I have discovered the biggest reasons for premature ejaculation (and super simple fix)

5 minutes is indeed very good. But the truth is most guys don't do those things I mentioned well even if they claim to be. When you have a high serotine level in your brain, you can last really long. Some men with high serotine even complained they can't come at all! Don't forget to excercise regularly, sleep minimum 8 hours per day, keep a positive mindset and eat foods like pumpkin seeds, bananas, oats and heavy fats. Never look at porn and keep masturbation to a minimum. You will definitely see huge improvement within a few months. But some guys have a unrealistic idea on how long a normal person should last. In porn videos those guys are using tablets before sex to last so long and they are risky to take in the long term.

 

Alright who here wants to visit China town with me to have some bat soup?

 

IDK guys why for some of you it is hard to find the right PC muscle. It's a muscle that lifts your dick a little while also slightly moving your butt muscles just above your anus. In contrast, BC is a muscle that is between your balls and anus.

Anyway, I want to say that properly trained muscles help, but they aren't everything. There are two other very important factors - emotional excitement and dick sensitivity. Sprays work because they make your dick less sensitive, think about it. And while watching a lot of porn could cause PE, but there are many guys who, on the contrary, can't cum at all and, instead, can last for hours - all because of porn and masturbation. In which group you'll be, depends on the way you masturbate. If you used the so-called "death grip" and masturbated dry then you are likely to be in the second group, the ones who have "anti-PE". Because masturbating like this makes your dick less sensitive. If your grip was weak or you used toys that aren't tight enough then you'll have PE. The length of your sessions doesn't matter much - I always fapped for at least a half-hour, but couldn't last for long when having actual sex. My fap sessions were long, but they weren't intense, they were slow and the stimulation was gentle. I think that the things some of you mention like serotonin and the psychological influence of porn are bullshit. Sensitivity and your PC/BC muscles are the main factors. You can't cure your PE without practice.

Another thing I want to mention is emotional excitement. It is something that you CAN control to some extent - you can decrease the level of your excitement while having sex, it will take you further from ejaculation, but if you overdo it you'll get soft as a result.

Sometimes the problem is your inability to get a proper erection without flexing BC muscle. My shortest sex session was with a somehow overweight girl, I wasn't into her at all and so to make my dick erect I used my BC muscle a lot. I came in less than a minute, she probably was flattered thinking how hot and sexy she is, lol.

 

Does the contraction of the muscle arround the anus (which I pressume is called the PC) should stop peeing alone?

 

I found an interesting study.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17367444/

Basically, in 65% of cases of secondary (it means acquired, not lifetime) premature ejaculation, the problem is chronic bacterial prostatitis (this is a comparably rare condition, its frequency is only 5-10% of all prostatitis cases). So if you suddenly found that you can't last as long as you did in the past, then this could be your problem.
There are some other studies like this if you look into it.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16409229/
So, before starting any kind of exercises, first visit an urologist and check your prostate.

 

I found this topic yesterday and it made me sign up because I discovered I basically overused the BC muscle, madly. When I read that you could stop your pee midstream not using your BC, I immediately popped a bottle of water to make me go to the toilet and see how this PC muscle could stop the flow. And it worked, the first time! I'm so amazed, and I don't know why I never knew this. I guess it must be the PMO I did since my teens and I simply never really had a reason to do it another way.

Until yesterday, because like many of you who are here, I also suffer from a combination of ED and PE. It's so bad that the moment I get hard, a force takes over that makes me ejaculate almost immediately after. I cannot become hard or stay hard without ejaculating soon afterwards. And I wanted to fix that, once and for all, especially after some sexual encounters that were kind of depressing for me and the girl.

So since yesterday, I became aware that I put tension on the BC muscle unconsciously a lot of times. Forcing it to relax (ironically) made me discover another thing: That I almost always have some tension in my abdominal area. Focusing on relaxing the BC muscle also made me relax the abdominal area, making my breathing rhythm a lot better, ultimately making myself more relaxed. By a lot.

I also noticed that a lot of people just don't know the difference between BC and PC, so let me try and explain. Your BC is located at the perineum. So, between your testicles and anus. Google it to be sure (NSFW). Consider sitting down on the toilet to pee and put your fingers right between your anus and testicles. Then contract the muscle that you use when ejaculating, which also holds the pee if you use it. This is the BC muscle. You can feel the contraction with your fingers.

