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I Procrastinate. And I Need to Deal With It.

Discussion in 'Self Improvement' started by BushidoWarrior, Sep 20, 2015.

  1. BushidoWarrior

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    Hi,

    I'm a 25 year old male who struggles with procrastination. Chronically.

    For example, I sat in bed for the past two hours watching Youtube videos this morning.

    I want to be able to study all day, but I usually only manage to get like 1-1.5 hours done. I'm always leaving everything to the last minute.

    Why? Because I'm an avoider. I just don't like the stress of confronting reality. I don't like the self-loathing that comes with eventually starting tasks that I should have started two weeks ago. I don't like the fact that I have team-mates relying on me to hand stuff in and I don't hand it in. I don't like the fact that I have to fake an illness to get medical certificates so I don't lose marks for assignments (when I can even be bothered to do that). Studying fills my head with all these horrible negative thoughts that I simply don't want to have.

    I just want to enjoy myself all the time. I want to have fun all the time. Slogging it out makes me tired and want to go to sleep. Escaping from reality is so much easier.

    The reason I'm posting this is to find others who resonate with my story and share similar struggles. An accountability/support group would be tremendously useful.

    Thanks for reading.
     
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  2. 240F

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    Are you dealing with perfectionism?

    I'm havin the same. I was avoiding meeting with my friends when I was 8-12 due to social anxiety and other personal and life difficulties and at that time my computer and porn addiction began to rise. I almost had cut them off(I was playing video games for whole day - 16 hours a day at age of 11, damn. Now i'm just surfin internet and reading about pua, self-improvement, and my computer usage is almost zero, when i'm workin.

    Use small steps, journal and intemize stuff.
     
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  3. BushidoWarrior

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    I don't think it's perfectionism. The link between perfectionism and procrastination is not as well estáblished as people think; in fact, perfectionists tend to over-perform. I think it's my impulsiveness, my frustration with neutral stimuli, and my tendency to worry and fret about stuff when I am trying to do work.
     
  4. 240F

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    Yeah, most people who procrastinate tend to be impulsive.

    I'd recomend you studying in neutral place without any distractions. Try meditating. Observe the shit you're doing and cut senseless activities - easy to say, hard to do, but good luck. Turnoff the phone, don't check the mail/fb/insta every hour, if there's nothing new or important. :)
     
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  5. BushidoWarrior

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    Yeah, I do a lot of that stuff. I find new and ingenious ways to distract myself. For example, right now I am reading an article on selective breeding of chickens, and my brain is going "You don't really need to be reading this; you should study Spanish; go for a morning walk; your wasting your time doing this; there's nothing in this article, etc." And then I get frustrated with myself because I can't concentrate, and I do genuinely start worrying that I am wasting my time by reading the wrong articles, then I start hating myself because I am letting my team-mates down by designing my presentation late, etc.
     
  6. BushidoWarrior

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    Then, when I actually start getting In The Zone a little bit, enjoying what I am reading, my Scumbag Brain basically shouts "STOP! Your not supposed to have fun while you are studying! You are supposed to be miserable!"

    I can't win :(
     
  7. BushidoWarrior

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    Great. Now I've received an email from my course co-ordinator telling me that my team has kicked me out. And the worse part is that I know it is all my stupid fault for procrastinating so hard. #FML.
     
  8. nfprogress

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    What may be happening for you is that once something becomes an obligation or a requirement you no longer have any passion, drive or interest in doing it. Make it compulsory and there goes whatever motivation you might have had to start with. If you were given the subject matter to study of your own volition and because it is a class you are deeply interested in, I wonder if you might behave differently? I know I sure do and I look forward to a day of learning. Also don't forget to plan and picture where you are going in life and see how this class fits into your overall life goals. What you may learn from this class may be distinct from what is on the syllabus.

    In my mind, schedules and deadlines don't really motivate me and instead create sub-par work or rush jobs. So to get around that I just keep a case list of things that I need to do. I would sign up for a reasonable or even a light class workload and look at when everything is due ahead of time. Most teachers and classes actually give students plenty of time to complete their work. It might help you to study the concept of spaced repetition and also do some soul searching on what motivates you in life. Another trick is that you may not have good study habits but are deluding yourself into thinking you do. If you constantly have tons of negative emotions about studying, I'd say you are probably going about it all wrong. Learning and enriching your life should be an interesting and fun thing you do.

