(I think that) NoFap is bollocks

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Deleted Account, Dec 27, 2019.

  1. Then stop trolling us and leave us alone. You have shown 0 good intentions since the beginning. Just look at the name of your thread. Have a good day.
     
  2. I made it clear I am not a troll. What more do you want not to be so passive-aggressive?

    I see you have a journal.
    And victim mentality.
    I am afraid you are the only one responsible for your brain, emotions, and relationships with other people. Porn doesn't bang on your doors and ruin anything.

    At least you finally understood that random strangers aren't the answer to serious life problems and health professionals exist for a reason.
    That's a progress.
     
  3. fedmom

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    That's not going to help though because most of the time they don't consider porn addictions as a problem. I don't know much about the science but (in theory) a porn addiction goes away after 90 days of doing nofap as the delta-fosb makes it more addictive.
     
  4. My god you are the biggest troll I've ever seen whatevers wrong with you I'm deeply sorry for you
     
  5. CTRL + DEL

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    I don't understand why anyone is entertaining this idiot in the first place.

    @Optimum Fortitude we both know you have better things to do. He's not wasting your time; you're wasting it all by yourself.
     
  6. Beamer

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    Hello all,

    Kind request to keep the discussions civilized and to not turn your arguments into personal attacks. Stay on the subject please.
    It is ok to differ from opinion, that's fine, but don't engage into personal attacks.

    Thank you.

    -Beamer
    NoFap Moderation Team
     
  7. You know because you have tried.
    Right?
    How wonderfully convenient.
    Health professional with extensive training suck but no worries because NoFap is going to save your life.
    What the f.
    Now NoFap and Gary Wilson don't have to invest a cent in ads because you advertise the whole thing for free by yourselves.
     
  8. fedmom

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    I'm just saying the reason behind it. I did nofap and it didn't do anything for me personally. A doctor won't prescribe an ssri unless you have a life threatening fetish afaik.
     
  9. Who is more likely to help you overcome an addiction?
    A health professional, someone with potentially years of experience under their belt,
    Or,
    A random stranger on the internet?
    Take a wild guess.
     
  10. fedmom

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    Like I say they only give medication for things like asphyxiation. There's CBT but that isn't getting to the root cause of the addiction. Most psychiatrists are not specialists either.
     
  11. Medication is not the answer. That's not how you treat addictions.
    Educate yourself. It will do you good.
     
  12. fedmom

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    Ah okay it is a troll thread.
     
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  13. AtomicTango

    AtomicTango Fapstronaut

    When there hasnt been a debate on the forums about the validity of NoFap in 5 minutes.

    Random guy who made an account a day ago:

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  14. kropo82

    kropo82 Fapstronaut

    @JoshuaGraham I think you have misunderstood the nature of this site. We are not evangelists proselytising a new way of life, we are men (and women) struggling to overcome the damage porn has done in our lives. This is a self-help forum: we come here to ask for support, to offer advice based on what worked for us, to read about the techniques that have helped others, etc. This is a community. Like any broad community there will be people here you agree with and people you do not. Personally I find the folk here who believe that semen retention will give them physical and spiritual super-powers insane, but it is easy to ignore their threads and concentrate on the people here who make a real difference to my recovery. That is key: I had been failing to quit porn for six years when I found this site and now I am over three years clear. That is no coincidence, it is the people here who have helped me do this.

    I would like to take issue with one point you make ...
    Don't judge a book by its cover; Your Brain On Porn may not have slick design but it is a treasure trove of real peer reviewed science. If it is science that you are looking for, then a page like https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/relevant-research-and-articles-about-the-studies/ is a great starting point.

    I do not really understand your original post. Why do you think we should convince you? How will it help us? Your original post (especially before the edit) suggests to me that you have an exaggerated sense of entitlement: the world does not revolve around you, we are here to help each other, not to persuade you of anything. But let me give you the benefit of the doubt. If you are genuine then there are some questions you need to answer before we can help you:
    1. What role does porn play in your life?
    2. Do you want to stop using porn, and if so why?
    3. Has your porn use affected your integrity, relationships, or sexual health?
    4. If it is not about porn, then is your frequency of masturbation causing you concern?
    5. There are 1,000,001 self-help techniques with discussion forums on the internet, what made you interested in NoFap?
     
  15. StonePlacidity

    StonePlacidity Fapstronaut

    seriously if you have too much time and thinks nofap is BS then GO FAP! Don't create useless arguments like this ok? If you don't believe in it doesn't mean we don't believe in it. This is like telling a religions person to become atheist.
     
  16. I thought you hate statistics
     
  17. Saoconrado40

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    I couldn’t really care less what a coomer like you does or thinks

    Anyone who used to regularly jerk it to porn and then does nofap will know how much better they feel, mentally, physically and even spiritually

    porn is like a toxic waste dump

    This shit should be illegal.
    Most of the girls who act in it are mentally ill drug addicts

     
  18. Saoconrado40

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    Think about that next time you coom, the girl you are watching prob only filmed the scene because she was desperate to shoot up
     
  19. fredisthebes

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    Yes, that is the WHOLE POINT. NoFap is not a campaign organisation advocating censorship of internet P - even if some people here might personally support that. It's about recognising personal addiction, taking control of that and improving our lives. How can we persuade you of the merit of the movement, when you have missed the point so spectacularly?