Holding in a fart means really trying not to open up your butthole. This clenching uses a muscle that is right below your tailbone, and just above your anus. The trick is (and I think this was mentioned before in this topic) to keep your fingers between your anus and your testicles to keep track of the tension of the BC muscle. Now let your pee flow and when it goes, try to hold in a fart, WITHOUT using your BC muscle. So keep feeling that muscle with your fingers and recognize whether it gets tension. It should not. If it does, you know you've got some work to do, figuring out how to use those 2 muscles separately.

If you manage to stop the flow midstream, using your PC and thus not feeling tension on your BC, you know you've got the right muscle.

Now I have not yet experienced holding in an orgasm with this PC muscle, because I'm in a hard mode reset for about 2 weeks now. But I'm curious to know the experiences from other people here.

 

I honestly think it doesnt need to be so complicated. Tension in the pelvic floor region is a major factor for PE. Consciously relax the pelvic floor region as a whole without worrying about specific muscles, I honestly don't think it matters.

 

Haha no, nowhere near that. I think going that long without some kind of sexual activity would be absolutely catastrophic for sexual health. I observed on my longest actual streaks that my ED and PE got much, much worse. I suppose I'm a nofap skeptic, I dont believe abstinence leads to better sexual health, quite the opposite, I think it harms it. The "use it or lose it" thing applies to every muscle, every organ, every process and it also applies to sexual health, that is what I have learned and that is now my approach.

 

Question -

1) Do your balls shrivel up when you're squeezing your PC muscle?

2) How often are you supposed to practice your RK for BC?

3) So i'm assuming when you're at the point of ejaculation you should squeeze your PC muscle? When you're edging you should learn to relax your BC muscle as best as you can?

 

Can we sum-up which muscles do what?

Kegels - better erection and ejaculation?
Reverse-Kegels - better ejaculation and erection?
IC / PC muscle - pretending from PE?

 

Here you go, very good tutorial how to find PC muscle and make the correct exercise:

 

Hello everyone. Today i bring you the answers after my very indepth time consuming research...
Hold on tight...

So I suffer from PE my entire life. Pretty much since i was 15 a lot of porn and dopamine increasing related activities. 1st sex when i was 20. realised thst time that something is wrong but i have just put it down to not enough sex practice. i am 30 now and i still suffer from PE altough i had a lot of sex recently.
Yes relaxing BC muscle helps last slightly longer
Yes erectile dysfunctions increase PE
But... thats not the issue here which i figured out on my case.

In my research i found out that PE can be due to 3 things:
-erectile dysfunction
-tight pelvic floor (mostly BC)
-hormonal imbalances (serotonin / dopamine systems)

Not waiting long i started tests
I spoke to my doctor and got done blood tests for erectile dysfunction.
Everything was within range but...
It is proven in studies that people with PE have:
-lower TSH levels
-lower prolactin levels
-higher FSH levels
-lower LH level (independent risk factor for PE)

My results were as follows
Tsh = 0.95 ( range 0.35 - 5.5)
Prolactin 185 (45 - 375)
Fsh 5.2 (1 - 18)
LH 3.5 (2.0 - 9.0)

So there are significant hormones on lo side of spectrum ? Cause of PE.

In my research i have targetted ED first. I have started 5mg tadalafil daily for ED. It improved my erections in terms of size and also how long they last so I have some mild ED. Didnt change much in termsnof PE. I was lasting slightly longer but difference in my opinion was non existan as from 30sec lasting around minute is not much of a cure for PE. So i went to next step...

Stopped tadalafil and got tamsulosin 400Mcg daily slow release. Its a medication that is used for bladder issues like enlarged prostate. Relax pelvic floor. Funny enough that it gave me similar effects as tadalafil, increaed easines of my erections and helped me last a bit longer but not significantly. Same like before around 1 minute. So i went to third step...

