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Infinite Fire

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Our most sacred fluid our semen is not to waste and that's no different in a relationship and sex. If one doesn't have a partner then its smartest to do Semen Retention ofcourse. However, in a relationship I think you can have what I'll call Partner Share Retention. This is to have sex but not to waste the semen. No condoms to pollute your Semen with plastic (and limiting the pleasure), no pills and such that goes without saying, either pull out method or no vaginal penetration which btw is also very fun and takes a longer time!

We know Semen is full of nutrients so if the force of love dominates to make love with your partner then it's either for vaginal intercourse and procreation, Or .. Semen absorption by her. Semen absorption without penetration (unless pullout method) is like a sacrifice you do to her gifting her rich nutrients from a manly body and the masculine energy world. She can either absorb your Semen by skin (i guess better in the night where you sleep after action so it has time to absorb) or simply swallow it. If your partner is not comfortable swallowing then either you have a poor diet and health thus making it taste bad (animal based foods and non processed is the healthiest), or she is too afraid and unwild, or maybe not submissive enough altho anyway make sure it is healthy and tasty. And don't be shy to try your own abit with her. theres no issues with it and in fact women find that hot and would also be encouraged to swallow if you're eager do it yourself.

So this way you have both the fun with love, and those sacred nutrients will be used and gifted to her. Imagine how much health this can bring to her in her pregnancy. And imagine if this somehow becomes tradition, how well we can manage the world population without the need of condoms and all that plastic chemical stuff.

Edit: PS ofc there's the pregnancy chance with precum if no condoms used I forgot to address this, however there are a couple of days in the woman's period were she can't get pregnant. So maybe we are not meant to be having penetration sex the whole time in her month, but in some days of it. Seems also good to abstain for 3 weeks and come to action with full energy.
 
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Infinite Fire said:
Our most sacred fluid our semen is not to waste and that's no different in a relationship and sex. If one doesn't have a partner then its smartest to do Semen Retention ofcourse. However, in a relationship I think you can have what I'll call Partner Share Retention. This is to have sex but not to waste the semen. No condoms to pollute your Semen with plastic (and limiting the pleasure), no pills and such that goes without saying, either pull out method or no vaginal penetration which btw is also very fun and takes a longer time!

We know Semen is full of nutrients so if the force of love dominates to make love with your partner then it's either for vaginal intercourse and procreation, Or .. Semen absorption by her. Semen absorption without penetration (unless pullout method) is like a sacrifice you do to her gifting her rich nutrients from a manly body and the masculine energy world. She can either absorb your Semen by skin (i guess better in the night where you sleep after action so it has time to absorb) or simply swallow it. If your partner is not comfortable swallowing then either you have a poor diet and health (animal based foods and non processed is the healthiest), or she is too afraid and unwild, or maybe not submissive enough altho anyway make sure it is healthy and tasty. And don't be shy to try your own abit with her. theres no issues with it and in fact women find that hot and would also be encouraged to swallow if you're eager do it yourself.

So this way you have both the fun with love, and those sacred nutrients will be used and gifted to her. Imagine how much health this can bring to her in her pregnancy. And imagine if this somehow becomes tradition, how well we can manage the world population without the need of condoms and all that plastic chemical stuff.
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There are a few problems with what you are advocating.

first, men generally don’t do semen retention and I don’t know why it would be ideal to even do semen retention. Every medical study ever done has shown retaining semen does nothing. It is exactly the same as someone who released his sperm.

second, did you read what you typed before posting this? Things you say such as “maybe she isn’t submissive enough”, you have to be joking, right? Are you insinuating a woman needs to be submissive to drink your semen?

you then say “try it yourself with your partner, women find this hot”. I’m not sure where have gotten this from. I have been with my fair share of women and none have ever even entertained the idea of me tasting my semen. In fact I just mentioned it to my FWB and she was completely grossed out by the idea of me trying my semen (was never going to do it, just wanted to see a raw reaction).

third, the idea that you should never use condoms for sex is Ludacris. Many people don’t do semen retention and are sexually active. If you have penetration without condom, it exposes you to many STD’s, it’s just reckless and irresponsible.

