How I Recovered from Vore Fetish Addiction [English] [German] [Pictures]

V_Recoverer [Model_Maker]

V_Recoverer [Model_Maker]

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Important Abstract_​

Hello. If you haven't already known, I'm new here. I don't know how often it is that newbies give out advice, but I hope to not let my status deter you from a few insights that've gleamed from my journey of recovery. Initially, I would like to bring up this notion: This is an auto-ethnographic script, an anecdotal writing - with one measly but important citation - made for me. This was my attempt at understanding my own circumstances regarding porn addiction. Given the burden of this post, I thought it to be the most beneficial thing I could do on my end to share with you my three journals, especially for those who are dealing with fetishes. They were written months apart, my addiction spanned 15 years. As a young Asperger's, I was driven towards this funny thing (don't look it up) called vorarephilia (well you probably did anyway after reading the title lol), ever since I was 5 to be exact, a thing no one in my familial and commonplace internet circles would understand.

I don't want this society to reflect poorly on the youth and those who continue to live in it, though it might as well already have, so I made this post on one of the biggest support groups on the internet when it comes to self-development. Lastly, I don't want to confuse anyone, so I'll make this clear: Come To Your Own Conclusions; The post is self-referential, at one point using a rhetorical strategy through circular reasoning to mirror a cycle many of us experience: the belief in PMO’s pleasure leads to its pursuit, but the outcome and subtle reliance on negative states (e.g. lethargy, guilt, fear, masturbation, etc...) contradicts the belief, prompting a need to reevaluate. If you have any reservations some how, at least substantiate this post's purpose of guided self-help, or you may deliver a personal message to me. Thank you to everyone who reads this. This has been long overdue, and I'm sorry for those who've been damaged already by this extraordinary phenomenon of aesthetics.

Key = P - Porn; M - Masturbation; O - Orgasm

Part 1:​

So First the Argument from Utility (For Those Who Need to Get With the Program Already):​

“People tend to think that their way of doing things is the best way, without considering other ways of doing things. Why is that? Well, to start off, there must be some sort of recurring self-fulfilling prophecy that reinforces what a person does as the correct way. The error is that this person’s self-fulfilling prophecy is exclusive of whether or not there are other ways of doing things; the only important thing is that your subconscious believes “(a) can't be wrong because whenever (x) occurs, (y) always happens" (e.g. Whenever I do this thing, that thing always happens, whenever I do (x) (More than 100 Lies We Tell Ourselves) always feels right, etc...). One glaring issue of relying on a self-fulfilling prophecy is that it doesn't consider the drawbacks of the means by which something is achieved, a common mean involving mental taxation. Mental taxation, if anything, is often unnecessary, which is exactly the issue; you’re diminishing your human experience for the sake of your method, when you could be counteracting this diminishing aspect with thorough evaluation and a follow through on said evaluation. A common cure for dealing with these self-diminishing, self-fulfilling prophecies is the suspension of belief/subjective consideration."

This first step is often the reason why many people are still stagnant or without resolve, either because of two things:
  1. They are unaware of another possible method for accomplishing the exact same thing
  2. Reconsideration/suspension of belief is seen as some sort of condescending rite of passage, because the authority they appeal to is either someone else or worse, themselves, wherein they do not adhere to “intellectual play” or generally entertaining opposing viewpoints; it’s too bothersome to reconsider for some.
A solution to this ignorance and a rebuttal to the above fallacy is the argument from utility, it goes like this:

"Perception of reality is subjective, but what is truly objective is utility, the usefulness of things. Therefore, whatever has utility or is more useful is actually real. No matter how much you suspend your belief, what matters is the level of utility that suspension presupposes (with the suspension of disbelief), such as the belief of becoming a non-user; 'imagine what your life could be like if you weren't a user in the first place...' If the suspension of that belief through entertaining disbelief is in fact useful in itself, it can become your new reality.”

In Essence: Whatever is true to you is what has circumstance, because it tends to be more real than anything else, within emotion and psychology," which hints at the tendency for us to rely on subjective experiences. Let's try and confront that.


Part 2:​

Suspension of Belief/Subjective Consideration:​

Let's focus on the route of subjectification. For addicts, the ritual of PMO isn't entirely pleasurable if they feel bad after the experience; when they do, this "pleasure" lays under the scrutiny of subjectivity for not objectively encompassing the point of PMO, wherein pleasure is diminished during and directly after PMO, a paradox too confounding for society's often superficial understanding of its aesthetics. But, if this pleasure has the capacity to be subjective of the experience, are you then experiencing truly authentic pleasure? In other words, if there is still room for subjectivity in terms of enjoyment, that would imply that this experience is not objectively pleasurable, isn't that so? If it isn't objectively pleasurable, unlike most things in life, you'd have no other choice but to suspend your belief, while relying on the result of PMO's end-goal as a basis for whether or not there is any pleasure at all. Considering the before, the now, and the hereafter of recreational activities and other endeavors is the inherent experience ( for what else would it be if you weren't there after? ). In the case of PMO, it sustains a really lackluster and meaningless end-goal you'll find out in the end. Just keep reading.

Considering the end-goal, is PMO actually pleasurable? If it is, you'd feel joy during and after every session, similar to how recreational activities work (after the session, you actually do not feel that so-called "joy"). If something that's perceived as joyful detracts from said joy, then are you really experiencing joy? Couldn't it be a form of stress-*-*-*, for instance?

It also helps to know that we are talking about emotions, not preferences. People have preferences towards what they enjoy, which is fine. Enjoying PMO is a preference for some (I have no clue how people can function with it but they do I guess), but this preference of yours is not inherently enjoyable because the entire point is removed. Your enjoyment is detracted from what you're supposed to "enjoy"? (I'm assuming that you don't feel joy after the session, do you?). Therefore, PMO being an acceptable preference is miscellaneous, and what we should really be focusing on is the subjectivity of emotion, not the subjectivity of interest. Porn as an expression of the human condition seems to be interesting, but you indulging in it by PMO isn't inherently enjoyable if enjoyment is detracted after a session (and arguable during it, too!). That being said, you would eventually lead yourself to the conclusion of PMO not being interesting, since it isn't inherently enjoyable; the point of PMO becomes contradictory, in that the interest is derived from the so-called "pleasure". (Remember, is it actually all just pleasure?)

My approach involved recognizing that I derived so-called pleasure from PMO being inherently interesting, when it clearly doesn't satiate a peak (it already has satiated just a peak, and therefore it can't be interesting anymore. It's the same, singular outcome over and over again, regardless of aesthetic or circumstance). I then realized that interest derived from the so-called gaining of "pleasure" could not exist due to the recognition that PMO's so-called gaining of "pleasure" for me was actually a form of stress, stress in the guise of a feeling similar to pleasure (it's not pleasure). Before in the previous paragraph, notice how I literally did not say PMO is interesting. In your circumstance, PMO is a flawed method for engaging with porn, even browsing without any reinforcement concerning the content (e.g. blockers, perspective in reference to type of reinforced-derivation in Topic 1.3, etc...) is widely accepted as a risk. Then, there's the group of people who actually like creating porn as an art form, but think about this: It's not the "P" of "PMO" to them, it's more so of a category of occupational creativity, hence their tolerance and desensitization, hypothetically. None of us have any time for that I bet, so blockers and perception shifts it is lol.
I take no stance in this post other than guiding people away from PMO, remember that.

Part 3:​

Sampling the Moment of Revelation​

This is where it gets mind blowing: What I learned throughout my experiences in recovery is to first acknowledge the fact that you will feel more joy before PMO (as non-users do), but not after PMO (as a user). Because you don't feel joy after PMO, you are actively detracting from pleasure <- (revelation?). Porn-users (addicts) seek PMO in the hopes of not feeling the stress, when it's simply the little monster who actively engages in the same mechanisms (PMO <- ↔ -> the urge), called Stress-Guised-As-Pleasure! PMO-users (addicts) haven't acknowledged that PMO is the physical depletion of pleasure as it is psychologically depleting, and therefore entirely stress, and because they're unaware that they're physiologically forcing themselves to actively deplete pleasure <- (revelation?) they only double down on the belief that they gain "pleasure," when pleasure is actually sought outside of PMO all together, where it's not in-authentically stressed, but authentically experienced through any other activity but PMO. As technological innovation would follow, we've created an extraordinary vice. In other words, your brain may not have acknowledged the circular logic it relies upon to get what it can never achieve without thorough reevaluation, hence the circular nature of PMO addiction ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶' .

The little monster (lower ideal) dies as you die, so when you catch the little monster dying, ( you've already experienced PMO... )

^ This bubble right here, might just be the silver-lining that your moment of revelation would follow if you were to continue on your journey, convincingly so. Arguably, two people come to this conclusion:

  • Those who've spent years addicted and are now of old age
  • Those who follow the utility of their insights through enough obsession. <- You're smarter than you think you are; it's never too late!
There are many online books that take the form of this obsession, we just have to stick to it to ask people more about these types of helpful resources (pdfs, online books, etc...) heck you might already be half-way there, but all you need is an individual's substantial experience (either from yourself or someone else!). Journaling for an audience, you guys specifically, helped a lot. But, I think this is the secret code, a giant facade! Non-users either haven't endured the stress-gauntlet of PMO or they've acknowledged it! Are you willing to acknowledge that you're already a happy non-user?



Topic 1.2: PMO Aesthetics​

Quite often, it really does take a mindset shift when it comes to getting ahead of the addiction. Either your habits shape you or your mindsets do (I used heuristics, which thankfully lead to better habits). I used to struggle with this so fricking much, and I relate to it with you. Though, I wrote a few things down this evening when it came to reflecting on my journey in the past, a thorough analysis involving 2 of PMO's deceptive aesthetics:

These theories delve into a few topics that the book touches upon a bit . They're refined contextualizations of what has been said in the book, but the second was sort of a shower thought that I had during the morning, and it stuck with me. All in all, please know that it is possible, just as it was for me!

Think of it as "Un-brainwashing", which targets subconscious perspectives you might not have realized you held:

1. Abysmal Redline Theory:​

Every time you splurge it, the “redline” or “standard” is raised, where there is a tendency to seek "better" material after desensitization, we all know that (right, you know that? Sorry if you don't. Actually, I am sorry if you don't, and I express my condolences.). In the end, PMO only has one outcome, and that is the high, so you might as well have stopped after the very first session. Because the red line always ascends, with no other outcome to incentivize the ascension, you never will satiate “just a peak” because you already have, which is a good thing. In essence, you might think it's a different thing every time when it clearly will be a same-case-scenario, aesthetically and in circumstance. Your extreme feelings do not matter in the slightest, just a premonition of what you've done and escalated from before, which you surprisingly don't go back to for some reason? (This goes not only for pictures, but new audio too). With PMO, the only experiences that matter will become neglected, past experiences, so all you have to do is quit now. Please, don't suffer as much as I have just to realize this many months later. (Even before the thought of ever wanting to arrives, the ride is already Joever, and acknowledge that. Not in that you failed to quit before you started, but you have literally, already failed the desired high before ever committing to it and even after doing so. It's just stress at this point lol).

2. Means-Ends Theory:​

Why would you do PMO if you’re defeating the purpose of PMO? When you achieve a goal, the energy for achieving that goal is being expended, especially if your goal is to achieve an emotion. After PMO, you feel bad even though you want satisfaction. Aren’t you then expending the energy for feeling satisfied in an attempt to feel satisfied? Doesn't make sense, does it? In other words, you’re actively forcing your body to feel an emotion, stressing physiological mechanisms, artificially, all alone. To delineate, achieving goals where emotion isn’t the target naturally results in you feeling worthwhile emotions, particularly positive ones. Even with boredom, your objective would narrow down from not wanting to be bored to something actionable. When addicted, compulsion leads to the goal perpetually being to achieve an emotional state, which is the same, sad logic that applies to brain rot, doom scrolling, etc... , and every sad stroke.

Since all PMO/compulsive-MO does is idolize an emotional state, relying on the physiological stress of masturbation is counter-intuitive, bleeding into the experiencing of pleasure by emphasizing the physiological state of stress at the expense of the emotional state of pleasure before and during orgasm, which ends off with stress overall (The pleasure blends in alongside the stress, but over-emphasis on stress through masturbation makes the experience entirely stressful). Sub-goals and goals are integral for human functioning, wherein the stress of exercise naturally leads to elation through endorphins, the stress of working hard naturally leads to exhaustive relief, etc... It's compartmentalized, unperturbed relief, and therefore gain. You and the urge expend pleasure as a means to an end, without any pleasurable relief in the end. There are no real goals and subgoals in PMO, and therefore no gain.

Forcing pleasure, in this sense, would inevitably lead to an orgasm that siphons pleasure through force, as opposed to its intimate distribution in the tantric nature of sex through a partner. This leads to the lethargic feeling and is synonymous to the adage "You can't chase happiness," or my personal favorite, "You Force Pleasure, You Deplete Pleasure". That's why it's so infuriating when people (addicts) say that porn does in fact give them pleasure. They are simultaneously unaware that the perpetual forcing of yourself is stress in the guise of pleasure, pleasure-siphoning stress, similar to the urge's function.

You need to start resonating with pleasure as a reservoir when partaking in experiences, not just an artificial way for escape. You engage in deceit when you think that way.​

If you truly value gaining pleasure so much, why would you go out of your own way to lose it physiologically, again and again?​


You need to let it deplete naturally, not as a means to an end. Every ounce counts. So yes, it's okay when you're down on your journey. And it's okay to feel down in general, even if you are in fact clinically depressed, with all due respect. Basically every time you jork it, happiness is literally slipping out of your grasp, like literally, by muddling the experiencing of pleasure with the stress that's involved in experiencing it. Orgasming alone is THE PEAK illustration of this.

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"Orgasming alone is worse than bowling alone."​

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That's why it's so infuriating when people (addicts) say that porn does in fact give them pleasure. They are simultaneously unaware that the perpetual forcing of yourself is stress in the guise of pleasure, pleasure-siphoning stress, similar to the urge's function. Also, why else would people often fall back again after feeling worse off, if the brain associates feelings of post-session guilt with needing one more session? WOOPS, your brain associates the guilt with other feelings now: “Even emotions we perceive as negative, such as fear, anxiety, guilt, and disgust, trigger dopamine release. Normally, this dopamine motivates us to escape or resolve distressing situations, but in the context of corn, the brain misinterprets this as arousal,” (Kind_Grapefruit_851, 2024). make of that what you will. So even in that, it doesn't satiate "just a peak". In all honesty, why spend your time forcefully depleting yourself of the capacity to feel when you could spend your time not doing that, and I know that sounds like too much of an actual paradox, but I'd argue that you felt the same way before coming onto this post. From that logic, you might be able to construct the point that it's more sensible to feel the urge than it is to masturbate and get rid of your entire emotional bank. Why throw the baby out with the bath water? It's so cute! It’s human. It's, familiar. It's... okay.

3. I have nothing to add here, I just like patterns of 3. I mean, wait, hold on.​

"When you have a David and a Goliath, you must understand the formation of the skull; the pain is relatively the same."

There : ).

Anyways, I am a happy non-user, and I hope you will be, too! And remember, you aren't your thoughts, they're the little monster's. Hopefully, I just took care of the Big Monster for you, the brainwashing. Fear is the only pang, but why fear when you know there is nothing clogging your brain to reinforce the fear? It’s just the little monster starting to starve and die. I hope everyone finds the best way to live through it, to integrate these mindsets into living our lives.




Topic 1.3: PMO and Your Life​

It's okay, I've thought a lot about this one.

I think the way I view compulsive viewership is in reference to the abysmal redline theory, stating that "Every time you do the deed/seek the emotional high, the 'redline' or 'standard' is raised, where there is a tendency to seek [more supernormal] material after desensitization." This leads to the position that if the goal isn't a contemplation of the aesthetic or circumstance, but the high, you're conditioning yourself to never be satisfied due to a seemingly infinite amount of the aesthetics and circumstances masquerading over the exact same high you'd get from your most earliest peaks (and if anything your earliest sessions). If you seek its contemplation but the goal immediately becomes to satisfy a high (or the goal is to satisfy a high regardless), then you might hold this position.

I think with regular art, the means for contemplation happen to be too instantaneous for us to acknowledge the presence of the process, but we may be able to enjoy art due to contemplation being the overarching goal, which leads to non-compulsive satisfaction. If contemplation is a form of delayed gratification, it would follow that a possible solution concerning compulsive viewership is methodized-reinforced integration.

Please mind the jargon a bit.