I have asked my doctor for antidepressants. But not just any. I knew exactly what i wanna try and why... dopamine and serotonin are essential neurotransmitters.
Dopamine promotes seminal emission and counterbalance serotonin levels. High serotonin = lower dopamine and vice versa.
Serotonin (5ht) binds to the receptors.
studies on rats shows that: stimulation of 5-ht1a receptors in rats results in shortening ejaculatory time.
Stimulation of 5-ht2c receptors in rats results in delaying ejaculatory time.
It is postulated then that PE is due to hypersensitivity of 5ht1a or hyposensitivity of 5ht2c receptors towards serotonin binding.
I have used paroxetine 20mg daily (SSRI drug) for 2 days. On second day on paroxetine i had sex. I have lasted 12 minutes!!! without even bothering about relaxing anything.
Paroxetine works as agonist (binds) to the 5ht1a and 5ht2c and improves number of serotonin binding to these receptors. i guess my results were due to serotonin stimulating 5ht2c and slight reduction of hypersensitivity of 5ht1a due to massive ammount of serotonin binding to it (desensitization of receptors).
I have stopped taking it now cos it caused me insomnia and other side effects.

More studies shows that small ammounts of serotonin chronically increase sensitivity of 5ht1a = PE
Studies shows that 5ht2c is related to circadian rhytm (day / night body clock) and also to the sex drive and apetite and stress.
Studies shows that either using agonist or antagonist on 5ht2c receptors does not entirely mean that it will be desensitized or sensitized.
Studies showed that alfa males in monkeys had twice as much serotonin levels as other males. Tendency remained same as nomal monkey became alfa male - increase in serotonin.

Summarizing everything.
Key to normality and riddance of PE is in serotonin levels.
Exposing yourself to sunlight / waking up early, going to bed when dark, excercise, social interaction, feeling happy in general improves serotonin levels. Higher serotonin levels will stimulate receptors 5ht2c and also reduce dopamine and will improve ejaculatory times.
If you want to go one step further like me i will tell you what my plan is.
The short way of desensitizing 5ht1a and sensitizing 5ht2c is fluoxetine as its agonist of 5ht1a and antagonist of 5ht2c. 2 weeks on that crap and then reduce dose (careful - read about serotonin syndrome / sudden withdrawal).
And it is proven in studies to work like i explained. But... if you dont produce enough serotonin cos of your lifetyle + diet + mindset after you sort out receptors... they will come back to original state eventually and PE will return.
Now my plan is bit different
I wanna do it naturally.
It is proven in studies that CBD oil desensitize 5ht1a as its partial agonist of that receptor. So im gonna be using that for 3 months.
If it comes to 5ht2c it is stimulated when you eat or have sex. so im going to reduce meals in ammount and to twice a day and do intermittent fasting diet when i do not eat at all for period of time. stress and also dehydration helps to sensitize 5ht2c so give yourself some of that aswell but dont go overboard.
I will keep you updated but I know i will succeed. And you will too. All the best

 

very interesting mate, hope u fix ur PE, but take care with any medicines ..

 

So ure saying you have cured yourself now after using it for how long? And you stopped using sprays and you last how long comparing to before? Cos it seems that as soon as you stop using it - it wont change anything, otherwise they would observe that in this study from your link.
besides...
in the link you put about spray it says:
"Although numerous preclinical and clinical studies in recent years have been able to provide a better understanding of the ejaculatory process, many details remain unknown regarding the exact physiology of the ejaculatory process. At present, it is commonly accepted that PE is the result of a dysregulation of the normal ejaculatory process with either over-activation of ejaculation stimulatory or inhibition of ejaculation delaying 5-HT (serotonin) receptors, leading to an involuntary lack of control over ejaculation (17). Clearly, a more in-depth understanding of the normal physiological ejaculatory reflex (Fig. 2) is essential in order to determine the exact underlying pathophysiology of PE."

 

delay sprays isnt a cure, it doesnt fix the issue itself that ur body has

(not saying the effects wont help with PE, i believe u)

 

Crow90 I saw your excellent post on the subject congrats on taking a factual scientific approach instead of the usual NF broscience BS.
Well, im not cured, im not sure i ever will be, but the spray seemed to help, in combination with SSRIs. Like you I tried paroxetine but that didn't seem to help, currently taking 20mg citalopram (i need anti depression medication anyway so thats no big deal) but im not convinced that is helping. I also have some dapoxetine, I need to do more tests with this.
You say yes but what happens when you stop using it...if something appears to help why on earth would you stop using it?
Cheers!