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How many of you believe in Climate change?

Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by Environmental Specialist, Jul 30, 2019.

  1. I am a scientist so I know. Just thought of hearing other's opinions on the topic.
     
  2. Davinblake

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    I just got into it thanks to Gore's documentaries and real world experience. It scares me a bit. In my school a professor decided to introduce it to us while explaining mechanics and man was it harsh! It's not something you believe in, it's something that it's there. Like holocaust rather than like flat earth
     
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  3. It's not a believe, it's a knowledge.
     
  4. Davinblake

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    Exactly
     
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  5. For me and you, it is knowledge but surprisingly it is a belief for a lot of people out there.
     
  6. wuuzap22

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    yeah, as someone already mentioned.....this is not believe, this is proven. it´s a scientifically proven fact, that the vast majority of scientists agree on.
     
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  7. Septimus

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    Others beat me to it. "Believe in" sounds like we're talking about a religious dogma, not a question of facts and the best explanation for the same.

    My take on climate change? The climate is always changing and has been for billions of years.

    More precisely: Is the earth getting warmer? And is human activity substantially contributing to it?

    There seems to be a significant amount of evidence pointing in the direction of warming, with human causation at least to some degree. HOWEVER: I think a lot of the discussion about it, including by those who are or claim to be scientists (like Bill Nye, who I think is NOT actually a scientist), has contributed to skepticism. Science includes a measure of skepticism as theories are tested and re-tested. So talk of "the science is settled" strikes me again as dogmatism. Science is always open to further data.

    Another reason I view this with some skepticism is because of all the various models that are referred to. Did you know I can predict, with complete accuracy, what the Dow Jones Industrial Average will do tomorrow, next month, and next year? I can (and so can you). Here's how I do it. In my drawer I have a variety of models for what the DJIA will do on Wednesday, July 31: up 1%, up 2%, down 1%, down 3%, and so forth. When the market closes tomorrow, I'll pull out the one that predicts it, and show you! See? This is what it sure seems to be going on with claims about warming; we keep shifting from one model to the other. Maybe that's a function of bad science reporting, or scientists who are also politically active. In any case, it damages credibility. Pick a model and stick to it.

    A third reason I am cautious. We have so many people claiming it's a crisis -- but they don't act like it's a crisis, quite the contrary. A lot of flying around the world in small jets, big conferences that could be done with a lot more telecommunication and less travel, and lots of advocates who live carbon-intensive lifestyles. The New York Times says Americans use too much air conditioning; but the Times hasn't shut down it's a/c. Stuff like that.

    A fourth reason I'm skeptical is because I think, assuming there is human-caused warming, it remains a legitimate question whether the best avenue is trying to scale back emissions, or else to work on mitigation of consequences and adaptation. Yet so much of the discussion of the science is directly linked to specific policy proposals ("Green New Deal") which are gargantuan and proceed as much or more out of ideology as out of science. There seems a lot of shouting-down by cut-the-emissions folks seeking to silence the mitigation/adaptation ideas.

    Am I saying it's fake? Nope. I am not a scientist, so unless I'm going to get the necessary education, I have no choice but to give a great deal of deference to those who have the requisite knowledge. BUT: that doesn't mean I don't apply my critical faculties, including my bulls**t detector. Scientists have a lot to contribute, and we should listen, but they aren't a priesthood and science isn't a collection of dogmas.

    So I'm paying attention and evaluating the quality of the arguments with the tools I have.
     
  8. Septimus

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    Oh, another reason for caution: the whole "consensus" and "97% agree" arguments are unconvincing arguments, indeed, they are anti-convincing. At various points in the history of various scientific explanations we now take as certain, what proved to be more true were not the "consensus" view.
     
  9. wuuzap22

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    do you have an example for this statement? a situation where the overwhelming majority of scientists was completely wrong? And i mean by scientific standards. not some "the earth is flat believe" before tools where available to prove otherwise.
     
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  10. Wayne Kest

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    An easily solvable "problem". The knowledge AND the technology to completely reverse and prevent future greenhouse effects already exists, they're just not being used. It seems intentional, tbh. Don't stress about it, stress kills.
     
  11. Climate change adaptation is already being talked about and implemented as we speak. Infact, Bureau of Transportation Statistics has compiled the list of projects for which climate change adaption was implemented in the United States, all in the last 15 years.
     
  12. Oh sorry. I was actually replying to his comment but quoted yours. My bad.
     
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  13. Wayne Kest

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    >.<
     
  14. Wayne Kest

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    Mr. Scientist, solutions for these problems existed for decades, though. Those projects are a distraction.
     
  15. So can you kindly enlighten us by naming one practical solution?
     
  16. Planting new trees at a greater rate than we cut them down would help. But that is where practical gets set aside by financial. Therein lies the problem with solutions, money, who is going to pay for it.
     
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  17. rafael33

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    Well, I had a wonderful life on planet .
    The next years and decades will not be comfortable at all.
    Climate has already changed more than we once imagined..
    It’s unbelievable how many people give birth to babies nowadays.
    Don’t they know what this planet will look like in 20, 30, 50 years?
    Will we stop it? I don’t believe. Too much greed and corruption in this world. The situation is already out of control. And brainwashed people will vote for those politicians who are destroying this planet.
     
  18. I agree with you. People don't realize how dire the situation has become. The wheel is already in motion, it is going to take drastic actions to stop it, if we can.
     
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