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Integration​

  • Through our efforts, we should find ways of reinforcing various objects by using various methods that encourage delayed gratification. This can stem from reinforcing porn as something bad through the delayed gratification of abstinence or, controversially for most, reinforcing "P" as an art form through the delayed gratification of learning how to draw it (e.g. anatomy, sketching, etc... ).
    • Eventually, the chosen reinforcement will serve as a rejuvenating point for multiple outcomes, as art and other recreational avenues (e.g. exercise, communion, autodidactic/academic living, gaming in moderation perhaps though personally I don't do that if it isn't that translatable) are, removing the importance of the method that stresses a point while deterring room for experiencing multiple outcomes in life, especially the luxury of contemplation.

The Counterpart​

  • This technique also addresses the intrusiveness of sexual thoughts. We have certain emotional inclinations when it comes to personal autonomy, but PMO/compulsive-MO reinforces an emotional inclination distinct from any of the necessary ones, coming in the form of stress guised as pleasure. But, if emotional inclinations associated with fantasy are dependent on our interpretation of it (in other words, if inclinations are fluid), it follows that reinforced derivation influences our perception of fantasy, specifically by understanding the ideals that it conveys and how it connects to our humanity.
    • Reinforcing intrusive fantasies involves acknowledging them during our daily pursuits as paying homage to who we each are as individuals, the best parts of our humanity. So, whenever an intrusive thought comes along, transcend it by analyzing how it either relates to broader ideas (e.g. tantric sex, self-efficacy, intimacy, maternal affection, communion, unity and oneness, sacrificial love, security in peril, servitude, paternity, "Holy temples of God/Chambers of God", etc...) or our better ambitions; integrate their themes into endeavor and mindfulness.For fetishes, this is just enough to render sully reaction into abstinent mindfulness.
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TL;DR lol

Withholding gratification leads to a type of contemplation that leaves room for much more memorable, and satiable experiences. Essentially, reinforce the addictive substance's futility, by either integrating your experiences apart from or involving porn (e.g. thought life), with methods of delayed gratification and general mindfulness.

(comment: I've been trying to put this in my own words the day after I configured the moment of revelation, which was in December 2024, so it's not like I'm coming up with this off-the-cuff. Genius is the meditation of knowledge. okay now the next part. Yep, we're changing into another topic. You don't see posts like this everyday; this is long-form, and beneficial for cognition anyway)

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REMINDER:​

Forcing something that's already being depleted, is silly. In reality, the energy of/for accomplishing something is compensated by doing something else that develops the goal, accomplishing the sub-goal; it takes two to tango! Three? Five... sure that too. So, physiologically forcing an emotion in the hopes of feeling an emotion is plain stupid because you're compensating with something that's already being depleted, when in reality you could feel elation in committing to goals and sub-goals. PMO isn’t a goal and sub-goal, no matter how you put it, it’s just chasing false happiness.

Though it took me over 15 years to realize this, and an online book within only 7 months after escaping, I want you to know that, at least, you're not silly enough to not realize this anymore. It will take time to get used to the mindsets I learned, and your own.

  • “PMO can’t chase happiness if it depletes it.
  • PMO only chases happiness, forcing you to deplete it.
  • It already happened, as it never will satiate just a peek.
  • It forces you to physiologically deplete satisfaction, never satiating just a peek.
  • Forcing Pleasure Depletes Pleasure.
  • It doesn't satiate just a peak, because it already has (stress, r e d u n d a n c e, and depletion. You're a grateful non-user for this reason).
  • It's the little monster dying; I'm a happier non-user.
  • (For Morning Wood) A flag pole that need not be tempered, flying in the wind its symbol for pleasure.”

"The little monster is putting itself through stress, and therefore dying, as you were putting yourself through the stress and therefore dying. It's experiencing the same thing you're experiencing. Don't force pleasure, don't watch those videos, don't feel like you need to look back at those images, either, because it's the same feeling."

"Now, when we have sex with people, we don't expend pleasure for the sake of pleasure anymore. In a way, the energy for experiencing pleasure is physiologically integrated into intimacy and bonding within an opposite sex/same sex relationship, creating a much more broader avenue for outcomes (this is because the end goal is the person, and not the vice of pleasure. A person is capable of much more than a PMO vice or prop, and therefore the outcome is greater and much more divergent!)"
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PMO's only outcome is orgasm, on the other hand. In fact, one might argue there are two outcomes: Stress & a Depletion of Yourself.

"Physiologically force yourself, deplete yourself. Force pleasure, and you won't make room for it." ~ Anonymous

  • If You Happen to Fail With These Introspections... Perhaps what you should remember next time is that since stress-guised-as-pleasure/the urge translates itself through PMO or compulsive-MO, you end up embodying its debilitation after PMO. There's always a chance to refrain through objective thinking; when you attain the high through the stress of compulsive-MO/PMO, you begin to put on the little monster's shoes, which is unpleasant of course. You might think that you're debilitated already when the little monster continues to die for a very long time before physically relapsing (a.k.a. the urge is still going on), but remember: Relapse always initiates in thought; keep it that way. You're a happy non-user. You are not your urges. I REPEAT: You Are Not Your Urges, they're the little monsters.

    A few more Affirmations alongside this:​

  • "You don't have to debilitate yourself with the little monster's burden (through PMO)"
  • "You've jumped back from on-going relapse before, you can get through it now!"
  • "It's already feeling how you feel during and after PMO, for you."

Reference & Mindfulness Diagram in Attached File Section:

SGP Mindfulness Model (Basic Version 1) -​

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SGP Mindfulness Model (Adept Version 2) -​

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Updated SGP Mindfulness Model (Adept Version 3) -​

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Wichtiger Abstract_​

Hallo! Falls ihr es noch nicht wusstet: Ich bin neu hier. Ich weiß nicht, wie oft Neulinge Ratschläge geben, aber ich hoffe, mein Status hält euch nicht davon ab, einige Erkenntnisse zu berücksichtigen, die ich auf meinem Weg der Genesung gesammelt habe. Zunächst möchte ich diesen Gedanken aufgreifen: Dies ist ein autoethnografisches Skript, eine anekdotische Schrift – mit einer bescheidenen, aber wichtigen Zitation –, die für mich verfasst wurde. Es war mein Versuch, meine eigenen Umstände in Bezug auf Pornografiesucht zu verstehen. Angesichts der Tragweite dieses Beitrags dachte ich, das Beste, was ich tun kann, sei, euch meine drei Tagebücher zu teilen, besonders für diejenigen, die mit Fetischen zu kämpfen haben. Sie wurden im Abstand von Monaten geschrieben; meine Sucht erstreckte sich über 15 Jahre. Als junger Asperger-Autist wurde ich genau genommen seit meinem 5. Lebensjahr von dieser merkwürdigen Sache (googelt es nicht) namens Vorarephilie angezogen (na, ihr habt es wahrscheinlich trotzdem nachgelesen, nachdem ihr den Titel gesehen habt, lol), etwas, das niemand in meinem familiären oder üblichen Internetumfeld verstehen würde.

Ich möchte nicht, dass diese Gesellschaft ein schlechtes Licht auf die Jugend und diejenigen wirft, die weiterhin in ihr leben, auch wenn sie es vielleicht bereits getan hat. Deshalb habe ich diesen Beitrag in einer der größten Selbsthilfegruppen im Internet zum Thema Persönlichkeitsentwicklung verfasst. Um niemanden zu verwirren, werde ich klarstellen: Zieht eure eigenen Schlüsse. Der Beitrag ist selbstreferenziell und verwendet an einer Stelle eine rhetorische Strategie durch Zirkelschluss, um den Kreislauf widerzuspiegeln, den viele von uns erleben: Der Glaube an die Vergnügen durch PMO führt zu ihrer Verfolgung, doch das Ergebnis und die subtile Abhängigkeit von negativen Zuständen (z. B. Lethargie, Schuld, Angst, Masturbation usw.) widersprechen diesem Glauben und erfordern eine Neubewertung. Falls ihr Bedenken habt, unterstützt zumindest den Zweck dieses Beitrags als angeleitete Selbsthilfe oder schickt mir eine persönliche Nachricht. Danke an alle, die dies lesen. Das war längst überfällig, und es tut mir leid für diejenigen, die bereits durch dieses außergewöhnliche Phänomen der Ästhetik Schaden erlitten haben.