    By learning about how to learn, you can rewrite your mental wiring much the same way as you do when you reboot here. The topic is effective thinking and it is simply not taught to most students in school. You may need to go out of your way and solve the problem of procrastination and study habits before you move forward.

    Also make sure that your class work is challenging enough for you. If it is not, you can always extend the material significantly. Doing that can often get you an easy A in a class when the teacher sees you go the extra mile. Also setting a goals that are well beyond the minimum syllabus requirements makes it more likely that you will at least get through the syllabus. It is a mental trick that works.
     
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  9. BushidoWarrior

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    Agreed. I've had trouble getting into the habit of deadlines and schedules.
    I use Anki. But I'm trying to only use it after I've already understood the Big Picture of what I'm attempting to learn. I've failed courses in the past because I've tried to memorize every last detail with Anki (and find out that there is simply not enough time in the day to do that).
    I need to do this, but I admit that the thought scares me a little bit.
    I definitely don't have good study habits. I know, in theory, what they are, but I don't put them into practice. For one thing I can never settle on what study methods I am going to actually use. Should I take notes with Evernote? Word? Pencil and paper? Should I watch 10 mins of the lecture then pretend I have to explain that ten mins to a group of people? Should I use Cornell Notes or Mind Mapping? What should I highlight and what should I leave out? Should I entirely rewrite the sections of what I'm reading, or is it okay to copy them down verbatim? I'm so fucking frustrated because I have spent so damn long at uni, and I still feel like my ability to study is as good as it was on day one.
    I agree. It's this pressure to perform, to memorize everything, to learn as a means of getting good marks, which seems to suck the joy out of it (for me at least). A lot of what I have to learn is wonkish and content-heavy. And there is always a lot of pressure in biology to memorize, memorize, memorize.
     
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    Thanks for the reply. It is great to see that you have solid knowledge of the many tools that are out there. Anki may very well be a decent implementation of spaced repetition. I looked at it for language learning alongside supermemo a couple of years ago. I tend to create my own algorithm (really more heuristics) for most projects since it gives me pure flexibility. I was lucky in that my first college subject was physics and we were taught early on how to learn with little to no memorization. It made everything more interesting knowing we only had to know a few tricky equations for each exam. The rest we would have the confidence to solve on the spot (it didn't always go down like that but that is the idea anyway).

    I can recommend two very simple books that have helped me along the way. One is called Brain Rules:12 Principles for surviving and thriving at work, home and school. What I like about this book is that the author is very careful not to include information on learning that is not strongly backed by science. In short, I trust the info in it. Another book that I liked was called 'Five Methods of Effective Thinking' written by a couple of mathematicians. Together with a few well chosen books on creativity, I was able to piece together a learning model that worked for me on first principles. Biology is a tough nut to crack due to the memorization. I think the 12 brain rules will provide you with relevant ideas there. Specifically interleaving practice may help there along with using many different learning modalities. Elaboration and tieing it to existing knowledge structures (chunks) already in your memory will help to give the terms some meaning beyond rote memorization (this is one place where creativity theory helps).

    Whatever you do, I can say that you need to be able to verify before the exam that what you do worked. It doesn't need to be the most efficient technique but you do need a method so that you can tell when you have mastered something. Going into an exam not knowing whether you know the material is scary. It may seem like too much work to teach it to someone, but do what you need to do to get there.

    I would also consider posting this type of question on intjforum or one of the intpforums. Even if you are not a believer in MBTI, I think you can find some people on those forums that you can relate to (there are many students and they are mostly highly analytical).
     
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    Yeah I've read some of this book. One of the key ideas I learned from his work was pairing concepts with other concepts related to survival and reproduction.

    What's MTBI?
     
  12. BushidoWarrior

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    I think my erraticism and lack of a consistent method is a huge obstacle for me. For example, right now I am (supposed to be) reading an article on pedigree breeding for chickens. I'm not taking any notes. I originally was...in a TXT file. Then I deleted it because I got bored of taking notes. Then I was like:
    [45 mins later, after a shower and a coffee]
    This chattery internal dialogue is the norm for me when I am trying to study. Arguably, it is one of the core reasons I find studying and doing work so damn unpleasant.
     
