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I Did Something Last Year That is Tearing Me Apart

Discussion in 'Compulsive Sexual Behavior' started by Kowalksi, Jun 30, 2018.

  1. Kowalksi

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    I'm new here so first off let me start by saying hi and apologies for the length of my first post, but I am really struggling and would greatly appreciate it if you could all read it and offer some advice. I have suffered from porn and masturbation addiction for years now. In terms of my porn use, I have been watching it non stop since I was about 13, I finally reached that 'Okay I'm bored by this regular vanilla stuff now, I need something stronger', stage when I was about 16 and started watching transsexual and on some occasions gay porn, because it was so taboo and different. Thought I'd should let you guys know that in case it's anyway related to what I did. I don't even know if this is the right place to put this thread, if it's not then I'll ask a mod to place it in a more suitable category.

    Okay here it goes...

    I suffer from POCD (pedophile ocd), HOCD (harm, not homosexual. Although I did suffer from that years ago) and real event OCD (you feel extreme guilt for things that you have done, no matter how trivial they may seem). I overthink, analyze and obsess over practically everything. The smallest things can make me feel extreme guilt and shame, however there is something that I did last year that is tearing me apart inside and I just don't know how I can go on living knowing that I have done this.

    Last year, round about Autumn time, I'd hazard a guess and say late October or early November, I don't know for certain. I went onto my old high school's website (I'm 23 and left school in 2010 when I was 15) to look at the gallery that frequently gets updated, I go on occasionally just for curiosity's sake and also to see if there are any pictures of the two hot teachers that taught me. While looking through I came across an album that was titled 'Senior Xmas Dance' and clicked on, I looked through and it was pictures of boys and girls in suits and dresses. I don't know if it's because of my POCD or just my OCD in general, but I have a lot of doubt as to why I was on there in the first place. I'm pretty sure I was masturbating to porn beforehand, but like any porn and masturbation addict, I didn't want to rush and wanted to take my time. Maybe I wanted to see a picture of one of the teachers, I can't remember.

    However, I ended up masturbating to one or two of the pictures of the high school students, one picture in particular I know I definitely looked at, but I can't remember if I looked at any others. I didn't ejaculate, I 'looked' at the picture for a short while but then clicked off cause it just wasn't doing anything for me. The thing that's really upsetting me is that I have recently found out that the students were all 4th, 5th and 6th years. In Scotland that means they would all have been between the ages of 14 and 17 (18 is also a possibility but unlikely). Now in the UK the age of consent is 16, so if the girls in the picture were 16+ then it's not too bad, but what if they were underage? And even if they were 16+, how can I be sure that I didn't masturbate to other pictures of potentially younger students? Why did I think this was okay when I did it? Because I didn't feel any guilt or shame back then and yet now it seems like hands down the worst thing in the world and I just feel an incredible amount of shame for having done it in the first place. Did I not know that they might have been underage, did I see 'Senior' and just assume that they were all over the age of 16 or am I secretly a pedophile? Or did I know they might have been underage and just not see the harm in it?

    I am really sorry for the length of this post but I had to get it all off my chest, it's really upsetting me and causing a lot of distress. How can I honestly go on living knowing I have done this? What would happen to me if people ever found this out? My family and friends? I feel like I should just kill myself because I don't know how I will ever get over this. I've been crying non stop lately because of it :(

    Please help me someone!
     
  2. AtomicTango

    AtomicTango Fapstronaut

    I'm not trying to say what you did wasn't wrong, it was, but if the girls were around the age of 16, that isn't paedophilia, as that term only applies to being attracted to girls who are prepubescent. If you had told us that you were masturbating to clearly under-aged girls, then I would call you a sick bastard and you would be right to feel ashamed. BUT, considering what you have said, it does seem like more of a grey area that I'm struggling to find an answer to. On one hand, you going on the site at all is a bit suspect, I'm not trying to condone the use of porn but surely it would have made more sense to just look at that? On the other hand though, you are clearly not attracted to the images you looked at, and feeling bad about it is perhaps a good thing, its a sign that you know that you were wrong to do it and wont ever do it again. I think the only way to get over it is to tell someone, be it a therapist, a priest in confession, or if you are willing to risk the consequences, a friend or family member. You've taken a good first step in posting here, now its up to you to make it right.
     