Schlüssel = P – Pornografie; M – Masturbation; O – Orgasmus

Teil 1: Das Argument der Nützlichkeit (für diejenigen, die endlich aufholen müssen)​

„Menschen neigen dazu, ihre eigene Herangehensweise für die beste zu halten, ohne Alternativen zu berücksichtigen. Warum? Nun, zunächst einmal muss es eine wiederkehrende selbsterfüllende Prophezeiung geben, die ihr Handeln als korrekt bestätigt. Der Fehler liegt darin, dass diese Prophezeiung ausschließt, ob es andere Wege gibt – das Einzige, was zählt, ist, dass das Unterbewusstsein glaubt: ‚(a) kann nicht falsch sein, denn wenn (x) passiert, folgt immer (y)‘ (z. B. ‚Wenn ich dies tue, geschieht immer jenes‘). Ein offensichtliches Problem dieser selbsterfüllenden Prophezeiung ist, dass sie den Wert der Mittel ignoriert, mit denen etwas erreicht wird, insbesondere wenn diese Mittel mentale Belastung bedeuten. Mentale Belastung ist oft unnötig, genau darin liegt das Problem: Man schmälert seine menschliche Erfahrung für eine Methode, obwohl man dies durch gründliche Evaluation und Umsetzung der Erkenntnisse verhindern könnte. Ein gängiges Heilmittel gegen diese selbstschädigenden Prophezeiungen ist die Suspendierung von Glaubenssätzen/subjektiver Betrachtung.“

Dieser erste Schritt ist oft der Grund, warum viele stagnieren oder keine Lösung finden, aus zwei Gründen:

  1. Sie wissen nicht, dass es alternative Methoden für dieselbe Sache gibt.
  2. Neubewertung/Glaubenssuspendierung wird als herablassendes Ritual angesehen, weil sie sich an Autoritäten (oder schlimmer: sich selbst) orientieren, die keine „intellektuellen Spielereien“ oder gegensätzliche Standpunkte zulassen – es ist ihnen zu mühsam.
Die Lösung für diese Ignoranz und die Widerlegung des obigen Fehlschlusses ist das Argument der Nützlichkeit:
„Wahrnehmung ist subjektiv, doch was objektiv ist, ist die Nützlichkeit. Was nützlich ist, wird real. Egal, wie sehr man seinen Glauben suspendiert – entscheidend ist der Nutzen, den diese Suspendierung voraussetzt, wie der Glaube, ein Nicht-Nutzer zu werden: ‚Stell dir vor, wie dein Leben wäre, wenn du nie Nutzer gewesen wärst…‘ Wenn diese Suspendierung selbst nützlich ist, wird sie deine neue, objektive Realität.“

Im Kern: Was für dich wahr ist, hat Bestand, weil es in Emotionen und Psychologie realer wirkt als alles andere – ein Hinweis auf unsere Neigung, uns auf subjektive Erfahrungen zu verlassen. Lasst uns das konfrontieren.


Teil 2: Suspendierung von Glaubenssätzen/Subjektive Betrachtung - Vergnügen..​

Konzentrieren wir uns auf die Subjektivierung. Für Süchtige ist das PMO-Ritual nicht vollständig vergnüglich, wenn sie sich danach schlecht fühlen. In diesem Fall unterliegt das „Vergnügen“ subjektiver Skepsis, da es den Zweck von PMO nicht objektiv erfasst – das Vergnügen schwindet während und nach PMO, ein Paradoxon, das die oberflächliche gesellschaftliche Wahrnehmung seiner Ästhetik nicht begreift. Doch wenn dieses Vergnügen subjektiv ist: Erlebt man dann echtes Vergnügen? Wenn Raum für Subjektivität bleibt, impliziert das, dass die Erfahrung nicht objektiv vergnüglich ist, oder? Wenn sie es nicht ist (im Gegensatz zu den meisten Dingen im Leben), bleibt nur die Suspendierung des Glaubens, während man das Ergebnis nach PMO als Basis dafür nutzt, ob überhaupt Vergnügen vorhanden war. Die Betrachtung von Vorher, Jetzt und Nachher bei Freizeitaktivitäten ist inhärent die Erfahrung selbst (denn was bleibt, wenn man nicht mehr da ist?). Bei PMO ist das Endergebnis letztlich enttäuschend und sinnlos. Lest weiter.

Ist PMO wirklich vergnüglich? Wenn ja, sollte man während und nach jeder Session Freude empfinden, ähnlich wie bei anderen Aktivitäten (nach PMO fehlt diese „Freude“ jedoch). Wenn etwas vermeintlich Vergnügliches die Freude mindert: Erlebt man dann wirklich Freude? Könnte es nicht eine Form von Stress sein?

Es hilft, zwischen Emotionen und Präferenzen zu unterscheiden. Menschen haben Präferenzen – das ist okay. PMO zu genießen, ist für manche eine Präferenz (kaum nachvollziehbar, aber gut), doch diese Präferenz ist nicht inhärent vergnüglich, weil der eigentliche Zweck entfällt. Eure „Freude“ widerspricht dem, was ihr eigentlich „genießen“ solltet? (Ich nehme an, ihr fühlt danach keine Freude, oder?) Daher ist PMO als Präferenz irrelevant, und wir sollten uns auf die Subjektivität von Emotionen konzentrieren, nicht auf Interessen. Pornografie als Ausdruck des Menschseins mag interessant sein, doch der Konsum via PMO ist nicht vergnüglich, wenn die Freude danach schwindet (und wohl auch währenddessen!). Letztlich kommt man zur Erkenntnis, dass PMO nicht interessant ist, da es kein echtes Vergnügen bietet – das „Interesse“ leitet sich nur aus dem angeblichen „Vergnügen“ ab. (Erinnert euch: Ist es wirklich nur Vergnügen?)

Mein Ansatz war, anzuerkennen, dass mein angebliches Vergnügen aus PMO als „interessant“ entsprang, obwohl es keinen Höhepunkt befriedigte (es hat bereits einen Höhepunkt erreicht und kann daher nicht mehr interessant sein – immer dasselbe Ergebnis, egal welche Ästhetik). Ich erkannte, dass das „Interesse“ aus dem vermeintlichen „Vergnügen“ nicht existieren konnte, da PMO für mich nur Stress in Vergnügenverkleidung war. Früher sagte ich nie, PMO sei interessant. Für euch ist PMO eine fehlerhafte Methode, mit Pornografie umzugehen – selbst das bloße Stöbern ohne Blockaden wird als Risiko akzeptiert. Manche mögen Pornografie als Kunstform schätzen, doch für sie ist es nicht das „P“ in „PMO“, sondern eine Form kreativer Arbeit – daher ihre hypothetische Toleranz. Wir haben dafür keine Zeit, also lieber Blockaden und Perspektivwechsel, lol.


Ich nehme hier keine Haltung ein, außer euch von PMO wegzuführen.


Teil 3: Der Moment der Erkenntnis​

Hier wird es verblüffend: In meiner Genesung lernte ich, anzuerkennen, dass man vor PMO (als Nicht-Nutzer) mehr Freude empfindet, nach PMO (als Nutzer) jedoch nicht. Weil ihr nach PMO keine Freude spürt, entzieht ihr euch aktiv dem Vergnügen ← (Erkenntnis?). Süchtige suchen PMO, um Stress zu vermeiden, doch genau der „kleine Monster“-Anteil in euch, der PMO betreibt, funktioniert über denselben Mechanismus (Stress als Vergnügen getarnt ↔ Drang)! Süchtige erkennen nicht, dass PMO Vergnügen entzieht und reinen Stress darstellt. Da sie nicht wissen, dass sie sich physiologisch zwingen, Vergnügen zu entleeren ← (Erkenntnis?), glauben sie weiterhin, „Vergnügen“ zu gewinnen, obwohl echtes Vergnügen außerhalb von PMO liegt – in jeder anderen Aktivität, die nicht von unechtem Stress begleitet ist. Wie die Technologie zeigt, haben wir ein außergewöhnliches Laster geschaffen. Euer Gehirn hat die Zirkellogik nicht durchschaut, die es braucht, um etwas zu erreichen, das ohne Neubewertung unmöglich ist – daher der Teufelskreis der PMO-Sucht ˶ᵔ ᵕ ᵔ˶.


„Der kleine Monster (niedere Trieb) stirbt, wenn ihr sterbt. Wenn ihr seinen Tod bemerkt, ( habt ihr bereits PMO erlebt… )“

^ Diese Blase hier könnte der Silberstreif sein, der euren Erkenntnismoment einleitet, wenn ihr weiterkämpft. Zwei Gruppen kommen zu dieser Einsicht:
  1. Langzeitsüchtige, die alt geworden sind.
  2. Diejenigen, die durch obsessive Einsicht den Nutzen erkennen ← Ihr seid klüger, als ihr denkt! Es ist nie zu spät!

