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Impact of the environment on your reboot

Discussion in 'Rebooting - Porn Addiction Recovery' started by Haddock, Aug 29, 2019.

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Do you think a safe environment can make you reboot faster ?

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  1. Haddock

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    Hi guys,

    I recently was on holiday at the countryside. I realized when I came back to the city that there were a lot of women, let's say, hot dressed women. Although I did reset my counter during those holidays, the temptation to look at women as objects (which leads to watch P eventually...) is much stronger when back to the city since there are more women ! I also think that there is a desensitization effect. Basically, I was not used to see hot women everytime I got out of my home ! So I wonder if a reboot could be much easier in a very safe environment. For instance, in a school with uniform, at the countryside, with no internet (or only access to nofap.com :D).

    I know that I have to learn to resist. Fine. But rebooting is about biological transformations into the brain caused by the end of specific stimulations related to P right ? So what do you thing ? Have you noticed some kind of desensitization when moving to a safe environment to another with more hot women ? Is it worth movins in a safe place (describe such a place ;)) to reboot faster and easier ?
     
  2. Astro77

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    I think wherever you go you are going to find temptation, it is impossible to block all temptation. But it is definently worth blocking all temptations in a place you are likely to masturbate. Do whatever you can to make it easier on yourself when you are likely to masturbate.
    Good luck!
     
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  3. If you're religious, you might say that god is testing you. Like Jesus who was sent to the desert for 40 days and tempted by the devil. It is unrealistic to think that the temptation will fade, we are men. The challenge is not to make the temptation go away way, the challenge is to be disciplined.
    Which is why I think that the Christian principles are the hardest: You are allowed to drink and smoke. But of course you are not allowed to get addicted. This balance you're supposed to keep, means you negotiate with yourself. And when we go inside ourselves, we listen to our instincts, we know when it gets too much. It is easier to simply never drink, than to keep that balance.

    However, the more I think about it, the more I question what happened in the 60s to our societies, at least partially. Nowadays, some women dress in a way like... I mean, what is the purpose of that? It is very nice to watch and appealing and hot, on the other side, I would not want my wife to dress like that, when she goes in a public place.
     
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  4. Batty Belfry

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    @Vendettana touches on a life in balance, what I would call strength under control. Once you make yourself aware of your inclinations or desires, the better you become at controlling them. Rather than giving into urges and turning them into actions that cycle between regret and reward for you, the desire can be met in more healthy and honest ways. @Astro77 made a point to avoid the place you are going to give in to those temptations. In addition, I would not deny our sexual nature completely. I would nurture and replace those bad sexual habits with analogous desires that are good habits, that emphasize your sexuality. Doing so will make you a more all-around human being and not just a singular, repetitious indulgence. Practice these analogous, good habits in your challenging environments; you can overcome the temptations by acknowledging it and then replacing it with dedications. Of course, spending time in a new environment routinely or establishing a new place of origin indefinitely are two different extremes worth exploring, if not settling on.

    Best to you and your adjustments, @Haddock
     
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  5. Environment should be 50% of your plans when rebooting.

    Take responsibility for your eyes of course but also your heart.
     
  6. Haddock

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    Not all temptations of course. But if you see a hot woman, then it's too late you've seen her and even if you tried not to have P thoughts about her, maybe it makes your brain reboot more slowly. This is my point. But you're right that at some point we must adapt to our environment full of temptations.

    I am. However, although God tested Job for instance (by allowing the devil to tempt him), this does not mean that every temptation comes indirectly from God. For instance, when you choose to have bad thoughts (because you like it), then it's your own fault.

    I agree. Once you're rebooted then yes this is the challenge. However I think you could reboot faster by not seeing hot woman. Maybe for your brain its like a bit of P. Even in a very safe environment, you have your thoughts to deal with. Then, once you're better, learn to control your impulses despite the external world.

    I totally agree ;)

    Yes that's for sure. To me it is clear the our societies are sick. This is why I would like to escape from it during my reboot. Your question "what happened" is more than interesting because of course something happened. However, I don't think we can really change it even if we understand what happened...
     
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  7. It looks like you have really high standards on yourself, this is surely good. Since I started NoFap, I have become really horny and when I see a hot woman in the street that is just the way I like it, and I haven't seen my wife for more than two months now... I get really horny. I know it is bad to surrender to that, and so do you.
    But let's not ask for a safe space like those whiners. We can do it despite the temptations.

    The 60s were good because they ended segregation. I don't see anything else that was good.
     
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  8. So true. It makes me think of Jordan Peterson who once talked about the affairs of Tiger Woods and Arnold Schwarzenegger. In resume he said that a man should behave in a manner to have the choice among as many females as possible. And then he should pick one and stick to her. It's the highest sacrifice.
     
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  9. Haddock

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    What do you mean exactly by "good habits" ? The concept of "nature" is a bit vague. For instance, I could argue that the nature commands male to mate with as many females as possible. But this is not "good"...