  3. Kowalksi

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    Hey AtomicTango thanks for your reply. Like I said I would go onto the site just to see if I could get a glimpse of the two hot teachers that were (and I think still are) at the school, that was it. Although my OCD is now telling me that I was going to see pictures of kids :( I know this probably is quite a grey area for you and maybe a lot of people on here, to be honest I don't know what kind of response I will get and that scares me. I don't know what your 'process' is/was when you looked/look at porn but I often look at several different videos and sometimes pictures, I don't tend to just pull up a video and finish in a few minutes, it's usually a lengthy process. If I remember correctly I had several porn videos in different tabs as well and I've maybe seen that picture(s) and just went for it, but I honestly don't know what I was thinking when I did it and that scares me as well. Why did I think it was okay to do that in the first place? Even if I didn't ejaculate, why did I do that? I'm pretty sure this is real event OCD, feeling extreme guilt and shame over a past mistake, but I don't know for certain.

    I have my first CBT (cognitive behavioral therapy) session in a few days so I'll speak to my therapist about it and hopefully overcome it. Thank you for replying.
     
  4. AtomicTango

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    When I watch porn, thats what I do as well, cycling between lots of different tabs until I settle on something I like. If you truly were trying to look at the hot teachers, then honestly theres no reason be ashamed of that, but if that isn't the case then its better to openly admit it rather than hide from it. Considering you cant have known that the thing you looked at would even be on the site when you checked, I'd be tempted to say it was the former.
     
  5. Kowalksi

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    I went on with the intention of seeing the teachers, not even to masturbate to them, just to see if I could get a look at them and see what they look like now. My OCD causes me to doubt all these things though, it tells me 'Yeah yeah yeah, we all know that you went on there to see pictures of teenage girls'. And that's when I become depressed and suicidal. I was reading through other topics on this forum about guys who have watched child porn and I feel that I am just as bad as them. Am I as bad as them? I feel that I need to be punished for having done this, even though I didn't know what age they were, my memory is hazy on it but I'm pretty sure I read 'Senior Xmas Dance' and just assumed that they would all be 16 or 17 and yeah that's still fucking weird cause at the end of the day it's high school students but it's still better than 14/15 year olds. I can't believe I've done this :(
     
  6. AtomicTango

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    Well considering you haven't looked at child porn, no, you arent as bad as those people, so lets rule that out to start with. If it is the OCD causing the doubt, then you know deep down that its the illness making you think these things, so again we can discount worrying about that. I dont know how OCD works but is there not medication to make it less controlling? Punishing yourself over this wont accomplish anything, so please, try to stay calm and rational.
     
  7. Kowalksi

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    Well I've had OCD for a while now, it started initially with homosexual OCD which was probably started because I watched transsexual and gay porn and started questioning my sexuality. Then I ended up getting intrusive thoughts were I would imagine myself doing violent and sometimes sexual things with family members and stuff of that ilk. It was really tough but I eventually accepted that it was just thoughts and that your thoughts do not define who you are. Late December last year I had an intrusive thought involving a child and the anxiety hit me like a ton of bricks and that's been me ever since. But every time I get over one obsession another one pops up. Real event OCD has caused me to feel extreme guilt and shame over all sorts of stuff, small things and big things. Other people would be able to forgive themselves for having done this, shit I imagine there's guys out there who have done worse and forgiven themselves, maybe there are guys who masturbated to the Stanley Kubrick film Lolita, but didn't realise the actress was only 14 at the time of filming and they can probably say, 'Oh shit I didn't realise! Oh well, live and learn. I wonder what I should have for dinner tonight.' I suppose the only thing I have on my side is that I didn't realise the potential age of the girls in the picture, although I still don't know what age they were to be fair, they might have been 16/17. The problem is that I can't remember the exact picture I looked at, there's one that sticks out more than most, so I don't know.