Viele Online-Ressourcen (PDFs, Websites, Bücher) folgen dieser Obsession – wir müssen nur dranbleiben und nachfragen. Vielleicht seid ihr schon auf halbem Weg! Tagebuchschreiben für euch, genau hier, hat geholfen. Doch das Geheimnis ist: Nicht-Nutzer haben entweder den PMO-Stress nicht erlitten oder ihn durchschaut! Seid ihr bereit, anzuerkennen, dass ihr bereits glückliche Nicht-Nutzer seid?

Thema 1.2: PMO-Ästhetik:​


Oft braucht es wirklich einen Wechsel der Denkweise, wenn es darum geht, der Sucht einen Schritt voraus zu sein. Entweder formen deine Gewohnheiten dich, oder deine Denkweisen tun es (ich habe eine heuristische Abkürzung genommen, und glücklicherweise hat das zu besseren Gewohnheiten geführt). Ich habe früher so verdammt viel damit gekämpft, und ich kann das mit euch nachvollziehen. Heute Abend habe ich jedoch ein paar Dinge aufgeschrieben, als ich über meine vergangene Reise nachgedacht habe, eine gründliche Analyse, die zwei trügerische Ästhetiken von PMO umfasst:


Diese Theorien vertiefen einige Themen, die das Buch ein wenig anspricht. Sie sind verfeinerte Kontextualisierungen dessen, was im Buch gesagt wurde, aber die zweite war so etwas wie ein Duschgedanke, den ich morgens hatte, und er ist bei mir hängen geblieben. Alles in allem, bitte wisset, dass es möglich ist, genauso wie es für mich möglich war!


Stellt es euch als „Ent-Gehirnwäsche“ vor, die auf unterbewusste Perspektiven abzielt, die ihr vielleicht gar nicht bemerkt habt, dass ihr sie hattet:


  1. Abyssale Rotlinien-Theorie:
    Jedes Mal, wenn ihr es übertreibt, wird die „Rotlinie“ oder der „Standard“ erhöht, wobei eine Tendenz besteht, nach „besserem“ Material zu suchen, nachdem eine Desensibilisierung eingetreten ist, das wissen wir alle (richtig, ihr wisst das? Es tut mir leid, wenn nicht. Eigentlich tut es mir wirklich leid, wenn ihr das nicht wisst, und ich spreche mein Beileid aus). Am Ende hat PMO nur ein Ergebnis, und das ist der Kick, also hättet ihr genauso gut nach der allerersten Session aufhören können. Da die Rotlinie immer weiter steigt, ohne dass ein anderes Ergebnis die Steigerung anreizt, werdet ihr nie „nur einen Höhepunkt“ befriedigen, weil ihr ihn bereits erreicht habt, was eine gute Sache ist. Im Wesentlichen denkt ihr vielleicht, dass es jedes Mal etwas anderes ist, obwohl es klar ein Szenario nach dem Muster „immer dasselbe“ sein wird, ästhetisch und in den Umständen. Bitte, leidet nicht so sehr wie ich, nur um das viele Monate später zu erkennen. (Noch bevor der Gedanke, es jemals zu wollen, überhaupt auftaucht, ist die Fahrt schon vorbei, und erkennt das an. Nicht, dass ihr versagt habt, aufzuhören, bevor ihr angefangen habt, sondern ihr habt buchstäblich schon das gewünschte Hoch verfehlt, bevor ihr euch überhaupt darauf eingelassen habt, und sogar nachdem ihr es getan habt.)
  2. Mittel-Zweck-Theorie:
    Warum solltet ihr PMO betreiben, wenn ihr damit den Zweck von PMO untergrabt? Wenn ihr ein Ziel erreicht, wird die Energie für das Erreichen dieses Ziels verbraucht, besonders wenn euer Ziel darin besteht, eine Emotion zu erreichen. Nach PMO fühlt ihr euch schlecht, obwohl ihr Zufriedenheit wolltet. Verbraucht ihr dann nicht Energie, um euch zufrieden zu fühlen, in dem Versuch, euch zufrieden zu fühlen? Das ergibt keinen Sinn, oder? Mit anderen Worten, ihr zwingt euren Körper aktiv, eine Emotion zu empfinden, durch niemanden außer euren eigenen physiologischen Mechanismen, was diese Emotion künstlicher macht, als ihr denkt. Um das abzugrenzen: Das Erreichen von Zielen, bei denen Emotionen nicht das Ziel sind, führt natürlich dazu, dass ihr wertvolle Emotionen empfindet, insbesondere positive. Selbst bei Langeweile würde euer Ziel sich darauf verengen, nicht gelangweilt zu sein, hin zu etwas Umsetzbarem. Wenn man süchtig ist, führt der Zwang dazu, dass das Ziel intrinsisch darin besteht, einen emotionalen Zustand zu erreichen, was dieselbe traurige Logik ist, die auf Gehirnverfall, Doomscrolling usw. angewendet wird (zwanghaftes Konsumverhalten wird in Thema 1.3 erklärt). Deshalb ist es so frustrierend, wenn Leute (Süchtige) sagen, dass Pornografie ihnen tatsächlich Vergnügen bereitet. Sie sind sich gleichzeitig nicht bewusst, dass der Stress in der Verkleidung von Vergnügen auftritt, ähnlich wie die Funktion des Drangs. Warum sonst würden Menschen oft wieder rückfällig werden, nachdem sie sich schlechter fühlen, wenn das Gehirn das Gefühl von Schuld nach der Session mit dem Bedürfnis nach einer weiteren Session verbindet? OOPS, euer Gehirn verbindet die Schuld jetzt mit anderen Gefühlen: „Selbst Emotionen, die wir als negativ wahrnehmen, wie Angst, Sorge, Schuld und Ekel, lösen Dopaminfreisetzung aus. Normalerweise motiviert dieses Dopamin uns, belastende Situationen zu entkommen oder zu lösen, aber im Kontext von ‚corn‘ (Pornografie) interpretiert das Gehirn dies fälschlicherweise als Erregung,“ (Kind_Grapefruit_851, 2024). Macht damit, was ihr wollt. Also selbst darin befriedigt es nicht „nur einen Höhepunkt“. Ehrlich gesagt, warum solltet ihr eure Zeit damit verbringen, euch zwangsweise der Fähigkeit zu berauben, zu fühlen, wenn ihr eure Zeit damit verbringen könntet, das nicht zu tun, und ich weiß, das klingt nach einem zu großen tatsächlichen Paradoxon, aber ich würde behaupten, dass ihr genauso gedacht habt, bevor ihr diesen Beitrag gelesen habt. Aus dieser Logik könntet ihr vielleicht den Punkt ableiten, dass es sinnvoller ist, den Drang zu spüren, als zu masturbieren und eure gesamte emotionale Bank zu leeren. Warum das Baby mit dem Bade ausschütten? Es ist so süß! Es ist menschlich. Es ist vertraut. Es ist… okay.
  3. Ich habe hier nichts hinzuzufügen, ich mag einfach Muster von 3. Ich meine, wartet, halt mal.
    „Wenn ihr einen David und einen Goliath habt, müsst ihr die Bildung des Schädels verstehen; der Schmerz ist relativ gleich.“

Da habt ihr’s : ).


Wie auch immer, ich bin ein glücklicher Nicht-Nutzer, und ich hoffe, ihr werdet es auch sein! Und denkt daran, ihr seid nicht eure Gedanken, sie gehören dem kleinen Monster. Hoffentlich habe ich gerade den großen Monster für euch erledigt, die Gehirnwäsche. Angst ist der einzige Schmerz, aber warum Angst haben, wenn ihr wisst, dass nichts euer Gehirn verstopft, um die Angst zu verstärken? Es ist nur der kleine Monster, der beginnt zu verhungern und zu sterben. Ich hoffe, jeder findet den besten Weg, damit zu leben, diese Denkweisen in unser Leben zu integrieren.

Thema 1.3: PMO und euer Leben:​


Es ist okay, ich habe viel darüber nachgedacht.


Ich denke, die Art und Weise, wie ich zwanghaftes Konsumverhalten betrachte, bezieht sich auf die abyssale Rotlinien-Theorie, die besagt: „Jedes Mal, wenn ihr den Akt ausführt oder nach einem emotionalen Hoch strebt, wird die ‚Rotlinie‘ oder der ‚Standard‘ erhöht, wobei eine Tendenz besteht, nach [übernormalem] Material zu suchen, nachdem eine Desensibilisierung eingetreten ist.“ Dies führt zu der Ansicht, dass, wenn das Ziel nicht die Kontemplation der Ästhetik oder des Umstands ist, sondern das Hoch, ihr euch darauf konditioniert, niemals zufrieden zu sein, aufgrund einer scheinbar unendlichen Menge an Ästhetiken und Umständen, die sich über denselben Hochgefühlseffekt legen, den ihr von euren frühesten Höhepunkten (und wenn überhaupt euren frühesten Sitzungen) hattet. Wenn ihr nach der Kontemplation strebt, aber das Ziel sofort darin besteht, ein Hoch zu erreichen (oder das Ziel unabhängig davon das Hoch zu erreichen ist), dann könntet ihr diese Position einnehmen.


