(I think that) NoFap is bollocks

Discussion in 'Porn Addiction' started by Deleted Account, Dec 27, 2019.

  1. Alright.
    So this was even worse than what I saw in the thread.
    So many biases, rhetorical questions, attempts to persuade, exaggarations...
    There is not a single solid piece of evidence as well.
    They are either inconclusive, small, biased, or their findings are misrepresented.
    They also appear to be unobjective as they ignore many important variables.
    Not to mention that most of them are actually interviews. So.
    Most of them did not claim the moral high ground, that's good.
    But Gary, or whoever wrote that thing, did claim it.
    I can hardly remember reading a more biased piece of writing in my entire life.

    There is so much wrong about it that I honestly can't be bothered explaining it.
    Besides, there were already many people evaluating NoFap out there. I don't think there's a need for me to repeat the same thing over and over again.

    TL DR: no hard evidence. Biased attitude. Poor overall quality.
     
  2. fedmom

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    And you said meds don't help with addiction lol.
     
  3. Rehab101

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    Just commenting...

    Yes google girl with bra are like 300 percent better than porn star. 90 percents of porn are trash.

    Accupuncture does have benefits. The actual session doesnt involve much human contact since they just stick the needles and let you rest for 30 min plus. Many cancer institute even have accupuncture doctor to help patient to reduce some pain and symptoms. ( I worked in a top cancer hospital). Just think for a moment about biology, blood contains many nutruient and the needles trigger some pressure points to induce blood flow.
    Also yes homeostasis only work to a certain degree. For example, a body can only break down alcohol so much. So for semen, there is also so much one can recover. You did hear story of some people go 10 time plus a day pmoing...that really shocked the body. Put the body out of whack...

    Keeping this short.
     
  4. FellatiousD

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    There doesn't need to be evidence because it's completely subjective. Also the word ''bollocks'' is not defined in your OP, so we don't really have much to argue against. I can state without proof that some people experience benefit from participating in NoFap that they otherwise would not have experienced. I can also say that some do not. Would you disagree? I think not. Therefore, NoFap is not bollocks? Not sure what else to say. This is kind of a cringey thread. Also, I don't care if you're convinced NoFap is bollocks or not, it doesn't matter.

    You pretend to respect logic and debate, but what your thread ultimately amounts to is something like ''80s music isn't cool, change my mind.'' Of course you won't have valid evidence on either side, because your terminology is bad, and it's subjective. Put this thread in Off-Topic because it's a waste of everyone's time.
     
  5. fedmom

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    Okay, what does acupuncture have to do with this? And funny you should bring it up because it's "benefts" are the same type of placebo effect that nofap gives. And sorry op I shouldn't have used the delta fosb argument. I was told this was the basis of why people do nofap but I later found out it relates to substance addiction which obviously has nothing to do with stopping masturbating lol.
     
  6. MuscularSherlockHolmes

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    Funny how people want science to justify them wanking their pecker 6 times per day to 100s of virtual women and men (and some other unmentionable stuff).

    Nofap may be all bullshit, but it's no more of a bullshit than the guys who seek to do the aforementioned things and think it's anything but degeneracy.

    Tl;dr of the story is that we all get to pick our poison. For some of us it may be not watching porn and enjoying the simple things in life, and for others it's doing PMO, camgirls and hookers.

    To each his own.
     
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  7. fedmom

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    And I'm not saying you should masturbate too much. I'm saying there's no science that says you can get rid of an actual porn addiction by stopping masturbating.
     
  8. MuscularSherlockHolmes

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    The only thing wrong in this world is to expect other people to live their lives, the way you want to live yours.

    Whether you are taking the view that all should watch porn and scrap nofap, or be a friggin monk and never touch your junk and never let anyone touch it.

    That's the only thing that's wrong. Anyone who does that is delusional.

    A lot of people (like me) find nofap amazing. Ain't nobody using big words and shiny theories gonna change anything for us.
     