also when you mention “sex can be fun without penetration” yeah we can all agree foreplay is fun, however I don’t think anyone wants to be having intimacy without penetration. There has to be penetration at some point and once again you are basically telling the woman she shouldn’t desire penetration. No woman will ever agree to this.

fourth, you talk about the nutrients in semen. I’m it sure if you know this, but you can get an entires worth of nutrition from healthy foods. There are also health benefits in drinking urine, are we now advocating people start doing this?

and here’s the part that doesn’t make any sense to me when you say “pollute your semen with plastic” and “wasting semen”…….it comes back. I don’t understand this logic, semen builds up in the body again, it keeps producing. I don’t understand what you mean by “wasting semen” if you can get it back by your body producing this again.

I will also add a pull out method doesn’t always work. Pre cum has about 20 percent chance of impregnating the woman. Once again, it’s just reckless

if I’m being honest, what you typed out just sounds very fetish like
 
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You see these crazy posts when the nopmo/semen retention cult is "pushed to the limit", until it became something similar to a religion.
 
If you're afraid of getting or having STD's then you or her should be sleeping around less. that'll be a you problem. otherwise theres no danger and you must be clean.
 
Keepitsimple1989 said:
There are a few problems with what you are advocating.

first, men generally don’t do semen retention and I don’t know why it would be ideal to even do semen retention. Every medical study ever done has shown retaining semen does nothing. It is exactly the same as someone who released his sperm.

second, did you read what you typed before posting this? Things you say such as “maybe she isn’t submissive enough”, you have to be joking, right? Are you insinuating a woman needs to be submissive to drink your semen?

you then say “try it yourself with your partner, women find this hot”. I’m not sure where have gotten this from. I have been with my fair share of women and none have ever even entertained the idea of me tasting my semen. In fact I just mentioned it to my FWB and she was completely grossed out by the idea of me trying my semen (was never going to do it, just wanted to see a raw reaction).

third, the idea that you should never use condoms for sex is Ludacris. Many people don’t do semen retention and are sexually active. If you have penetration without condom, it exposes you to many STD’s, it’s just reckless and irresponsible.

also when you mention “sex can be fun without penetration” yeah we can all agree foreplay is fun, however I don’t think anyone wants to be having intimacy without penetration. There has to be penetration at some point and once again you are basically telling the woman she shouldn’t desire penetration. No woman will ever agree to this.

fourth, you talk about the nutrients in semen. I’m it sure if you know this, but you can get an entires worth of nutrition from healthy foods. There are also health benefits in drinking urine, are we now advocating people start doing this?

and here’s the part that doesn’t make any sense to me when you say “pollute your semen with plastic” and “wasting semen”…….it comes back. I don’t understand this logic, semen builds up in the body again, it keeps producing. I don’t understand what you mean by “wasting semen” if you can get it back by your body producing this again.

I will also add a pull out method doesn’t always work. Pre cum has about 20 percent chance of impregnating the woman. Once again, it’s just reckless

if I’m being honest, what you typed out just sounds very fetish like
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If you're afraid of getting or having STD's then you or her should be sleeping around less and anyway this whole STD thing is just medical industry fear mongering but im not getting into that, simply just don't be a slut and you would be clean. About the Pre Cum you can do it in the time period where the female partner is not fertile. So perhaps yeah its good to only do it a few days in a month as the rest of the month has the pregnancy risk. About your FWB who didnt like the idea at all well i think the reason is simple as you didn't even understand, she's a friend for just benefits and not Love. When your partner loves you its to a different level.

about the submissiveness i might be wrong. Sure women are submissive in bed but the act of swallowing can be just a love thing. However whats interesting is when the man swallows his own he hasn't gained much he already had those nutrients. But the female partner gets those proteins and masculine human made energy she wouldn't otherwise get. Its this Tai and Chi energy transmission.
 