Ich denke, bei normaler Kunst sind die Mittel zur Kontemplation so sofortig, dass wir die Präsenz des Prozesses kaum wahrnehmen, aber wir können Kunst genießen, weil die Kontemplation das übergeordnete Ziel ist, was zu einer nicht-zwangsweisen Zufriedenheit führt. Wenn Kontemplation eine Form der verzögerten Befriedigung ist, würde daraus folgen, dass eine mögliche Lösung für zwanghaftes Konsumverhalten eine methodisierte, verstärkte Integration ist.


Bitte achtet ein wenig auf den Fachjargon.

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Integration
Durch unsere Bemühungen sollten wir Wege finden, verschiedene Objekte zu verstärken, indem wir verschiedene Methoden anwenden, die verzögerte Befriedigung fördern. Dies kann darin bestehen, Pornografie als etwas Negatives zu verstärken durch die verzögerte Befriedigung der Abstinenz oder, was für die meisten kontrovers ist, „P“ als Kunstform zu verstärken durch die verzögerte Befriedigung des Lernens, wie man es zeichnet (z. B. Anatomie, Skizzieren usw.).
Schließlich wird die gewählte Verstärkung als erfrischender Punkt für multiple Ergebnisse dienen, wie es Kunst und andere Freizeitmöglichkeiten (z. B. Sport, Gemeinschaft, autodidaktisches/akademisches Leben, maßvolles Spielen vielleicht, obwohl ich das persönlich nicht tue, wenn es nicht übertragbar ist) tun, wodurch die Bedeutung der Methode, die einen Punkt belastet, während sie den Raum für multiple Lebensergebnisse, insbesondere den Luxus der Kontemplation, einschränkt, aufgehoben wird.


Die Entsprechung
Diese Technik adressiert auch die Eindringlichkeit sexueller Gedanken. Wir haben bestimmte emotionale Neigungen, wenn es um persönliche Autonomie geht, aber PMO/zwanghaftes MO verstärkt eine emotionale Neigung, die von den notwendigen abweicht und in Form von Stress, verkleidet als Vergnügen, auftritt. Doch wenn emotionale Neigungen, die mit Fantasien verbunden sind, von unserer Interpretation abhängen (mit anderen Worten, wenn Neigungen fließend sind), folgt daraus, dass verstärkte Ableitung unsere Wahrnehmung von Fantasie beeinflusst, insbesondere durch das Verständnis der Ideale, die sie vermittelt, und wie sie mit unserer Menschlichkeit verbunden ist.
Das Verstärken von eindringlichen Fantasien beinhaltet, sie während unserer täglichen Bestrebungen anzuerkennen, als eine Ehrung dessen, wer wir als Individuen sind, der besten Teile unserer Menschlichkeit. Also, wann immer ein eindringlicher Gedanke aufkommt, übersteigt ihn, indem du analysierst, wie er sich entweder auf breitere Ideen (z. B. tantrischer Sex, Selbstwirksamkeit, Intimität, mütterliche Zuneigung, Gemeinschaft, Einheit und Einssein, opfernde Liebe, Sicherheit in Gefahr, Dienstbarkeit, Vaterschaft, „Heilige Tempel Gottes/Kammern Gottes“ usw.) oder unsere besseren Ambitionen bezieht; integriere ihre Themen in Streben und Achtsamkeit. Für Fetische reicht dies aus, um eine unreine Reaktion in abstinente Achtsamkeit umzuwandeln.

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TL;DR lol
Sofortige Befriedigung führt nicht unbedingt zu Zufriedenheit, daher würde Befriedigung im richtigen Sinne die Nützlichkeit des Zeitintervalls zwischen dem Zurückhalten und dem Eingehen auf ein Engagement betreffen. Im Wesentlichen verstärkt die Nutzlosigkeit der Suchtsubstanz, indem ihr entweder eure Erfahrungen abseits von oder einschließlich Pornografie (z. B. Gedankenleben) mit Methoden der verzögerten Befriedigung und allgemeiner Achtsamkeit integriert.


(Kommentar: Ich habe versucht, dies am Tag nachdem ich den Moment der Erkenntnis im Dezember 2024 formuliert habe, in meine eigenen Worte zu fassen, also ist es nicht so, als würde ich das spontan erfinden. Genie ist die Meditation des Wissens. Okay, jetzt zum nächsten Teil. Ja, wir wechseln zu einem anderen Thema. Solche Beiträge sieht man nicht jeden Tag; das ist langformatig und sowieso vorteilhaft für die Kognition.)


ERINNERUNG:
Etwas zu erzwingen, das bereits erschöpft ist, ist albern. In Wirklichkeit wird die Energie für das Erreichen von etwas durch etwas anderes kompensiert, das das Ziel weiterentwickelt, indem es ein Teilziel erreicht; es braucht zwei, um zu tanzen! Drei? Fünf… sicher, das auch. Also, eine Emotion physiologisch zu erzwingen in der Hoffnung, eine Emotion zu empfinden, ist einfach dumm, weil ihr mit etwas kompensiert, das bereits erschöpft ist, während ihr in Wirklichkeit Euphorie empfinden könntet, indem ihr euch auf Ziele und Teilziele einlasst. PMO ist kein Ziel und Teilziel, egal wie man es betrachtet, es ist nur das Jagen nach falschem Glück.


Obwohl es bei mir über 15 Jahre gedauert hat, das zu erkennen, und ein Online-Buch nur 7 Monate nach meiner Befreiung, möchte ich, dass ihr wisst, dass ihr zumindest nicht dumm genug seid, das nicht mehr zu erkennen. Es wird Zeit brauchen, sich an die Denkweisen zu gewöhnen, die ich gelernt habe, und an eure eigenen.


- „PMO kann kein Glück jagen, wenn es es erschöpft.
- PMO jagt nur Glück, zwingt euch, es zu erschöpfen.
- Es ist bereits passiert, da es nie nur einen Blick befriedigen wird.
- Es zwingt euch, Zufriedenheit physiologisch zu erschöpfen, niemals nur einen Blick befriedigend.
- Vergnügen zu erzwingen erschöpft Vergnügen.
- Es befriedigt nicht nur einen Höhepunkt, weil es das bereits getan hat.
- Es ist der kleine Monster, der stirbt; ich bin ein glücklicher Nicht-Nutzer.
- Eine Fahne, die nicht gezähmt werden muss, im Wind weht ihr Symbol für Vergnügen.“


„Der kleine Monster setzt sich selbst Stress aus und stirbt deshalb, so wie ihr euch selbst dem Stress ausgesetzt habt und deshalb gestorben seid. Er erlebt dasselbe, was ihr erlebt. Erzwingt kein Vergnügen, schaut euch diese Videos nicht an, fühlt nicht, dass ihr diese Bilder wieder ansehen müsst, denn es ist dasselbe Gefühl.“

„Nun, wenn wir Sex mit Menschen haben, verschwenden wir nicht mehr Vergnügen um des Vergnügens willen. Auf gewisse Weise ist die Energie für das Erleben von Vergnügen physiologisch in Intimität und Bindung innerhalb einer Beziehung zwischen verschiedenen oder gleichen Geschlechtern integriert, was einen viel breiteren Weg für Ergebnisse schafft (dies liegt daran, dass das Endziel die Person ist und nicht das Laster des Vergnügens. Eine Person ist zu viel mehr fähig als ein PMO-Laster oder -Reiz, und daher ist das Ergebnis größer und viel abwechslungsreicher!)“
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Das einzige Ergebnis von PMO ist der Orgasmus, andererseits. Tatsächlich könnte man argumentieren, dass es zwei Ergebnisse gibt: Stress & eine Erschöpfung von euch selbst.