  9. Arez01

    Arez01 Fapstronaut

    This guy has 8 pages of answers with arguments, personal experience, sources and he still chooses to be a sassy schmock not even hiding his disregard to everyone here. He could leave it at that, live his own life full of porn, believing that he is right and only he would be hurt. But what does he do? He spergs his contempt that: everyone here is wrong, every argument against him or porn is wrong, everyone lies, porn isn't that bad, "please give me sources I want, not sources I don't want", "why nobody agrees with me?". What is even the point? Should people that watch this thread agree with him, leave this forum, and go back to watching porn? Or does he wants to quit porn but unfortunately there aren't enough sciencists to convince him so he chooses to argue forever until he can feel comfortable watching it.

    To anyone here trying to convince him: Just stop. Unless you want to hit your head against the wall.
     
  10. No, unfortunately it does not. Unless placebo is a benefit.
    Science is the observation of nature and drawing logical conclusions from it.
    NoFap, as of 29th of April, have raised $122,838 that they are going to spend on shutting peoples' mouths instead of conducting real experiments and getting real results. Results that they could throw in the faces of WHO and once and for all prove that porn really is bad.
    NoFap is out there for a decade(?) Why haven't they done it already?
    It's almost as if they were not interested in that after all.
    It's almost as if their personal opinions, biases and retarded, outdated beliefs regarding sex were the real reasons for their activity.
    You know. The beliefs that are purely a cultural thing. The thing that was for men to brainwash women into thinking that the harder she is to get = the better person she is, so that she would be easier to control.
    So that she wouldn't f**k around - which is what by design every human is going to do - and, for example, so that her father, a poor merchant, could marry off his 13-year-old daughter to a 50-year-old well-off merchant in exchange for an alliance and she wouldn't complain.
    Or when Rothschilds wanted to keep their wealth within the family even at the expense of their own daughters' freedom who were often not really interested in their parents' favourite candidates, but listened to them anyway because "actually a lady is supposed to be hard to get, so if I am not hard to get then I am a degenerate piece of shit" or some other bollocks.
    Honestly there is no point in coming up with more because it was a thing that everyone practised for centuries. Literally everyone.
    It was - and is - a control thing. The belief sex is wrong and should only be reserved for conceiving children. That sex is not a human need and you should feel bad about yourself for having it.

    As for these days.
    I don't know why it is now that men are not supposed to like, want and lust over women?
    It's almost as if this generation of men was brought up solely by socially and culturally indoctrinated women...
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    https://forum.nofap.com/index.php?threads/ban-porn.275174/

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    Then why are you claiming there is any science to it?
     
  11. FellatiousD

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    When did I ever claim anything related to science? Your statement is vacuous. It has no meaning to anyone but you. But if it makes you feel special, then keep believing it. The fact that NoFap helps improve people's lives is easily verified.
     
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  12. @JoshuaGraham I think you're an intelligent guy and I'm sure you have some valid points there. But in my opinion you can't see the wood for the trees.

    Since there are already 8 pages of arguing I won't throw in much arguments or facts. Just the most important one: you come here, to a forum that is dedicated to recovery from porn addiction (which doesn't cost you or me a penny, by the way) and you just shit on ALL of it.
    Would you do the same with an AA group? Would you go there (assumed you have the guts) and say to them that their programm doesn't work, that what they say in their meetings does not make sense and that there's no problem with alcohol?
    This of course is not an AA group. I just hope this comparision can make you see what you're doing.

    Please take just a minute to think what the people here do - those who really have a reason to be here. Forget about Gary Wilson, testosterone and implausible success stories and just focus on the people of this community.

    If then you still don't understand, don't worry. Live your life, be happy that you don't have a problem with porn. Enjoy. Just don't judge other people.
     