    If you don't personally have a problem with P addiction, obviously you aren't going to recognise the problems that we are talking about. Do you understand that some people have problems that you don't have? Or that you don't have yet? I buy a raffle ticket once in a blue moon, but I understand that gambling addicts aren't able to do this. I have an alcoholic drink occasionally, but I recognise that alcoholics can't do that. Why is this so difficult to understand?
     
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    Brain Structure and Functional Connectivity Associated With Pornography Consumption

    Results
    We found a significant negative association between reported pornography hours per week and gray matter volume in the right caudate (P < .001, corrected for multiple comparisons) as well as with functional activity during a sexual cue–reactivity paradigm in the left putamen (P < .001). Functional connectivity of the right caudate to the left dorsolateral prefrontal cortex was negatively associated with hours of pornography consumption.

    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/1874574?=

    Can Pornography be Addictive? An fMRI Study of Men Seeking Treatment for Problematic Pornography Use


    Abstract
    Pornography consumption is highly prevalent, particularly among young adult males. For some individuals, problematic pornography use (PPU) is a reason for seeking treatment. Despite the pervasiveness of pornography, PPU appears under-investigated, including with respect to the underlying neural mechanisms. Using functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI), we examined ventral striatal responses to erotic and monetary stimuli, disentangling cue-related ‘wanting’ from reward-related ‘liking’ among 28 heterosexual males seeking treatment for PPU and 24 heterosexual males without PPU. Subjects engaged in an incentive delay task in the scanner, in which they received erotic or monetary rewards preceded by predictive cues. Blood-oxygen-level-dependent responses to erotic and monetary cues were analyzed and examined with respect to self-reported data on sexual activity collected over the 2 preceding months. Men with and without PPU differed in their striatal responses to cues predicting erotic pictures but not in their responses to erotic pictures. PPU subjects when compared with control subjects showed increased activation of ventral striatum specifically for cues predicting erotic pictures but not for cues predicting monetary gains. Relative sensitivity to cues predicting erotic pictures vs monetary gains was significantly related to the increased behavioral motivation to view erotic images (suggestive of higher ‘wanting’), severity of PPU, amount of pornography use per week, and number of weekly masturbations. Our findings suggest that, similar to what is observed in substance and gambling addictions, the neural and behavioral mechanisms associated with the anticipatory processing of cues specifically predicting erotic rewards relate importantly to clinically relevant features of PPU. These findings suggest that PPU may represent a behavioral addiction and that interventions helpful in targeting behavioral and substance addictions warrant consideration for adaptation and use in helping men with PPU.
    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5561346/

    Ventral striatum activity when watching preferred pornographic pictures is correlated with symptoms of Internet pornography addiction

    Abstract
    One type of Internet addiction is excessive pornography consumption, also referred to as cybersex or Internet pornography addiction. Neuroimaging studies found ventral striatum activity when participants watched explicit sexual stimuli compared to non-explicit sexual/erotic material. We now hypothesized that the ventral striatum should respond to preferred pornographic compared to non-preferred pornographic pictures and that the ventral striatum activity in this contrast should be correlated with subjective symptoms of Internet pornography addiction. We studied 19 heterosexual male participants with a picture paradigm including preferred and non-preferred pornographic materials. Subjects had to evaluate each picture with respect to arousal, unpleasantness, and closeness to ideal. Pictures from the preferred category were rated as more arousing, less unpleasant, and closer to ideal. Ventral striatum response was stronger for the preferred condition compared to non-preferred pictures. Ventral striatum activity in this contrast was correlated with the self-reported symptoms of Internet pornography addiction. The subjective symptom severity was also the only significant predictor in a regression analysis with ventral striatum response as dependent variable and subjective symptoms of Internet pornography addiction, general sexual excitability, hypersexual behavior, depression, interpersonal sensitivity, and sexual behavior in the last days as predictors. The results support the role for the ventral striatum in processing reward anticipation and gratification linked to subjectively preferred pornographic material. Mechanisms for reward anticipation in ventral striatum may contribute to a neural explanation of why individuals with certain preferences and sexual fantasies are at-risk for losing their control over Internet pornography consumption.
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1053811916000392?via=ihub

    Altered Appetitive Conditioning and Neural Connectivity in Subjects With Compulsive Sexual Behavior

    Results

    As a main result, we found increased amygdala activity during appetitive conditioning for the CS+ vs the CS- and decreased coupling between the ventral striatum and prefrontal cortex in the CSB vs control group.
    Conclusion
    The findings show that neural correlates of appetitive conditioning and neural connectivity are altered in patients with CSB. The increased amygdala activation might reflect facilitated conditioning processes in patients with CSB. In addition, the observed decreased coupling could be interpreted as a marker for impaired emotion regulation success in this group.
    https://www.jsm.jsexmed.org/article/S1743-6095(16)00111-9/fulltext

    … to name just a few peer-reviewed studies and comprehensive article on the subject https://www.inverse.com/article/31799-brain-on-porn-erotica-neuroscience
     
    Last edited: Dec 28, 2019

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