„Zwingt euch physiologisch, erschöpft euch. Erzwingt Vergnügen, und ihr schafft keinen Raum dafür.“ ~ Anonym


--- Falls ihr mit diesen Selbstreflexionen scheitert... Vielleicht solltet ihr euch das nächste Mal daran erinnern, dass, da Stress, verkleidet als Vergnügen/der Drang, sich durch PMO oder zwanghaftes MO ausdrückt, ihr nach PMO dessen Schwächung verkörpert. Es gibt immer eine Chance, durch objektives Denken abzusehen; wenn ihr das Hoch durch den Stress von zwanghaftem MO/PMO erreicht, beginnt ihr, die Schuhe des kleinen Monsters zu tragen, was natürlich unangenehm ist. Ihr könntet denken, dass ihr bereits geschwächt seid, wenn der kleine Monster sehr lange stirbt, bevor ein physischer Rückfall eintritt (a.k.a. der Drang ist immer noch vorhanden), aber erinnert euch: Der Rückfall beginnt immer im Gedanken; haltet es dabei. Ihr seid glückliche Nicht-Nutzer.
 

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experimentalObserver said:
The German translation sounds like the typical generic translation one would expect from Google translator.

So, I find your insight on PMOing doing the opposite of what the user wants to achieve interesting. During the PMO session I feel good but after the O I start to get tired, unmotivated, confused. It's annoying.
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Yeah, that sucks. Google translate also sucks. Means-Ends Theory is super strange in that way, in how examining PMO in itself defeats the purpose when you apply Emmanuel Kant's philosophy, of all things! From the perspective of what your means are compared to your tangible ends in the form of sub-goals and goals, you find the issue in itself from a self-development lens, which is what we're all aiming for. "In filth it shall be found!" Ugh, I've been writing too many quotes. Our brain is just so infatuated with heuristics, a form of convenient cognition, that it upends not only our psychological development but our physicality, too (e.g., erectile dysfunction, neuro-chemical imbalances, etc...). I really want to talk about something I've experienced this morning in regards to goals and sub-goals. It works for PMO for sure, but I also applied it in two other, miscellaneous situations in my life:

1. Exercise ​

2. Morning grogginess​


1. I watched this guy on YouTube about increasing I.Q., and he reintroduced the concept of exercise actually benefiting cognition, wherein the taxation of your body serves as less of a burden on your mind than it would be without said activity. That's when I thought more about what I wrote: what if the physical taxation of your body translates to mental ease, but only when an emotional reaction isn't stressed? That's when I came up with the heuristic, "Expend exhaustion to make room for energizing the mind". From the context of what I wrote, we expend sub-goals to make room for the achievement of goals, which tend to be distinct from one another in terms of each's function.

(This part's pretty cool lol) If I really did apply this heuristic during exercise, that should serve as a signal to my mind that I'm doing the right thing. The brain loves heuristics, not really caring for the details afterwards, much like what happens with PMO. If there's any alluring superficiality, I guess it takes a blind deal, sometimes to our detriment. I go out EVERY DAY now, which is really impressive on my part (I never go out, even though I like the idea). I'm lean, and am somewhat prone to obesity, but exercise is exercise, or else I might fool myself into malnourishment or whatever!

2. Morning grogginess on the other hand was a terrible thing for the entirety of my life. When I was younger, I'd get up early and go to school early because I had to, early. When I didn't need to, I'd just sleep until 11:00 A.M. - 1:00 P.M. (and I still do, until today however for some reason). It wasn't just some reason, in fact at the split second of trying to remember one of my contrarian heuristics of "Expend exhaustion to energize the mind" I actually felt a slight uptick in wanting to just get over the whole charade. I woke up at 7:00 A.M. today, and holy smokes that was cool I guess. So yeah, Kant is pretty cool. I don't know if he intended it to work like that, but that was my interpretation, and that's good enough in itself.
 
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UPDATE 2 UPDATE 3 (srry lol)

Yeah, that sucks. Google translate also sucks. Means-Ends Theory is super strange in that way, in how examining PMO in itself defeats the purpose when applying this theory from Emmanuel Kant's philosophy, of all things! And as I said before, many people recovering from PMO say that it feels good, but don't ever consider how it can feel so good. From causality, it would seem to be a form of siphoning as opposed to gaining, wherein pleasure is focused at one singular point to the detriment of not experiencing it throughout our body afterwards, especially within our lives (it would vary from person to person, I assume, as we're all different at the end of the day). This of course distinctively manifests as long-term negative emotions for everyone on here, if not the majority, what a drag. From the perspective of what your means are compared to your tangible ends, in the form of sub-goals and goals, you find the issue in itself from a self-development lens, which is to stop cheating happiness, something we're all aiming for on here. "In filth it shall be found!" Ugh, I've been writing too many quotes. Our brain is just so infatuated with heuristics, a form of convenient cognition, that it upends not only our psychological development but our physicality, too (e.g., erectile dysfunction, neuro-chemical imbalances, etc...). I really want to talk about something I've experienced this morning in regards to goals and sub-goals. It works for PMO for sure, but I also applied it in two other, miscellaneous situations in my life:

1. Exercise ​

2. Morning grogginess​


1. I watched this guy on YouTube about increasing I.Q., and he reintroduced the concept of exercise actually benefiting cognition, wherein the taxation of your body serves as less of a burden on your mind than when you don't do it because the body will be stronger for the mind to focus on different problems, through periodical routine. That's when I thought more about what I wrote: what if self-proclaimed addicts could get the mental ease they desire instead of lethargy, but only when an emotional reaction isn't stressed through physical taxation over a period of time? What if your standard reaction to the urge is stunted by not understanding the importance of the sub-goals of actions and the goals that should end off with you? That's when I came up with the heuristic, "Expend exhaustion to make room for energizing the mind". From the context of what I wrote, we expend sub-goals to make room for the achievement of goals, which tend to be distinct from one another in terms of each's function.

(This part's pretty cool lol) If I really did apply this heuristic during exercise, that should serve as a signal to my mind that I'm doing the right thing. The brain loves heuristics, not really caring for the details afterwards, much like what happens with PMO. If there's any alluring, superficial gain, I guess it takes a blind deal, sometimes to our detriment. However, I go out EVERY DAY now, which is really impressive on my part (I never go out, even though I like the idea). I'm lean, and am somewhat immune to obesity, but exercise is exercise, or else I might fool my malnourished self into a groggy carcass!

2. Speaking of grogginess, the morning type has always been a terrible thing for me, almost the entirety of my life. When I was younger, I'd get up early and go to school early because I had to, early. When I didn't need to, I'd just sleep until 11:00 A.M. - 1:00 P.M. (and I still do, until today however for some reason). It wasn't just some reason, in fact at the split second of trying to remember one of my contrarian heuristics of "Expend exhaustion to energize the mind" I actually felt a slight uptick in wanting to just get over the whole charade, and so I did. I woke up at 7:00 A.M. today, and holy smokes that was cool I guess. So yeah, Kant is pretty cool. I don't know if he intended it to work like that, but that was my interpretation, and that's good enough in itself.
 
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I was referring to means and ends, specifically not using a person as a means to an end, but keeping them in mind in the end.
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What of Kant's philosophy are you referring to? I haven't read him for a while now.
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So I was essentially applying philosophical and psychological ideas that have stood the test of time. Keep in mind, I didn't read Kant or Beach (Coolidge Effect) at all, but I did read a self help manual that introduced the latter person's theory. I guess I decided to give it a go at interpreting Kant's theory in terms of PMO.

Have you ever heard of anyone on here take this approach before?
 
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Maybe I do have a disease haha! And sometimes, people just have to take what they can get from the internet. Like you said, not a lot of people on here have taken a "debunk" approach of what PMO means for the majority, (actually I'm going to search for some right now, there has to be) or perhaps you were primarily emphasizing how the rhetoric of this guide was above a lexicon or two. I don't blame you, I should do an audio book one day! My impromptu sucks, but I'm willing to go the extra mile as a student when it comes to literary performance. I need to be more humble for everyone else though, we're a tribe you know? However, at the end of day, people will either make poor judgment and miss out on an opportunity to experience a paradigm shift, or they'll buckle down and give me a run for my money. I hope many people can inform me about how this guide has impacted them. As a writer, I always need critique, but I don't want to make things too easy.

On the contrary, I've, in fact, made a diagram for explaining how everything should proceed in the mind of the reader. I realized that it would be really weird trying to remember everything from a single, skyscraper-sized blog post, for most people who have busy lives. It's updated now, as I realize a few imperfections here and there. I aim to make no excuses; however, "All models are wrong, some are useful" ~E.P. Box.

You know, this was actually all inspired by the [REDACTED] method, so this is simply a NoFap version of it, I hope.
 