    Can you be more explicit about the responsibility of heart ?

    I'm sure (and I hope !) we can ! But my point is can we reboot faster by avoiding the temptations of this post 60s world ?

    You're basically describing wedding :).
     
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  10. Discouraged

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    every little thing you have to do besides jerk off matters. it all adds up.

    i lost my house and everything there was to do in the house, it was a killer.

    i vastly underesetimated how powerful the addiction is, it GETS WORSE as you get older. it gets CRAZIER.

    i always thought when you get older, and the desire would go away, but you are forever trying to achieve that high even when the body can't take it anymore, my god, this sex addiction is unbelievably destructive, ruins your whole life.

    now i know why all successful cultures are so anti sex, Muslims say not wearing a veil is women inviting me to have sex.

    I guess in Israel if a woman lives alone for any period of time she's considered a "whore", they women will live with their parents til they are married , no matter how long it takes.

    if i could do it all over again though, i don't know what i would do different, because I've tried EVERYTHING, i've tried running MARATHONS everyday. getting rid of internet works, but then I needed money so badly and using my phone was only way i could make money, couldn't find another job and I needed money badly, it was all fucked up situation.

    i absolutely CANNOT STAND how this addiction ruined my life, messing around with fire,

    i don't get it when i was younger i could go a few weeks, it was hard but it wasn't so goddamn impossible, i guess because I had physical job. having a non physical job, the blood sugar is high all the time , it ruins your brain
     
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    yes, that is how i got sooooo addicted.

    one girl after another. the thrill wears out on one girl after awhile.. but if you keep getting NEW girls, it's like starting al over again, you get aroused powerfully by new girls, and this makes the addiction HORRIBLE, the more you get aroused, the greater the addiction.

    indulging every erotic fantasy is NUTS. i had such delusions, like God was teaching me something about life, i thought well you know, you should experience all those things, to see what they are like, oh my GOD is that WRONG WRONG WRONG!!! SHIT SHIT SHIT!!

    i thought it was like good karma with girls, to give them orgasms, i mean, in a way it is. they are drawn to the eroticism too, just like you are.

    God,just how does this ever stop, i fasted but really only a LONG fast works, the short fasts don't really do shit,only make it worse it seems.

    I did manage to fast 7 days and I felt the energy manifest in positive ways, i mean i was clear headed enough to actually do things with the energy, it lasted for several months , quite a long time, and ever since then i've been trying to fast again but it's like I can't do it, if I go out and try to fast, the goddamn DEVIL is on my back ike a goddamn swarm of black flies,
    the black magic they are doing on me is fucking ridiculous, i can't believe it's real.

    they REALLY do not want us to get better, they do not want us to help humanity, all humanity is possessed by Satan.

    i don't really know how they manage to control and not get addicted themselves, they got their shit together, maybe it's all for the best, but I just wish I knew what was going on, why they don't want me to get better, they keep the trauma going , keep me traumatized, keep me masturbating, keep me smoking, etc.
     
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  12. You need to take responsibility for what you WANT. What you fantasize about. Don’t blame your eyes for doing what your heart actually wants to see.

    @Discouraged your story hit a point with me. I want to read more. Do you have or plan to have a journal ?
     
  13. You can do it. For the sugar, reduce the carbs in your diet and eat more fat (less rice, noodles, white bread, soft drinks, sugar, more nuts, meat, beans, oils, raw cheese).
    It is hard, harder than you thought, but you are even tougher than that.

    Muslims are on the rise because they still respect their traditions. In the West everything has become decadent. Most of my christian friends spit on their religion and make dumb jokes about the bible. The sex scandals of weak priests and the corrupt church, do the rest.
    But historically speaking: the most successful cultures are monogamous and have strong families. The West once was just like that.
     
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  14. Haddock

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    Most of the people that are supposed to be Christian don't really know their religion. And it is true that Muslims still respect their tradition, more than Christians. Hopefully it prevents them from all that. For the Catholics, luxury is a deadly sin (and P is 100% luxury). This is something that remove God's grace from you. You can always be forgiven if you sincerely ask for but it's much better not to sin. Unfortunately, nowadays it is almost never explained. We don't tell to people what is good and what is wrong. So why not PMO since it feels good and everybody does it ? Even worse, we promote this king of degenerated behaviors.

    @Discouraged don't be so desperate. You are at the right place. Start a journal (I should do it also...), take a small chalenge, like 15 or 30 days, take drastic resolutions like cutting internet as you said. But do not give up my friend.
     
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  15. Batty Belfry

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    At our basic nature, we are to procreate, which you point out @Haddock and which I agree is a limiting definition of good. I am referring to a universal good, one of sexual ethics, that improves and adapts masculinity and sexuality through good, analogous habits, replacing this general, basic bad habit (to strictly procreate) in our nature. I am talking about life choices, career, recreational, personal, that show one's masculinity and sexuality heightened and valued far more than procreation dictates. Life's potential is far more important than solely just sex that allows it.
     

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