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    MBTI is myers briggs type indicator. You might have seen it once or twice before on psychology discussion boards. Scientifically, from what I understand, it is not valid. However, with the INT personality types you get a bunch of people who love thinking, are very introverted in real life, and typically have some interesting academic perspectives. I am highly introverted so those forums appealed to me directly.

    I did like the survival portion of the 12 Brain Rules as well. If I am recalling correctly that is the section where the author establish human dominance (and even discussed the critical role that communication/getting along plays in that reality).
     
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    To complicate the choices even more, I am a staunch advocate of OneNote over Evernote. The flexibility provided by my OneNote notebook is insane and just what my somewhat scattered mind needs for creative learning. I delete many of my notes as well and can easily scrap large amount of work for the fun of it. OneNote is the first application I used that really nailed the concept of a whiteboard. Sometimes a plain text editor is enough.

    Part of the reason we take notes is for the muscle memory of it. Once I know something, I have no problems deleting it permanently. I know I have linked it to something that just won't go away in my brain. I also use a reductionist approach from time to time where I consolidate notes as I learn more. In a sense that is logical. I work from the details right back to F = MA.
     
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    Too much flexibility can induce insanity too. Sometimes there do need to be boundaries to eliminate decision fatigue. For example, in Evernote, notebooks and tags have overlapping functions, and I keep switching between the two because of my bored ADHD-style disposition. Not to mention I forget which one I'm predominately using, so everything gets jumbled up and confused, etc.
     
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    OneNote has the same problem with tags. I stopped using tags for the same reason. The biggest OneNote benefit for tags is that you can instantly create a summary page of tags no matter where they are. That advantage didn't outweigh the negatives for me though. I want my note taking device to get out of my way (I like that i never need to save notes and that they are always backed up in the cloud). I never need to make decisions about how the notes should be structured. They are just there for me to read over strewn everywhere. I let me brain sort out what is important and create whatever structure it wants as long as it understands at the end of the day. I'll also go off on any tangent I want in a subject if I think it will lead to a powerful idea. Following a strict path has never been my way. It gets very boring to go from step 1-25 in the same order each time. I like mix it up and interleave making it tougher for my brain to grasp the material. But when it finally does understand, it really understands deeply. I am a slow learner, but I found out that if I give it time, it will typically get there (a la Maltz and the teleological servo-mechanism idea from back in the 60's or before)
     
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    Another reason I hate studying is it always feels like an intelligence test. In other words, my smarts are being tested by my ability to understand and internalise the information as accurately and comprehensively as possible. How can one take a load off and enjoy soaking up new information if they are constantly under pressure to perform?

    Furthermore, I just assume that what I'm reading has to be extremely obtuse and difficult to understand, and that I'm being "lazy" if I read it in a relaxed, carefree, curious way. If you expect that what you are reading is going to be arcane and capable of boring a rock to death, that's probably how it's going to turn out.

    Finally, I've always got to deal with the anxiety of possibly glossing over something in the paper that is really crucial — i.e. something that everyone else cannot fail to spot when they read it. Careless blunders of epic proportion comprise my life story. That's always in the back of my mind, setting the scene, and coloring my internal focus.
     
  18. Same here mate! Not finding the energy to do important stuff yet. I don't feel like studying which is most important. Second, I don't train for my goals. Third, I don't feel like going out and socializing. This makes me feel sick man!
     
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    It's good to know that there are others who procrastinate as intensely as I on this forum.

    I want to use this as an opportunity to do something about it. We can sit here and piss and moan until we are blue in the face, but I want to change. What do y'all think about the idea of an accountability group for procrastinators on NoFap?
     
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    Yeah, me too. I like to ruminate on new information, chew on it gradually, sometimes think out loud about it, try and frame it in new, bizarre and interesting ways, contemplate how other people would respond to the same content. Such an approach starkly contrasts with our present university system, which concerns itself with blitzing students with as many facts and theories that their brain can absorb within the allotted time that they are there, then testing them rigorously on how well they remember everything. That's great if you are entering the memory championships, but not so great if you want to investigate, philosophize or problem-solve in a way that commands respect.
    What's the "teleological servo-mechanism"?
     

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