Infinite Fire said:
dont you guys find Condoms and Spermicides sad?
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no, I think the best/safest technique for sex is to use a condom AND pullout

also, I don’t think semen when outside of the body has any health effects. I think only if it remains inside the man’s body, then it can add health and vitality to the man who is retaining semen

once the substance leaves the body, I don’t think the substance itself has any power (besides to create a child)

so I don’t think eating semen or absorbing it through the skin has any positive effect

MAYBE it has some sort of good effect on a woman… but I kinda doubt it
 
Infinite Fire said:
If you're afraid of getting or having STD's then you or her should be sleeping around less. that'll be a you problem. otherwise theres no danger and you must be clean.
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or how about you can have sex and just use condoms? That sounds like a much more simple approach.

I also love how you avoided addressing how sex without a condom still has a 20 percent chance of pregnancy from pre-cum. So even if you pull out before you finish, she still has a much much higher chance of getting pregnant without a condom than with a condom

I also love how you conveniently avoided every other issue that was mentioned and only addressed condoms. Everyone else that responded to you should be an indication to how Ludacris your post is
 
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EscapingPMO said:
no, I think the best/safest technique for sex is to use a condom AND pullout

also, I don’t think semen when outside of the body has any health effects. I think only if it remains inside the man’s body, then it can add health and vitality to the man who is retaining semen

once the substance leaves the body, I don’t think the substance itself has any power (besides to create a child)

so I don’t think eating semen or absorbing it through the skin has any positive effect

MAYBE it has some sort of good effect on a woman… but I kinda doubt it
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look into medical studies done on semen retention. There has never been any study to show pertaining semen in a man’s body adds any health benefit than someone who is releasing their semen.

There are short term benefits to testosterone when holding in semen, however it’s temporary and last within a 24 hour window, then it drops back down to base level. So it really has no affect on a man if he retains his semen.
 
EscapingPMO said:
no, I think the best/safest technique for sex is to use a condom AND pullout

also, I don’t think semen when outside of the body has any health effects. I think only if it remains inside the man’s body, then it can add health and vitality to the man who is retaining semen

once the substance leaves the body, I don’t think the substance itself has any power (besides to create a child)

so I don’t think eating semen or absorbing it through the skin has any positive effect

MAYBE it has some sort of good effect on a woman… but I kinda doubt it
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well there are reports that it has good effects for her especially with swallowing. And it is well known that our skin absorbs material too (which is why you should not be wearing polyester and plastic clothing) touching grass is good as they say and all that. But would be nice if they make studies on it and it gets well known. I have to emphasize again, if you're on a healthy diet (imo Carnivore) every part of you shall be healthy too and i can't see disadvantages there. The vitality to the man with retaining is no question ofc. The question is how is it best to use this energy in intercourse. Yeah i know condoms are not the safest yet, it has ripped of for me once while my ex was not on the pill or anything as she never was, luckily I saw that it is teared in action before ejaculation. Have i not seen it i might have had a child now without economic stability lol.
 
Keepitsimple1989 said:
look into medical studies done on semen retention. There has never been any study to show pertaining semen in a man’s body adds any health benefit than someone who is releasing their semen.

There are short term benefits to testosterone when holding in semen, however it’s temporary and last within a 24 hour window, then it drops back down to base level. So it really has no affect on a man if he retains his semen.
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maybe they don't let such studies to be done? It's really obvious that everytime you relapse you lose a part of your soul and energy and just frankly live less. Unless you're talking about sex where there is the positive trade-off of love and connection but even there the energy depletion is obvious. We can't be so dependent on studies and praise modern science like a religion. Not saying they're all wrong but its definitely not perfect. Especially with health topics we can observe and experience things ourselves and that's valuable.
 
Infinite Fire said:
maybe they don't let such studies to be done? It's really obvious that everytime you relapse you lose a part of your soul and energy and just frankly live less. Unless you're talking about sex where there is the positive trade-off of love and connection but even there the energy depletion is obvious. We can't be so dependent on studies and praise modern science like a religion. Not saying they're all wrong but its definitely not perfect. Especially with health topics we can observe and experience things ourselves and that's valuable.
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what you are saying is “avoid the studies available on semen retention” and “listen to my bro science, I promise it’s true because I feel it”.

there have been multiple tests done on semen retention and every medical study that was done came back conclusively that it had no benefit when retaining semen as opposed to releasing it.