    All I can say is thank you so much for replying to my message and not being judgemental. There are medications that help with OCD yes and I will speak to my therapist about them when I see him in a few days time.
     
  8. AtomicTango

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    It seems to me that you are seriously struggling with a complex mental illness, and am not just being overly dramatic like I see so many people on here be. With that in mind I would make every effort to overcome it first, which I'm pretty sure is possible, then take a new look at this issue with a more rational mind. It wouldnt hurt to stop watching porn and masturbating as much too.
     
  9. Kowalksi

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    No your right I definitely am. People don't realise that OCD is more than just someone having to make sure their house is exceptionally tidy, that's one very small part of it. There are people who suffer from all types of obsessions and unfortunately I have been given a whole barrel load of horrific ones, they are all horrible of course but POCD in particular is arguably the most disturbing type of OCD that you can get. I know that I am probably gonna keep feeling a deep sense of shame and guilt over this and it doesn't matter how I try and rationalize it, 'You didn't know their ages, you didn't cum, you stroked a few times, didn't find it enjoyable and moved on to watch porn instead, forgive yourself and get on with your life', it doesn't matter how many times I do it. I will get the odd moment of clarity were I will realise that it was just a stupid mistake, probably brought on from years of masturbating and porn addiction and in a moment of madness it was just something to do. But then there are moments of real darkness were suicide seems like my only option.

    What's kind of funny as well is that I'm not really into young girls. When I say that I mean of legal consensual age of course. I typically like women in their 20's and have a particular fondness for women in their 30's and 40's.
     
  10. Kowalksi

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    Do you think my porn and masturbation addiction is involved in this in anyway? I don't know, like clouding my judgement or something?
     
  11. AtomicTango

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    Believe me, I get it, I really really do. I dont suffer from OCD but I do suffer with anxiety and depression that I cant get officially recognised because I flip in and out of it so quickly that noone IRL takes me seriously when I talk about it. I had a particularly bad day yesterday and felt almost suicidal, there is a real darkness in my heart too that I struggle with, you arent alone.

    Yes, it definitely is, consuming too much porn desensitises the brain to regular sexual interaction and pushes you to find more and more weird stuff to become aroused by, leading to a normal straight male like yourself watching porn that doesnt even fit your sexuality. I'm not trying to condone watching a lot of any type of porn, as its all damaging in its own way, but if you weren't addicted and consuming so much, you would be content just to masturbate to one vanilla video a session and be done with it. Swapping between lots of tabs and cycling between genres is a direct result of the addiction, its also why it never seems like what you do is enough, as you always want more.
     
  12. MasterRoshi

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    Thanks do muc for the detailed post!
    You’re not alone! I have done what you described, but more often and even worse over the last 12 years. Is it wrong? Yes! We must recognize the wrongness in order to start recovering from our addiction.

    Does it make you a bad personality or eternally sick? No! There’s hope for you!

    I was actually just dealing with my guilt about it and OCD thinking the past two weeks with my therapist and finally on Friday was able to let go of the OCD thinking around it. This is the first time in 12 years (I’m 32yo) that I’ve had any relief from these POCD thought feedback loops.

    On a side note, in California the legal age is 18, so I have felt the intense POCD shame and guilt from looking at and MO to 16yo which, might give you some temporary relief knowing that the thoughts and worries are subjective and don’t have to be there.

    Here’s a link to my most recent post about this topic.

    https://www.nofap.com/forum/index.p...ink-it-defines-who-you-are-it-may-not.180725/

    Please please please! Reach out to me with a PM if you want to chat more about overcoming this and general PMO recover. I have 90+ days sober from all PMO and have been suicidal over the past 90 days at times due to my shame and OCD thinking surrounding my PMO use. I do a lot of work on myself daily to overcome this. I’m finally feeling some relief (I hope it lasts!) and I’m not slowing down on my recovery so far. Urges to watch porn are nearly non existent, the mental lust and fantasy is subsiding, and my kinky taboo boundaries are becoming more natural and vanilla.
     
