How u felt after 200+ days hard mode orgasm?

Discussion in 'Abstinence, Retention, and Sexual Transmutation' started by Legacy of Lost Soul, Jan 16, 2023.

  1. Legacy of Lost Soul

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    I just want to know, how u guys, who went beyond 200 or 300 or even more days of hardmode, felt during the days/weeks after u orgasmed...

    Those who read my previous posts already know, that for me, such events were always utterly devastating. I ended my 200, 300 and 2nd 300 days hard mode streaks orgasming with females, always to face the most dire consequences. Looking 5-10 years older, weak, desacrated, stupid, anxious, depressed, disconected from the source, low willpower, falling ill, suiciadal ideas...total bottom. It took me few days, to reach these depths of sorrow. And like 2 to 3 weeks to get better.

    I want to know from others, how it was for You?

    Thanks for input!

    Ps: pls if you did not go beyond 200 or close to that, think about what you can add to the topic 1st, before you post. Ofc you can add valuable input. Just make sure its not the noise, thanks a lot!
     
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  2. Andy1517

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    I’ve been abstaining from pmo for bout 9 months that’s bout 300 days and I tell u after orgasms/sex I face bout the same symptoms even more from looking 5 to 10 years older down suicidal thoughts and I hate the fact that I have those thoughts but I face more things such as dizziness, jolt while I sleep, nerve pain etc
     
  3. Legacy of Lost Soul

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    Thanks for the feedback, my condolences, I feel you.... we need more feedback on this
     
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  4. same man, i’ve gone 240 days and relapsed and it’s like falling from heaven. everything sucks after relapse all the things you mentioned and more

    hope you get back up there this year
     
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  5. Redemptionisrequired

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    It's wild to see the impact it has on some people.

    Personally, relapsed after nearly 400 days free of MO and around 420 free of Porn. I went autopilot for a few months (1-2 times a week), I definitely did not feel great, but I also didn't go back to step 1. Given I was relapsing for a few months at that time, I felt a shift in my mental health. More anxiety/depression and definitely more fatigued.

    Recently relapsed after 184 days, just felt a bit of a loss of motivation. The rest is more or less the same though.

    Is this after 1 orgasm? If it is, may I ask, is it possible that you have had some sort of trauma associated to your orgasm (whether when you were younger or at some point in your life)? Could it be psychosomatic and causing all those symptoms to reemerge after an orgasm? Or do you think it is post orgasmic illness syndrome (POIS)?
     
  6. Legacy of Lost Soul

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    Hi, its after 1 orgasm. I never had these issues, prior to doing long hard-mode streaks. So I dont think this is a trauma based, as that issue would manifest earlier, after said trauma happened.

    I was thinking about psychosomatic part in the past. Thing is, I dont know..

    I was observing how I feel after a orgasm a lot, during 2021 I believe, and I did not find a way to have a orgasm without bad consequences.

    What really surprised me, that once I had orgasm while being ill with fever etc, I did not have the bad effects. It fully reminded me the "old" orgasms in the past.

    That reminded me of one person here, who said he had the same, and basically it means, its somehow linked to the immune system - maybe. And that might mean, its really some kind of autoimmune disease - basically a allergic reaction to own semen. I dont have the answers, but it has to be linked to immune system, based on my recent find.

    Its basically POIS, yes.

    I have no idea what to do with it, because its not easy for me to be in celibacy for the rest of my life. In that way, my body feels like a prison, where Im locked with a desires I cant fullfill. It reminds me a drug addiction, u have cravings, abstinency syndrom.. but that goes away. Sex drive doesnt, thus its that feeling of prison.

    Honestly, this is not what I wanted, when I started NoFap. All I wanted was to heal myself up, so I can have a normal sex life. I cant have that at all now....

    Still, I believe everything has a higher reason, and this is my way. I should not orgasm.. it has huge benefits. But its also extremely difficult.
     
  7. Legacy of Lost Soul

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    :/ thank you, and Im sorry u have to go thru this as well. Whats your assesment of the situation? Why do u think it happens, what is it, what should we do, whats your plans...
     
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  8. Redemptionisrequired

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    I'm sorry to hear that man, PMO really messes with the nervous system and clearly affects us all on a different level. And I hope this is a temporary part of your life, I agree it's difficult to be celibate for the rest of ones life. I remember watching a video of POIS on youtube, about a guy who abstained for about 3 or 4 years and then was cured from it. He tested by having sex again and it was fine. Not sure if it will end up being the same situation as you or not, but perhaps that may provide a timeline.

    Apart from that, you mentioned being unsure about psychosomatic source. Try your best to explore your past and emotions, see if anything comes up(I know this isn't a 1 day process either)

    Good luck and keep us posted!
     