I use to do natural competitive bodybuilding (don't compete anymore but still train 6 days a week, I have been training for 20 years). I have been studying testosterone since I was 12 (35 now) and there is not one study that shows any benefits to semen retention.

A relapse is different than releasing semen. If you are taking about relapsing to porn or masturbation, you lose a part of your soul because of the shame behind a negative act. Porn destroys your dopamine, and when knowing it does this and also other negative effects of porn, you are always going to have shame, guilt and feel defeated and depleted.

when talking about releasing semen through sex, you don’t feel any part of your soul leave you or your energy. I’m taking about even casual sex. I have had gf’s, one night stands, FWB (currently in one) and was once married. I felt the same every time I had sex with any of them. My energy felt the same.

you are saying we can’t praise modern science like a religion, however you are praising semen retention with no scientific peer reviewed medical studies and basing off a simple placebo affect.

you can do as you want, but you can’t make the claim “vitality is the man retaining” when you have nothing to prove this.

I think people need to back their claims with research before making “bro science” claims and passing it on as if it is truth.
 
Keepitsimple1989 said:
look into medical studies done on semen retention. There has never been any study to show pertaining semen in a man’s body adds any health benefit than someone who is releasing their semen.

There are short term benefits to testosterone when holding in semen, however it’s temporary and last within a 24 hour window, then it drops back down to base level. So it really has no affect on a man if he retains his semen.
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There is for sure a mental effect though… also, just because we don’t have the tools to measure the negative effects of ejaculation doesn’t mean these effects don’t exist

But yes, for some people I’m sure ejaculation doesn’t harm them… but not everyone is 100% healthy to start so for some people it may be more detrimental than others
 
Keepitsimple1989 said:
what you are saying is “avoid the studies available on semen retention” and “listen to my bro science, I promise it’s true because I feel it”.

there have been multiple tests done on semen retention and every medical study that was done came back conclusively that it had no benefit when retaining semen as opposed to releasing it.

I use to do natural competitive bodybuilding (don't compete anymore but still train 6 days a week, I have been training for 20 years). I have been studying testosterone since I was 12 (35 now) and there is not one study that shows any benefits to semen retention.

A relapse is different than releasing semen. If you are taking about relapsing to porn or masturbation, you lose a part of your soul because of the shame behind a negative act. Porn destroys your dopamine, and when knowing it does this and also other negative effects of porn, you are always going to have shame, guilt and feel defeated and depleted.

when talking about releasing semen through sex, you don’t feel any part of your soul leave you or your energy. I’m taking about even casual sex. I have had gf’s, one night stands, FWB (currently in one) and was once married. I felt the same every time I had sex with any of them. My energy felt the same.

you are saying we can’t praise modern science like a religion, however you are praising semen retention with no scientific peer reviewed medical studies and basing off a simple placebo affect.

you can do as you want, but you can’t make the claim “vitality is the man retaining” when you have nothing to prove this.

I think people need to back their claims with research before making “bro science” claims and passing it on as if it is truth.
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sounds like you might have really good genetics also… so your perspective might be a little skewed… I bet it’s true for you that an ejaculation doesn’t cause any negative effects

I know for me, even after sex (not masturbation)… I feel more tired in my body and I also can not concentrate as deeply, like if I was reading a science article I couldn’t understand it as well after sex
 
Infinite Fire said:
If you're afraid of getting or having STD's then you or her should be sleeping around less and anyway this whole STD thing is just medical industry fear mongering but im not getting into that, simply just don't be a slut and you would be clean. About the Pre Cum you can do it in the time period where the female partner is not fertile. So perhaps yeah its good to only do it a few days in a month as the rest of the month has the pregnancy risk. About your FWB who didnt like the idea at all well i think the reason is simple as you didn't even understand, she's a friend for just benefits and not Love. When your partner loves you its to a different level.

