frightened and sad. I am beyond lost.

    I am gay btw. So I have no gay friends (but him). There aren't any LGBT groups near me where I live.

    I really hate myself for this situation. I wish I can think of him as a friend and I should because he's well, taken. If there was a way I can think of him as a friend and not as a sexual friend, I'd be on that right away.

    I am in psychotherapy, so perhaps the therapist can help me more.

    Is meditation helpful for this?
     
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  2. YngwieWanksteen

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    Like you say, if there was a way of thinking of him as simply a friend and not a sexual friend, you'd be on that right away.

    You want him to stop contacting you because it affects your reboot, but you don't want to block him.

    Why not ask for some space? Say, "hey I appreciate you as a friend but I'm working through some stuff right now, I need some space/time off".

    I think you already know what you need to do. There's a saying, we always know the right thing to do, the hard part is doing it. You can't live with him and you don't want to live without him.
     
  3. DBug

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    Hi there!

    Well if he's heardof NoFap that's a start! For compelling evidence for the existence of PIED head over to yourbrainonporn.com - they link all the articles, opinions and studies on the topic.

    I think your action should depend on what you want from each other. If you just want to hook up I could understand you not wanting to do it while rebooting (although one could argue that it could help rewiring a bit - reminding your brain that there is a natural kind of arousal besides porn. I mean what's the worst thing that could happen? You won't get an erection - so what? Well then just cuddle or do oral or sth. Just try to relax as best as you can, accept the sitation and have fun! Granted, relaxing with a limp penis isn't easy but it can be done! I found it to be an important experience! It showed me that I am still a man, I can still please a women and I can have fun with her even when limp.)

    If you 2 are interested in a long term relationship then I think you should really condider it! And it's not like you can't have fun in bed until your PIED goes away. Granted this could take a while but it still could be worth it. Yes, Sex in the first 1-3 months of your reboot may extend your healing period but as someone who at some time hasn't been with a romantic partner for years let me tell you: Not being completely alone is much more important than taking a few more weeks to heal PIED. If I had the chance to be in a loving relationship right now (on day 2) I'd jump on it b/c being alone for so long really sucks!

    Apart from helping with rewiring your brain it would also change your approach to rebooting! You then wouldn't be only doing it for yourself but also for someone you like/love!
    Also you'd not only have responsibility for yourself but also for your s.o. and the relationship. I know it sounds like a burden but actually it's a huge motivator!

    Yeah, def. talk it over with your therapist.

    Also you may want to consider moving to the city. There usually are more than enough LGBT groups there and (obviosly) more gay men for you to meet.

    Also a change of scenery also brings with it a lot of plastic change in your brain. I've moved 3 times in the last 3 years and each time I did a little bit better in fighting my adiction. Obviously it won't work if you just keep watching and fapping but if you try really hard you may get a slightly better improvement than just trying hard in the same old flat.
    Also (at least in Austria) people from the countryside are usually considered very attractive in cities - different behavious and accents are very interesting to people who grew up in the cities ^^

    Take care!
     
  4. Anonymous86

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    Exactly! I would be. I don't know what I am going to do yet or when I am going to do it.

    I agree with your asking for some space, but I am contemplating on a decision where I want to keep the friendship but not damage it completely and keep the focus on me.

    What is this decision? It's temporarily (and for a year mind you) deleting Facebook and deleting Skype (and for a year as well). I know it's a harsh decision but it may be my most desperate move in order to regain my dopamine levels back to normal along with my sex life. It's just that I have conditioned my life to be as miserable as ever outside of the computer and I need a plan of action to get over this.

    This is not easy. This is very difficult. I will be engrossed in loneliness if I do this cold turkey. I need to talk to my therapist about this decision because I need to get away from the life of a voyeur and into the life of a do-er while also make appropriate life changes outside of the computer. I am very addicted to the computer, I do no exercise, I buy and play video games too much, I am insecure about being gay, and am very depressed. I am desperate to change.

    I haven't decided when I am doing this, what the pros and cons of deleting Facebook are, and how to explain it to people that I need to work on myself before making this huge decision.

    I am a 30 year old millennial who is unfortunately an addicted byproduct of this computer generation. I have few real-life friends as well.

    I am in an emotional vulnerable attachment state at the moment so I can't do it now. Only until I see my next psychologist who specializes in addiction.

    We can't do anything together. He is taken. He's in a gay monogamous relationship. I respect that and I refuse to do to anything sexual with or on someone whose taken. He shares the same sentiment.

    We met online before he met his current boyfriend though. He was attracted to me, but I didn't go anymore with it (before I had PIED) because I knew how scared and insecure that I was. He added me on Facebook though and once I started seeing his boyfriend on there, subtle emotions of jealousy came up and anxiety came up. I think a Facebook break will do me good though, I can work on myself and I can put things into better perspective.

    This is a friendship that's strange because he's a genuine guy and he's not a jerk. He complimented me. He's a good all-around guy and he thinks that I'm "worth it" as a friend. I'm unfortunately too obsessed and attached and I need to healthily distance myself. It's not my fault that I became infatuated over the internet (he lives about 30+ miles away and we've met in real life on two occasions. I'm feeling some guilt about it though).

    The hardest thing is working on myself. I already started driving lessons though, so that's a start. I've always been afraid to drive and it's interesting how PIED pushed me to change into tackling my fear.

    This is the hardest thing in my life right now because I don't even know if I have PIED, but I have all the matching symptoms of a flatline. I got these flatline symptoms after orgasming one day. I've been like this for well over a year and can't stop orgasming with a flaccid dick because again addiction. I have no libido, a small penis, an occasional erection by manual stimulation, and a desensitized dick with minimal sexual reception. One of the few times I feel a slight amount of 'hard' in my small dick is if someone verbally through text or spoken words compliments me. Does this count as a PIED condition? I don't know if it technically does.

