I'm really sick of being told I'm responsible for slavery because I'm white

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  1. uyrihcinetin

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    I'm not interested with human zoology. I may resemble someone who is white. But "whiteness" in itself is a concept of British colonialism, something I have nothing to do with. I would rather associate with people based on my ideas and my art rather than by how closely I resemble them, or by how closely I am genetically related to them. Now, if someone else wants to call me something, they can call me anything they want, because that is their business. But I wouldn't let it affect me emotionally. If I don't view things with racial prejudices, then how could I ever take an accusation of racism seriously? The past is the past, it has nothing to do with me.
     
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  2. need4realchg

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    Bingo. Well said.

    I’d only point out — it’s not british colonialism ... its colonialism. Dutch, Portuguese, British , French, Belgian,Spainish, all forms of it stem from a belief that certain races are stronger than others; which was purported at one point to be supported by Darwin’s (at the time) revolutionary, nouveau theory of the dawn of species— evolution.

    The same theory that brought us evolution, was originally justifying the colonizers and deBoers etc to subjugate people and carry out horrendous experiments in the Congo and South Africa to measure the cranial capacity of a negroid brain with the scientific objective of explaining the caucasian’s superiority. As has been said previously in this thread, the nazis in their search for dominance looked high and low for genotypes and markers that could prove true the innate feelings that people displayed.

    Today it’s no different, although I’d argue it’s less about race and more about nationality (globally speaking). The stress fractures of various 1st world countries (USA, Belgium, France, England, Russia, Italy, Spain) etc around immigration have race, religion and economics as their underpinnings.

    The funny part is the EU has long sought to be the European answer to american exceptionalism, they said it would encourage the” free transfer of goods, capital and people.”

    However that fails miserably as they only wish to move capital and goods — not the people who are employed to make that happen. The restrictions to the Balkan states, the Arabs , the Africans and anyone else considered lower down the racial spectrum to enter the EU, are turned deaf ears when they ask for an intellectual conversation on openness.

    Please don’t misunderstand, I’m not an open borders guy —- I’m simply pointing out it’s a glaring hypocrisy in Europe that tries to go shoulder to shoulder with the ideals that we (USA) founded the country upon.

    It’s all based on a false science of human categorization.

    I like your phrasing : human zoology.

    Today that same pseudoscience is used to declare all sexuality equal too—- the “i was born this way” is repeated over and over again—-despite the obvious reproductive limitations of some sexual permutations.

    But yeah, I disagree with the whole concept of race. I work tirelessly to confuse the hell out of anyone who thinks it’s a way to describe or understand someone.
     
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  3. ShadyPerson

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    I agree with you on a basic level, but I just wonder when will people stop using Reductio ad Hitlerum as a serious argument.
     
  4. Angus McGyver

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    You are not alone mate!
    I am Swedish and we get fed tons of PC-bullcrap of how bad and boring we are, how racist we are, how privileged we are, (despite having had our ancestors working themselves to death at an early age in order to provide something better for future generations of Swedes), how our country isn't ours, how we should feel guilty for being white and European, etc, etc.
    Just keep in mind that the people who are preaching such baloney are usually very small people indeed. They are often envious, jealous, have inferiority complexes, and have lots of issues in their lives (especially mental ones) that they never resolve but decide to take out on a common enemy in order to feel better about themselves. Because the alternative (to admit your failures and raise yourself up instead) is too demanding and tough for these weak-minded individuals, hence it is easier to just follow the current and punch down instead.
     
  5. FellatiousD

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    My comparison to Nazis is extremely relevant, I'm not sure why you have a problem with it.
     
  6. ShadyPerson

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    Is it really though? The way I see it is that you were arguing that punishing someone because of their family is bad because nazis did it. Now as I said I do agree that punishing slmeone because of their family is bad. But is something really bad just because nazis did it? When I was a child I heard someone say online that education is something nazis did and therefore education is bad. As a stupid kid who hated school I agreed, yet later on realized that the aforementioned argument wasn't quite as solid as I had thought. In fact thinking that something is bad because someone bad did it and thinking that someone is bad because they are related to someone bad are actually pretty similar ways of thinking.

    But if I misunderstood why you decided to bring nazis to the conversation, you are free to correct me and explain why it was so relevant.
     
  7. MLMVSS

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    Stuff isn’t bad because the Nazis did it. The Nazis are bad because they did bad stuff. Also, the same family-killing they did are still being done today in North Korea to families of defectors. So, it relates.
     
  8. FellatiousD

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    You're telling me I'm making a correlation fallacy, but I'm not making a correlation fallacy, YOU ARE! I don't even want to have this argument, it's so pointless but you seem like you're out for blood, so idk what to say.
     