about the submissiveness i might be wrong. Sure women are submissive in bed but the act of swallowing can be just a love thing. However whats interesting is when the man swallows his own he hasn't gained much he already had those nutrients. But the female partner gets those proteins and masculine human made energy she wouldn't otherwise get. Its this Tai and Chi energy transmission.
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But you wouldn’t need to limit sex if you use condoms is the point I am making. There is no reason someone should have to avoid sex if they want it simply over condoms. Also, you can’t say someone is a slut because she has sex when not in a relationship, that’s not for you to decide and label. Not everyone has to be in a relationship to have sex.

also, when you said sex with your partner would be reduced to a couple of times a month to potentially avoid pregnancy, again, why would anyone want to do that. The best part about a partner is spontaneous sex. You are basically planing when you can and can’t have sex, this isn’t ideal at all. All this just because someone “believes” semen is the secret to life even though no study has proven this, but has proven the opposite.

As for the comment you made about tasting semen saying “it’s because shoes tour FWB” changes nothing, I’ve know this woman for 10 years and we are extremely close. She was about to throw up at the idea I taste my own sperm. Even while I was married, my wife was grossed out if semen would even touch her, let alone the idea of her drinking it. No woman I have been In a relationship has suggested this idea. Are there some that swallow? Yes, however it isn’t a lot of women that do this. As for the man, almost none would taste their own semen, that’s just foul.

but again, you are not proving any of this with any backed studies, I can link you plenty of studies performed on semen retention and what the outcomes were, yet you can’t do this and expect me to believe your word and how you feel over medical science and sample studies performed on this exact topic.
 
EscapingPMO said:
sounds like you might have really good genetics also… so your perspective might be a little skewed… I bet it’s true for you that an ejaculation doesn’t cause any negative effects

I know for me, even after sex (not masturbation)… I feel more tired in my body and I also can not concentrate as deeply, like if I was reading a science article I couldn’t understand it as well after sex
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What I will say is what you said you experience is normal. It’s like a gym session, after I am done I am tired, however throughout the day I start to feel more energy as it comes back. Sex is the same, in the beginning when you first ejaculate, you will always feel a little tired and depending how intense the sex is will also play a role, however throughout the day your energy does come back just like e gym workout.

there are some people who train at the gym and you see them doing all these weird training methods and diets. When you tell them “you can have better results if you stick to what medical science has proven” they respond with “you don’t know what your talking about” and the most common one “you have good bodybuilding genetics” to such yes, I do have good bodybuilding genetics but I was able to get to this level by doing things that have been proven.

What I am trying to say is, it’s a placebo effect. The gym is full of it and so is semen retention. You give someone a “fake” pre workout and they will tell you “I felt soo much energy during the set” when really it was a fake pre workout and it had nothing to do with them feeling “extra energy”, it was simple the idea it was a pre workout which caused the placebo affect. Semen retention is the same, when someone believes semen retention is giving them “energy” and “superpowers” it is nothing more than a placebo affect. It is the exact reason why no bodybuilder retains their semen, studies have shown it does nothing.
 
Infinite Fire said:
If you're afraid of getting or having STD's then you or her should be sleeping around less and anyway this whole STD thing is just medical industry fear mongering but im not getting into that, simply just don't be a slut and you would be clean. About the Pre Cum you can do it in the time period where the female partner is not fertile. So perhaps yeah its good to only do it a few days in a month as the rest of the month has the pregnancy risk. About your FWB who didnt like the idea at all well i think the reason is simple as you didn't even understand, she's a friend for just benefits and not Love. When your partner loves you its to a different level.

about the submissiveness i might be wrong. Sure women are submissive in bed but the act of swallowing can be just a love thing. However whats interesting is when the man swallows his own he hasn't gained much he already had those nutrients. But the female partner gets those proteins and masculine human made energy she wouldn't otherwise get. Its this Tai and Chi energy transmission.
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It’s amazing to be how ignorant / blind or u educated people are. We are so lost it’s normal to have no idea abiut this stuff and someone who is in a FWB thing calling someone out. So backwards and crazy! Thanks for you post tho really interesting.
 
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