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  9. I think it happens bc we forget how much it will devastate us. we try to get too close to the edge. we think we can handle it. In the future, we should try not to go past the 75-80% threshold of excitement.

    this happened in the past, i’ve learned from it since and i think it’s best to stay celibate as long as possible until you really connect w someone. And then you have to make an internal commitment not to ejaculate no matter what if you do have sex

    how committed were you to staying on retention when you busted with those women after several hundred day streaks? Were you really trying to retain and those just accidents, or did you simply let your guard down and think it might not be so bad if you just did it once?
     
  10. ClarityofClearWater

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    I went on for 1 year + with semen retention. What caused me to relapse was watching porn and edging constantly. At one time I was edging, I accidentally released when I wasn't planning to. I came too much to the edge. From there on the train started moving. The chaser effect was powerful and powerful and it didn't let me stay clean for more than 1 month. I started relapsing like every month, then the window got smaller and smaller until I was back relapsing multiple times a day watching all sorts of porn.

    Slowly I felt my focus, clarity and all the other good benefits dwindling away. But in the first time I relapsed. Ofcourse I felt so bad for breaking the streak. But the physical effects started coming after a few times of relapsing. I leasized, in this business, it only takes one domino to take down the whole house.
     
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    After those two 300 days streaks, I was not too commited :/ its a bit more complicated with me. Lately I realized Im a demisexual, which means I can have good sex only with ppl I really like. I cant have one night stands and other BS. But I also connect thru sex. And thru orgasm. So basically, if I want to establish a relationship with someone, I have 2 options. Date em, hope the feelings develop, than have sex. Thats a bit problematic in todays world, because nice girls have 1000s of options, and u have very short window to "lock em up" . Last time I just decided to have orgasm with her on our 1st sex, so I connect with her faster. Its all completely fucked.. I just realized this all very recently. After that, I usually start to perform much better, and thats what I wanted.

    Otherwise, it takes me few days, and that could mean, she is just gone in the meantime.

    Better option for a next time would be developing a deeper connection before the sex. But thats not too realistic these times. Its just a direct way to the friendzone. I think the whole male/female dynamic is completely and utterly screwed by dating apps and expectations of how it should all happen.

    Ps: when I asked "how it halpens?" I also ment, what is the reason we end up devastated after the orgasm? Because thats not a norm I believe. Sex and orgasm should be very nice and rewarding, from a evolution standpoint. If sex was devastating, it would reduce the number of offsprings etc, that would make no sense. So why is it so, in our case?
     
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  12. OccultMonk

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    I agree it feels like falling from heaven hitting the jagged rocks below.

    Working up the nerve to walk this road only to fall off the edge is disheartening and it messes with you if this practice is high on your list of values, when it's thrashed due to foolish actions it does hurt a lot.

    I noticed in myself that the annoyance of little things become greater, foggy mind, slowness, aggression, depression, anhedonia to the max.

    But when I am up, the sun is shining, music sounds better, the bigger picture is all I see, not sweating the details like before, everything is just better when on the straight and narrow.

    It's much better being a good man.
     
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    Got this in my PMs so will post here anonymously:

    "Hey, I read your post about developing POIS after abstaining for a while and I was amazed because the pattern of my POIS symptoms is exactly the same! Next day I feel tired but fine, day 2 I have zero will power and the rest of the week is just bad until I slowly begin to feel normal at around 2 weeks. I'm really trying to salve this problem...even reached out to my doctor. Allegra is supposed to work and I'm trying that right now. Fenugreek and niacin before O also works. I'm also thinking about trying DNRS brain retraining. Have you had any success treating your POIS since your post?"
     
  14. OccultMonk

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    @Legacy of Lost Soul have you seen a difference with diet and exercise paired with SR for energy levels and clear mind?
     
  15. Mega Man

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    Hey Guys, My POIS symptoms follow the exact same pattern as the OP. I've always just pushed through or taken a spiritual approach like semen retention but this created issues with my pelvic floor. I've recovered from the pelvic floor pain but I'm not messing around with abstaining for long periods or energy practices. I have to face that it is not normal to feel brain fog or depression after an orgasm. This is a medical condition and should be treated as such. Here are a couple of recent studies on POIS from a medical perspective. One case was successfully treated with Allegra. I spoke with my doctor about this and he encouraged me to try it and so far it's been successful. I've also tried fenugreek, garlic, and niacin before O (not all at once) and achieved some success with each but so far Allegra has been the best. I've also been speaking with a therapist about this and we are trying to get at the root cause of this issue from a mental/emotional perspective. This actually helps a lot when it comes to taking action and getting clear on what you're experiencing. POIS may occur in different people for different reasons but I do often see a link with porn use, sex addiction, etc. Again this may be an effect more than a root cause but let this problem be a journey into mental and physical well-being for you. I would also encourage you to view this as a medical condition. I think many of the energy practices and semen retention mindset I practiced made things worst. The optimal time for most men is 7-21 days. Abstain longer for a time if you have to but always be searching for the root cause and treating it.
     

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