    I am non-religious, open to spiritual perspectives.

    I am feeling lots of guilt in the realm of "Why did I meet him those two times? That's just getting you more attached!" but I also feel like it's also pushing me out of my comfort zone in a way. It's a double-edged sword because the online is fueling my PIED condition but I went to the city with him for a concert and it was one of those real-life experiences that I will always remember. I had never been to a concert in real-life and it was quite awesome seeing a real mosh go on and listening to the loud music. It was an awesome experience! But I also feel guilt on the contrary.

    Yup. I feel so weird, so lost, and in a self-sabotaged guilt.

    I'm a virgin who has never done anything with a guy because I have anxiety, I am shy, and I am insecure about being gay. I have bipolar depression which is currently medicated.

    I also work a part-time job which I absolutely hate which needs to change. The change of the job is probably going to be part of the healing process.

    Anyway, that's enough about me for now.
     
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  5. DBug

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    I didn't know he was taken - that obviously changes things. As someone who too at some point has had some kind of obsession with someone: really really dial back the contact. Back then I decided against it and it was long and painful and it was a huge burden. Maybe even really break off contact completely for a while but only if you have a strong social circle. As I said talk it all over with your therapist he'll be a better guide than any of us here.

    Now on a more personal note:

    We all swim in self-pity from time to time but dude you really need to get the fuck out of there! It's not helpful in any way! I've been there and I know you think it all over and over hoping that a solution to all your problems will just magically appear if you indulge your feelings long and deep and think hard enough but it won't! You need to get your shit together and tackle your problems one by one. You're on medication, that's good. You're seeing a therapist, even better. Use him/her! Get a routine and stick to it. Start with the little things and work you way up to the big ones. Things as small a cleaning your room - you'll be surprised what an impact it'll have on you! next up is the kitchen then you fix the bathroom sink and then you see where you go from there! And when you accomplish something - no matter how small - give yourself credit for it! And if you were able to do that then that other thing suddenly looks achievable too! And still you'll stumble and fall back into that hole but you'll regain your composure a bit faster and you'll get the fuck up again!

    You're shy? Everyday for the next week you'll ask a stranger for the time! Maybe old people at the beginning. Sunday you rest. And next week it'll be 2 Strangers each day! The week afterwards maybe a bit younger ones. and after a few months you'll be asking 5 strangers your age for the time every day and you'll start to get a grasp of how to do smalltalk! Charisma and self confidence is learned - You probably won't become Steve Jobs but you can significantly improve yourself!

    I won't pretend to know how you feel but I've been in some pretty dark snake pits myself and self pity and talking about your feelings get you nowhere. Indulge one more time, cry, punch a pillow or a wall, let it all out and tomorrow you get your shit together and take on your life!

    I really don't mean to sound harsh but the usual "I feel you" won't help you! It just won't! You need to tae action! Of course you can't change everything overnight which is why you start small and work your way up!

    Good luck and keep fighting!
     
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  6. Anonymous86

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    This is what I wanted and needed to hear. Thanks. I unfortunately, don't have a strong social circle right now. Most of my friends are moving. And that's where the conflict comes in - I'm gay, feeling 'small' (emotionally), introverted, can't move right now (like to a new area), but I need to change this. This needs to change. I feel like I'm stuck and alone can't move but that's not true.

    This is why I need to break away from Facebook and Skype, so we stop talking. Just for a while so I can get myself back together again spiritually, mentally, and hopefully sexually.

    I've been contemplating the gym for a long time now. It's time I do that I think. You're not being harsh. Sometimes the truth hurts.

    Do you have any recommendations on inspirational movies on addiction and pain yet, where there was redemption? As strange as that sounds, I could use some perspective and inspiration. It could up my creativity.
     
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  7. Anonymous86

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    I decided to tell this man the next time he messages me that my webcam doesn't work. I also stopped going on Skype.

    This is emotionally one of the hardest things for me to do. Facebook he still is on and I'm vulnerable to his messages on there. This is where I'm struggling...how do I handle Facebook with him so he doesn't think I don't care about him yet I (honestly) do.
     
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  8. GG2002

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    This is a very hard situation for you and I'm sorry to hear this but have you tried just being honest with him? If he does not like your honesty then he's not a keeper. Im a heterosexual female but I've been in very similar places where I had strong feelings for a man who was taken or just did not feel the same way about me. At the time it felt to me like I would never feel the same about anyone else and I had to have him. My happiness was dependent in large part on how he reacted to me. A few times I did succeed in getting that man and guess what? He was horrible! I had created a fantasy life about someone I did not know and in a relationship he was nothing like I had dreamed of. A man who will message you while he's in a relationship will do the same to you if you date him. You are not unique. Many women do this think the cheater will never cheat on her she's unique! My other advice is get out and meet other like minded people. Join a meet up group for gay men. Or just go out to gay bars. I think once you see how many other people are out there you will realize you deserve much better. And since it appears you have limited relationship experience you may not know how you do deserve to be treated. I think you will eventually block him on FB but you need to come to that. What is he adding to your life? And I'm not sure it's his fault that he's turning you on. You need to take steps for yourself to stop it. Don't spend weeks obsessing about someone who barely spends minutes thinking about you.
     
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  9. Recoveryattempt

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    Hey scorpion1386 I saw this post here and then remembered you from rebootnation. I understand that you're really scared. I am as wel, were pretty much In the same boat but I'm straight and I can get erections. No worries man. If you ever need to talk to me. Or really anyone. We're all here for you
     

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