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Discussion in 'Off-topic Discussion' started by recoome, Nov 18, 2015.
What he said!! ^
Alright I'm sorry but I am tired of this "objectification movement" here on nofap. People, Humans have been objectifying other humans way before internet porn. Women objectify men just as much as men objectify women. There is nothing wrong with simply wanting to have sex with a girl and not be in a relationship.
And no its not the same as MO. Masturbating is no where near the same as real sex with a real women. Why do people bother having casual sex if MO is the same? Its because its not the same, people like to have sex, people don't always want strings attached, people don't always want to have a kid, people are hedonist, hands down, end of story, the end.
@Leanne I been with a bunch of women here. Toronto must be the worst city in the world for finding a family type woman. I promised myself not to get involved till I move from this place.
Never raise kids here. like 97.5% female players... Many women with a boyfriend and cheating... very common. Basically a total waste of time anything serious... It;s quite possible to be tricked into being a dad too. Very nasty place.
I am lucky.. some of my friends have kids. And they are royally screwed. Just two of my good friend got married and have a family together. They are Russian, traditional style... and moved out 2 the suburbs.
Finally someone who understands what I'm saying and lives in the real world.
Yea, if you think its bad in Toronto, wait til you get to the USA. Now I'm not tryna be sexist, but I gave up a long time ago on trying to have a GF/wife. Lol fuck that. I'm happy just having FWB, casual sex, thb its all i really want i dont wanna have a relationship or a child lol
Lmaoo, stop this. Maybe, Toronto needs more family type men
Gotcha! Sorry,I misunderstood you! Now I understand. Hope you're able to find a place you love.
@Lazarus Shuttlesworth There is no maybe. Men in my estimation are 3/4x more interested in pursuit of a family, along with goals than woman. That's how it is here. Gender role reversal in vitro..
I am in my early 40s and have only had one sexual partner. I met my wife at 18.
From puberty to 18, I was impatient with respect to losing my virginity. Everybody at school and my brothers were getting laid. I had no social skills with women. I turned to PMOing.
I had been PMOing before I met my wife and continue to PMO up to this week.
I have been on a porn binge recently. I felt that the only way out of my rut was to arrange to meet an escort to find out what sex would be like with someone else. This would be a one time thing. I did a lot of research to make sure that I would encounter a professional, find out what acts she would perform, and not get arrested.
Spoiler: Explicit Details of the Encounter - Do not Read if susceptible to Triggers
I saw her at her hotel room. She was gorgeous. She smelled great and had really soft skin. She had on only bra and panty matching lace set on. She first had me shower and use mouthwash. She then kissed me and we made out with tongues. She laid me on the bed. She took off her top revealing her c-cup enhanced breasts. She gave a blow job no condom. She took of her panties and she slipped a condom on and did cowgirl and we did doggie. She let me go down on her. She 69ed me spitting, soaking me with her spit. She hand-jobbed me to cum. We spoke for awhile then she made me orgasm with her mouth and hand again. I even gave her a good review on the agency's website.
Although it has been a matter of a few days since the encounter, I now only have the desire to make love to my wife (which I have done once since the encounter). I have also not viewed porn or masturbated since. I want the escort encounter to be a one time thing. I now know what it is like to have sex with two different women.
Porn has been all fantasy to me. Now that I achieved the fantasy as a reality, I no longer need porn.
Although this sounds quite oxymoronic - I am hopeful that the prostitute helped me kick my porn addiction.
I almost don't even know how to reply to something like this because your mental outlook on sex is so limited and native.
There is nothing wrong with sleeping with a professional sex worker provided they are doing it out of their own free will, and for many, it's the best way to have sex (and learn about it) either in a temporary situation, or long term.
Not everybody is looking to have sex in a more deeper and meaningful way. Sometimes you just need to have sex for the sake of it to get the lust, and deep animalistic desires out of your system, and that's exactly what sex workers are there for.
You mentioned that a man should work to "improve himself" and put himself in more areas where women are, but that doesn't work or help a man get laid. I know guys who are in great shape with good jobs and everything and even they have trouble with women. You want to know who is getting laid? All the ignorant bad boys, drug addicts and alcoholics who have an endless supply of women who always side and hang around them because they find that type more attractive and entertaining.
And in regards to paying for sex... All males pay for sex in some way shape or form. Males either pay directly or indirectly for sex.. It's a barter system. Men exchange money, gifts, protection, share his status, or something of value to the female in exchange for her time and physical affection.
As a matter of fact, most high powered wealthy/famous businessmen patronize sex workers because they don't have to waste time trying to wine and dine a woman just for sex. They also use sex workers because sex workers are more honest and less likely to intentionally get themselves pregnant. Something to think about.... If a extraordinarily famous and rich man can pay for sex, why can't you?
Same here, if I ever have a son, I'm talking him to Bangkok Thailand, or other places I have been, to show him that sex is no big deal so as long as he uses protection.
B****s***. You don't wait for anyone because nobody is coming!
We are all on our own in this world. Everybody is looking to better themselves. Nobody is out here searching for you looking to help you, let alone help you get laid.
People like you have watched too many movies and think a movie applies to real life. Get real.
You want to get laid you have two choices:
1. Pay a sex worker.
2. Beg random strangers to sleep with you which is the process known as "dating".
Come on mate you know this isn't true just because maybe you haven't found the right person or had a particularly nice life doesn't mean the world and everyone is out for them selves because that's unrealistic and not a good mind state .