  13. Kowalksi

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    Thank you for yet another excellent reply AtomicTango. Yeah anxiety and depression are horrible things. I'm struggling with this again today unfortunately. It was the first thing that popped into my head when I woke up this morning and straight away I started to get anxiety because of it.

    Hey Pharaoh! I'll send you a PM just now, thanks for your post, good to know I am not alone!
     
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  14. AtomicTango

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    If you ever want to talk you can message me as well, I cant guarantee I will be on the forums at the time but I do tend to check it at least once a day.
     
  15. Kowalksi

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    Thank you so much! Really appreciate it!
     
  16. Kowalksi

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    Sorry, just wanted to boost this thread. Would really appreciate getting as much input and advice from as many forum members as possible.

    Thanks guys
     
  17. I'll go a little further: By the definition given, merely looking at girls who are developed, whatever their age, does not make you a pedophile - because if they are developed. they no longer look pre-pubescent. (Well, except if they are pornographic pictures of girls less than 17 or 18 (the law may vary where you are) - those are illegal to make and to possess. But that is not what OP is talking about.)

    As long as you are just looking at them or their pictures, it's about whether they are developed or not. (We all have known girls who were very developed at 13 or 14! I remember their names, faces and figures 50 years later!)

    So I think the OP's (P)OCD is having a field day with this, but it's not that serious.

    One issue is that if you have OCD, it's made worse by anxiety, and doing NoFap will initially raise anxiety. When these thugts occur, you must not give them importance - much easier said than done.

    YBOP has an article on this for HOCD, which may be useful: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/exposure-therapy-hocd

    If you're looking sexually at girls that look like little girls, that's different, and you do have to stop all of that right away.
     
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  18. MasterRoshi

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    THanks for the details @Immature

    Since this is such a sensitive subject I’ll also add that real pedophilia is fairly rare. With Internet porn many people can end up down a path and look at things they didn’t want to, and with your dick in your hand cause the association over time by combining porn of a certain genre with orgasm.

    As mentioned it’s 100% wrong and the PMO acting out needs to stop ASAP! Seeking therapy is definitely a good idea I think. once the PMO stops, there is some hope that the thinking can start to normalize over time in sobriety.

    But once again your brain can’t heal unless you change the habits of PMO.
     
  19. AtomicTango

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    Its far too easy to find porn you weren't even searching for due to how the search engines on these kinds of sites work. A classic example of this happened to me a few years back. This was back before the addiction got really bad, I was browsing a certain sex position and found a thumbnail that looked good, so I clicked on it and started watching. The video started off pretty normal, just a man and a woman having sex, nothing fancy at all. Then after about 5 minutes the camera perspective changed and it turned out "she" had a dick. I was all like

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    and clicked off in shock, quickly finding something else. At the time I remember being so repulsed by this but yet years later I would regularly watch that kind of content like it was no big deal. Its like smoking a cigarette, the first time is unpleasant, but then as you do it more it becomes more tolerable and then even enjoyable (I'm going off of what I've been told, I dont actually smoke). Its easy to feel like we are directly and entirely at fault for stuff like this but yet I know I'm not the only person this kind of thing has happened to because I've outright asked people before, which leads me to believe that the sites are set up deliberately to entice people into new and taboo genres they otherwise wouldn't watch or might not even know exist.
     
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  20. MasterRoshi

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    Totally true! About 10 years ago there were lots of thimbnail image pages before streaming video sites were popular. And I remember being on a certain category, fairly vanilla, and right in the middle of all the pics was one that was a transgendered person. First time I didn’t click and didn’t want to. I remember being curious but not really turned on at all. but the third or 4th time I saw an image like that, I clicked it.

    Fast forward 10 years, I regularly looked at transsexual porn, and fantasized about having sex and was chatting online with someone local who was transsexual...a few moths befor I got sober...

    Some fetishes are stronger than others, but If I look back at the progression it’s pretty clear that these are born out of accidental exposure, not by me inherently being attracted to it
     

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