  9. ShadyPerson

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    I guess the nazi card is not that far from correllation fallacy either? But it's mainly a guilt by association -thing. You can read more about it here:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_Hitlerum

    But hey, tell me how I'm making a correllation fallacy. I'm really not out for blood and I think I have been rather polite about this. I can't force you to argue with me about this, but you can't expect me to change my mind without proving me wrong either.
     
  10. ShadyPerson

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    Excatly, nazis did bad stuff and were bad because of that, but that alone isn't a valid reason to assume everything nazis did was wrong. The nazi card is a very well known fallacy and annoyingly common even in otherwise sensible discussion.
    Even if we were talking about North Korea here, the comparison to nazis would work merely as a rhetoric trick, not as an actual argument. But nevermind that, for I don't even see how North Korea relates to the discussion at hand.
     
  11. FellatiousD

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    You've already ruined this thread. This is what you're doing: You hurl bad arguments at people and then you tell them to jump through hoops to prove you wrong. It's not my concern to explain why everything that isn't correct isn't correct. If I did that, then I wouldn't have much time in my life for other things. You have to prove why you're correct.
     
  12. ShadyPerson

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    Eh? Someone disagreed with you on something and now the whole thread is ruined? Look, my arguments are in my previous comments. If you can't prove them wrong, you have lost the debate. You can't just expect me to keep coming up with new arguments when you haven't been able to go against any of the arguments I already made. If my arguments are so bad, how comes you don't seem to have a clue how to actually adress them? And sure, you can always just claim that you're too busy to argue online, that's fair enough, but don't expect others to just blindly believe things you say if you can't back them up with solid arguments.
     
  13. Purity Power

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    Pimps who are black like to say they're just "taking advantage of a sub-culture created and caused by you white people in the first place, so don't judge me as I'm perverting, stealing and murdering people please". Sooo white who nowadays aren't the architects of your harmful environment are responsible if you decide to kill someone or promote sex and human trafficking in that so called "sub-culture" ? Sick. Take charge. Pedophiles as well, they deserve legal retribution as justice demands, and it has nothing to do with skin color. It's morality.

    They should blame Ham, or just Adam, or just their own sinful current state.

    And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard: And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without. And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father's nakedness. And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren. And he said, Blessed be the Lord God of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. God shall enlarge Japheth, and he shall dwell in the tents of Shem; and Canaan shall be his servant. -Genesis 20-27

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    Now call me "racist" haha
     
  14. ShadyPerson

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  15. Purity Power

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    Facts remain.

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    Black ghettos have raised and promotted a "pimp culture" abusing, perverting and exploiting women, human trafficking, which is only psychopathic culture (from the words of Terry Cruise, a black comedian who struggled with porn as well) and you can find many black pimps doing videos and calls on YouTube giving "advice" running their mouth to rationalize and pacify their criminal activity, just sick and twisted, they call it "game". And look at the rap, r&b industry with 95% of black people, look at the lyrics, the clips: debauchery, bestiality, meant to look good and cool for kids in middleschool so they can become drug dealers, weed smokers and killers, all messed up in the head yeah. Slavery is NOT my fault !!! Are you a slave right now btw ? You're free to live as you want, black, hispanic, asian, arab, indian, caucasian, or whatever. Move on.
     
  16. BraveBear

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    Up until basically 20, mayyyybe 30 years ago, human progress toward unity, acceptance, tolerance, and brotherly love was driven by the ideal of seeing everyone as an individual. Everyone has a unique story and we do BEST when we strive (not always perfectly, but still in earnest) to judge people by the content of their character...not the color of their skin.

    The ideas of intersectionality, identity politics, cultural marxism, and the strategy of no longer seeking to create mobility up the socioeconomic pyramid, but instead to simply INVERT IT are cancerous, misguided, shortsighted, and incredibly destructive.

    We used to have a word for assigning group responsibility as well as group victimhood...PREJUDICE.

    It's why I left the Left. Their well meaning desire of a classless society has been infected with the gangrene of barefaced judgement of everyone based solely on the characteristics associated with their group identity, not life actual social or economic circumstances.

    So, no, I am not responsible for the "sins" of long-dead people with a similar amount of melanin in their skin as mine, and I'm not obliged to atone for their actions. That's kindergarten sandbox logic.
     
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  17. ShadyPerson

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    To that I don't have anything to say. I don't care what colour the first slave owners were, nor do I think anyone - aside from people supporting slavery - today is responsible for slavery.
     
  18. brilliantidiot

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    You nailed that. Ever heard of a book called the demon in democracy? It basically elaborates on what you are saying. Its a tough read for a non-academic like myself but its well worth the time.
     

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