Just a week ago, I would have said that you were dead wrong. Today, I think that you are 100% correct.
Read my last post in this thread.
Porn to me has been about fantasizing. I have been betraying my wife throughout our marriage by watching fictional sex.
I have been in a terrible porn binge rut that I could not shake. I figured that if I had an encounter with a professional escort, I would realize my fantasy and would no longer need porn.
Yes, I have betrayed my wife by fucking a prostitute (I prefer the term "being the client of an escort"). However, the alternative is to continue to betray my wife day after day continuously watching porn until I am discovered and she leaves me with our children.
I will no longer betray my wife. I know its only been a few days so only time will tell if my plan worked.
If you read the spoiler in my last post it is self-evident that continuous porn use is far worse than fucking a prostitute.
I have done both. Self pleasure is no comparison to real sex.
The body/mind can tell the difference and it's self evident afterwards because sex with a real person makes you feel relaxed, relieved, and fully depleted even sometimes 2-3 days later if the sex was really good and mind blowing.
I don't even have any memories of my years of self pleasure, but I have many memories of mind blowing sex with beautiful women because the moment was so good and the orgasim was so moving the moment was permanently etched in my memory.
Around the world most sex workers are in it for the money. They are able to make more money as sex workers then doing anything else. And here in the United States, top sex workers can earn millions.
So tired of closed minded people who label all sex workers as "victims" who are only in it because they were trafficked into it because that isn't true.
You think sex work is degrading, but myself, and sex workers, view working at Starbucks or some other company for 10 bucks an hour a much worse situation. Working for subsistence wages is modern day slavery.
Take a look around, everybody is being exploited in some way, shape, or form and the way things are now it's hard to not participate in the exploitation of others.
Case in point, everything is made in China, India, or some 3rd world country now (often with child slave labor). You think all the goods being made those workers are being paid fair wages??? I bet you don't even care about that, but you're going to tell us all about human trafficking so you can feel morally superior to people who patronize sex workers.
How did you wife react when you told her that you slept with the prostitute?
You don't even need to think about this. If you only sleep with prostitutes there is almost no chance of you having a son.
How do you friends and family react when you tell them you sleep with prostitutes? As you say there is nothing wrong with it (frequenting escorts) the topic must have come up several times.
I get your point.
However, my point is that my wife's reaction to my encounter with an escort would be no different than her learning that I have been a compulsive porn user throughout our relationship.
I have convinced myself that a single encounter with an escort will end over two decades of compulsive porn use. After my fantasy became a reality, I have no need to fantasize anymore. Porn is therefore useless.
One night with an escort while I am supposed to be at a hotel is not inherently dangerous to the relationship. Using porn at home consistently while my wife is present in the home is a recipe for an upcoming disaster.
@Golgo 13 pointed out that prostitutes are better than porn. He is 100% correct.
It was not an easy choice for me. I am not bragging about the encounter. I am in fact using this forum to confess.
If the escort helped me kick my porn habit to the curb, then I have no regrets.
I don't think It was anyone's intention to insult or offent "sex workers". They're just trying to say that even if they are doing it for the money, prostitution is still wrong and it's a type of human slavery. Even if the reason for doing it is to get money, human slavery is unethical. However, people have the right to do whatever they want. I'm just stating what I think about it because money doesn't justify that prostitution is wrong. It doesn't matter if prostitution is better than porn. They both consist of objectifying woman. It's true that the objectification of women and men have existed in this world since a long time ago and it's true that the majority of men objectify women but that doesn't mean it's right. Women and men are human beings and objectification is thenreason of why porn exists in the first place. Perhaps this doesn't matter to you, perhaps you don't care if you are objectifying women, perhaps you don't care about it because you think having sex with a prostitute won't be as bad as watching porn, maybe you're thinking: "If the woman os willing to have sex with me for money why shouldn't I?", maybe you're thinking: "It's ok to have sex with a prostitite, I'm not forcing her to do it, it's her choice, I'm paying her, she gets money and I get sex. We are both getting what we want." If you want to think like this then fine but keep in mind that none of these thoughts make prostitutuon right, because like I said, it's a type of human slavery. Women aren't here to pleasure men, men aren't here to pleasure women and sex isn't something to be abused of. If you want to support prostitution then go ahead but don't make it sound like it's right just because it's a way for you to get "easy sex". I'm aware that most men are willing to ignore what's right and are willing objectify women just so they fan get a little pleasure. Like it or not this is selfish and perhaps you don't care of it's wrong or if it's right but don't think you're so superior to those who are willing to sacrifice their pleasures and temptations to treat a women how they deserve to be treated and to do the right thing. I'm glad that there are still men and women that are willing to defend their thoughts and ideals without being afraid of doing so and abstain from joining the majority of people that selfishly choose pleasure over doing the right thing. A lot of people here would rather ignore what's right just for sex, but I'm proud to see that there are still people that choose to do the right thing. I'm not judging you for thinking the way you do. Everyone here can think and do whatever they want becauee we're all the same: human beings; we've all done bad things, and I'm not saying that you or any "sex workers" are inferior to me or to anyone here. Nobody's making a statement to feel superior or to feel like victims. But keep in mind that human traficking and sexual objectification is wrong no matter how you look at it.