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  13. This may not be 'hard evidence' but its a little bit of logic: do you think biologically, you where made to get that much dopamine that often?
    (I'm not talking about through masturbation but through porn)
     
  14. In my last post I didn't include this quote, but it was the reason why my reaction on OP turned out so agressively and I want react on it now:
    That is clearly defamation! The thought alone that NoFap would try to silence pro-porn voices is ridiculous. (That isn't even possible on this very homepage). It's the other way round. Alex and NoFap NEVER attacked the porn industry. They DON'T advocate a porn ban. Their mission is to help porn addicts and their loved ones.
    People that seem to be connected to the porn industry attacked Alex personally. Now he filed a lawsuit. THAT's why $122,838 has been raised.

    But I don't think it's of much use to argue with this user called JoshuaGraham. Look in his content! Not one post on recovery or porn addiction. I think he's just here to stir up trouble.
     
  15. MuscularSherlockHolmes

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    Big pile of nothing! That's what your words mean to me. It's the internet brother. If you are so hell bent on changing something, you are doing it on the wrong level.
     
  16. MuscularSherlockHolmes

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    Oh you mean being an uncontrollable asshole means being a man? What a glorious concept.
     
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    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16095799

    After masturbation your hormones are not in balance as they are after sex. This is a simple fact. This is the purpose of Nofap. Stop masturbating. As for porn, much of it goes against common moral standards of decency. There’s no science behind that, anymore than there is behind common state laws prohibiting theft and rape and display of obscene material. Right and wrong are a brand. Stand for right and be known as a decent and honest person.
     
  18. Well said.

    Actually it's not.

    Look it up at https://nofap.com/about/
    Quote:

    "NoFap® is a comprehensive community-based porn recovery website."

    "NoFap is not an anti-masturbation website.
    A clear majority of NoFap’s users and administrators alike agree that there’s nothing inherently wrong with masturbation. A small number of users may believe otherwise, perhaps due to their moral principles, but find NoFap’s broad-minded approach works better for them than the moralistic focus of “chastity” websites that dot the Internet. NoFap does not encourage lifelong abstinence from masturbation or sexual behavior. Rather, we encourage our users to abstain for a period of time for the duration of their reboots—typically around ninety days. While some abstain for longer periods of time—even for life—most of our users then return to masturbation having freed themselves of the need to use pornography. Our users choose what is healthiest for them and best serves their goals."
     
  19. Zfighter2020

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    Nevermind others personal feelings. JoshuaGraham has a point. Most of you are just giving anecdotal evidence, which is unreliable.
     
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  20. Zfighter2020

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    you were making a good case right up
    To the point where you got to this part. That story is completely irrelevant to your argument. In fact it sounds wacky.
     
  21. Try to prove that the World is round. It isn't so easy when you talk to a flat-earther.
    But who's the flat-eather? He or the majority here?

    I fear that JoshuaGraham debates better than most of his adversaries.
    And I agree, he has a point here and there.

    That doesn't change that he's a troll. A super-troll in fact. I can't prove it though, I have only anecdotal evidence: first (I didn't read so carefully) he made me overreact and emotionally, then (I read again) he caught my interest more and more and even won my approval.
    But he's still on the wrong. I grant him that he's a good provocateur and that he gave me a new unconventional look on certain things.
    I was trolled. But at least I learned something.

    Sure, we can go to the mall and talk about how the mall sucks. How consume-orientated it is and how it manipulates us into buying things. Even if it is our favorite mall, the best mall that we could find.
    But let's not forget we need apple juice. If we get it from the mall or from somewhere else, apple juice is what we need. Why apple juice? Because we need to quench the fire that burns in our garage. Instead of smoke this fire produces shame. So much of it that we even feel a little embarassed when we go to the mall to buy apple juice to quench the fire in our garage that produces shame instead of smoke.
    The only ones who are at the mall but need no apple juice are people like Joshua. They just decided to hang out at the mall for whatever reason and talk to people about the mall and about apple juice and fire. Without needing apple juice, without fire in the garage, without shame.
    Sure we can critisize and mock the mall or the people there. Or we could have a chat about other malls ... Whatever!! I have to go now! Need to get me some apple juice.
     

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