There are no right or wrong answers here. Everyone here has their own goals for different reasons. If you've read the YBOP book, the goal is to undo the damage that years of high speed pornography has done to our brains, not eliminate masturbation entirely (although that can be a goal)... to achieve orgasm without artificial visual stimuli flooding all our sensors with dopamine reward. I'm an advocate against masturbation for religious reasons, but I'm not going to deny the health benefits from the occasional MO ... without porn, that is. If you can have healthy, normal MO without any artificial visual stimuli, that is a lot healthier than doing so while watching P. The problem is mostly P due to the immense access to so much P in such a short period of time that high speed internet provides. Our brains are maxed out. This leads to porn-related ED ... meaning one absolutely NEEDS P to get off. They can't even MO without P at all. So if you're abstaining from P for an extended period of time ... and you can MO without P successfully, you are on the right road to recovery. Having said all that, the health benefits of sex over self-pleasure are orders of magnitude higher. There are distinct biological processes happening in the body when you have sex as opposed to masturbation. I think when we all start out, we should be avoiding P with an iron fist, but for those that want to occasionally MO without P, I don't really see the harm in that if that's their goal. Everything in moderation. It's when we overdo something, it can become an issue. However, P is bad no matter how often or how little you watch it. There have been studies showing that even after abstaining from all forms of PMO for months, just one session of P undid all their progress. So the problem of porn on our neuroplastic brain cannot be understated. It's a real issue ... and we don't begin to see just how severe it is until we stop trying to watch it. I'm starting to ramble. My point is ... we're here to support each other ... not attack each other. We all have our own unique goals and motives. And although we might all be here for different reasons, we're all here to support each other. If your goal is no PMO or no P only, we should respect each other's goals and not lash out. Porn addiction ... and abstaining from porn ... is a very new movement that is garnering more research as time goes on ... so there isn't any definite answer to it all because we're all still learning about it. So let's be patient with each other.