I experienced that first hand on Reddit, twice... I actually think I can understand the motivation behind such a thing, auto-moderating the blacklisting of this website. Even though NoFap seems redundant, that's not really a well-rounded critique of its system. The redundancy of relapse and/or success updates should be expected because the struggle of addiction is collectively justified by all of our experiences, including mine. Many others say it's hard, which makes sense because we don't know where to find resources to lower the barrier of entry for recovery. The truth is that, and I believe you know this as well, the method was banned for the soul purpose of it counting as spam, and mentioning the name (which none shall do under any circumstances on here for the said reason) is quite a subversive experience.

I mean, going online and saying to people that there's an easier way of doing an agreeably hard thing is like convincing people of A.I. being good for the education system. It's so new, but it's counter-intuitive. However, I'll say that all the method does is play with our heuristics a bit by anticipating the principle of what we should be doing: Meditating on mindsets ([REDACTED]) and living the best versions of our lives (NoFap, "get a new grip on life"), is literally its soul purpose. If anything, I like what NoFap did for some reason. It inadvertently encouraged me to apply and develop my understanding of the [blacklisted phrase] method, since I thought it was that powerful for it to not have been shared with the people on this community. There were funny responses to the blacklist on Reddit, actually. Some say that the NoFap trench coats and executives banned the method because they want to keep millions trapped. "Billions must relapse," isn't a good simplification of their intentions, but perhaps its an unfortunate circumstance. This appears to be very multi-boundary and complex. In the end, this is my interpretation. I hope everyone's happy to have a NoFap version of this on their own forum, because I genuinely would like to help people without anything illegal happening. I digress on the last part.
 

For Those Who Need to Understand the Mindfulness Models:​


There are three stages to go through, but it's the same schema.

1. Basic - The logical pattern to follow, pretty simple to navigate, just to get the gist of how the SGP framework is generally applied.

2. Adept V2 - The proactive line of thought when engaging with the urge, or little monster so to speak. It's a flow of consciousness that focuses on how to think when you're at the lowest stage, Worst Scenario (Touchy). From the first most to last most important mantras to affirm, it goes from "Forcing Pleasure Depletes Pleasure" to "It's the little monster dying" ( noun lowercased for a reason ;)). The intent is to compartmentalize each aspect of the urge and/or intrusive thought, moving on up until you get to the first mantra, which intuitively leads you to recollect about the Basic framework, or logical flow of PMO's futility.

3. Adept V3 - Just a slight little nudge to remember that thinking of peaking at porn simultaneously relates to the stress of actually looking at it, alongside the stress of committing PMO (through depletion/lethargy), and the stress of the urge, even when you're not even touching yourself! All in all, it's called stress-guised-as-pleasure. That's my conception of porn at this point, as it helps to view it for what it really is worth: An emotional reaction that doesn't satiate just a peak, really just worthless in the end, entirely a never ending stress-gauntlet. It can end though, and it's our choice.
 
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Being a member of the gen z community, I have to say just this one phrase you are officially the LEVEL 100 YAPALOGY BOSS but on a more serious note, this was a great read. The part that resonated and shook me the most was the deconstruction of how happiness is only felt before the relapse, but depletes immediately after PMO. Therefore, we can conclude that PMOing is just a method of reducing pleasure and can't be objectively pleasurable. I had a flawed belief that I gained some sort of "momentary pleasure" while PMO'ing but this can't be true because emotions are totally subjective. This is the first time I truly grasped the concept of subjectivity and it was really eye opening.
(psst we're around the same age and your language just sounds so sophisticated, im genuinly so impressed. Do you think philosophy books contributed the most to developing your writing style?)
 
Wow, and you were the first person to ever give me a run for my money (congrats)! You explained what I was attempting to communicate in such brevity, you came to a conclusion. So adjacent to what I've wrote that the response might as well have replaced the TL;DR section at the end of Topic 1.3. (edit: Though, I would rather say that emotions can be subjective, or "our emotions are totally subjective when it comes to PMO", since various ingroups have their own interpretation of its ends for them in their own lives, still the same idea). In the end, subjectivity can only be useful if your sustained end is brought to mind (thanks, Kant), which PMO cannot acknowledge or address, and many people would think this way about PMO. But this idea must be communicated thoroughly in order for more and more people to fully understand this absurdity of unaddressed desire. When people like you come and explain this concept, I can only hope for the inadvertent prospect of ever-more thorough reasons for everyone to quit porn. I think we must stop this charade by acknowledging more of our biases and outdated heuristics, together. This would seriously aid in anyone's initiative to recover.

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(psst we're around the same age and your language just sounds so sophisticated, im genuinly so impressed. Do you think philosophy books contributed the most to developing your writing style?)
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In regards to eloquence, I've really liked doing writing more than doing anything else, weirdly enough. I always wanted to draw, or make programs, but in my darkest times or whenever I had something interesting to think about, I would simply open up a Google Doc and write away. Usually these are attempts at hermetic musings, which would have been incidentally brought about by my undying pursuit of contrarianism. Most people type a one-sentence comment on YouTube, I see that as a chance to "be better" than them by attempting to write my own perspective on top of the video's own, contextualizing things a bit for everyone. My goal is to presently help people, even if it might be one person outside of my own vantage point, even if it was for myself as well. That's what keeps me going, knowing that there are a bunch of little "Me's" out there who need the help I would have needed when I was younger. That's the spark of all my writings.

In short, reading philosophy books doesn't seem to be in my recollection, as I've found inspiration from learning how to use more advanced words for whatever endeavor my writing is trying to complete. I'm also a student, and am presently compensating for my lack of structure when it comes to traditional essay-style formats.
 
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I think we must stop this charade by acknowledging more of our biases and outdated heuristics, together. This would seriously aid in anyone's initiative to recover.
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This should be written in a pen of gold. But it's easier said than done, as it also means changing your whole behaviors and actions to align with your end goals.
VoreRecoverer said:
In regards to eloquence, I've really liked doing writing more than doing anything else, weirdly enough. I always wanted to draw, or make programs, but in my darkest times or whenever I had something interesting to think about, I would simply open up a Google Doc and write away.
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That's pretty coool, I had the same passion when it came to playing football/soccer. It was go-to stress reliever and how I'd like to spend any free time I had.
 
chakra666 said:
OP wrote his post using AI. Why not write it yourself?
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I'm not sure why I would invest my time in posting an A.I.'s hallucination in response to an ongoing pandemic among my generation, and future generations as well. Could you elaborate a bit more on how this post could have been written by A.I.?

We can keep it at a minimum. If you didn't read the prelude to this post, it would seem you have a certain reservation. (send your message directly to me, please. Thanks).
 
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So, if anyone is still a bit confused about the reinforcement for my methodology, don't worry.

"The truth is at the tip of everyone's tongue, lacking communicative power." I realized that my writings could have used a few edits to brush up on the logical structure logical flow for one of the theories, that theory being Means-Ends Theory. The way I was communicating my points were through sites that suffered short word counts, like Discord, so I had some trouble communicating the entirety of my intuition. It did aid in communicating my points more concisely, but made my work suffer from a lack of clarity at times as I was unsure about how to make the connections for a few ideas stick. The clarity flows much more smoothly now, given the word count!

Tell you what, just re-read the theory in Topic 1.2 and give me your personal thoughts if you want. And for those who are new here, you're welcome to read the whole thing how it was meant to be. Stay safe.

I mean, it's okay if you don't do the thing because it's your leisure time. Just make sure to spend it wisely is all, why am I so conscientious lol.
 
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Just an FYI for anyone lost a bit:

When it came to me, I learned to separate the withdrawal pang from the little monster.

Instead, the withdrawal pang was miscellaneous because there would be no brainwashing to reinforce the fear associated with pangs, ***because fear is the pang*** (a fruitless phobia at this point). The little monster was simply just a conditioned apparition that learned as I learned, like a friend, an immaterial, lower ideal of my past that was now severely weakened due to un-brainwashing (sort of like a bad joke of a quantum state).

I tried reducing as much fear as I could experience by personifying the little monster, not necessarily making it a divisive trickster nor the result of a pang in my case, though what it wanted was a divisive trick. It not being inherently evil, but the method it was entertaining making it seem it ought to be evil, when it's simply just a sign of growth, the little monster starving (trying to fast alongside you, lol?). I'd simply have to guide it, and understand it, like its teacher.

Gratitude, broskies.
  • "You don't have to debilitate yourself with the little monster's burden (through PMO)"
  • "You've jumped back from on-going relapse before, you can get through it now!"
  • "It's already feeling how you feel during and after PMO, for you."
 
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